This guy is dead wrong. They will be semi recovered by summer and the remaining channels likely Q3.
Basically - 1 GPU per customer at stores including Microcenter in June with stock on shelf and around q3 they should be flooded.
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This guy is dead wrong. They will be semi recovered by summer and the remaining channels likely Q3.
Basically - 1 GPU per customer at stores including Microcenter in June with stock on shelf and around q3 they should be flooded.
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My bigger worry is a 5090 Ti coming out around December / Jan timeframe. Means if I get a card in Q2 I would keep it for less amount of time. Jensen mentioned an annual refresh cycle in one of his comments so not sure what that means for consumer products.
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Unlikely, and even if it did, your card doesn't get slower just because the ti is out there. You could simply skip it.
It's a shit design but you won't get burned if you know about the problem and take proper precautions. It'll be ok if you don't use sketchy cables and make sure everything is plugged in properly.
I think most would like to just pop something into the microwave, not learn how to carve a fugu.
Naah. I feel like a 5080 Ti is more likely. These will be the failed 5090's that couldn't quite make spec. Also I'd expect the VRAM and bus to be downgraded to 24GB. Only question is pricing, but most likely $1200.
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I mean Nvidia didn’t need a 4090 Ti as it was so far ahead of next class card. Here the 5090 is not as ahead (like the 3090) so might make sense to extract some more power. Plus we know the die size is higher than what is in the 5090.
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I don't see that nvidia has any room to make such a card. The 5090 is already hopelessly underpowered as it's stuck at the limit of the 600w 12VHPWR spec when it really needs 720w. Adding more cores would only mean running them even slower and possibly the ram slower too. You'd barely see a performance gain as you're already stuck at the power limit just as much as before. Only if nvidia created a new 800w+ power spec or were willing to double up 12VHPWR connectors would we see a 5090ti.
It'll basically be a 4090 Super. Nvidia killing off the 4090 was/is the real proof to me that a 5080ti is inevitable, it's just a matter of when.
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Of course they have room to make that card both in terms of price and performance. There's a $1000 difference between the two cards and the 5080 has ~half the Cuda cores. They could easily make a $1500 card with 75% of the Cuda cores of the 5090, call it a 5080Ti and the sheep would be lined up to buy it. They could even give you less VRAM saying that their AI compression techniques are so great, you don't need VRAM, and people would still buy it.
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I was talking about a 5090ti, which you mentioned and I quoted. As I said, it wouldn't make any sense if the power limit is still 600w. The extra cores would have to run slower to compensate and so in the end the performance benefit would be minimal, if any.
I've already said previously I'm pretty much expecting a 5080ti to arrive at some point when nvida wants to sell off all the dodgy dies that's couldn't make it as 5090D. Releasing it now will absolutely cut into 5090 sales. So in order for the 5080ti to arrive, we're going to have to wait until 5090 is back to msrp/back in stock across the board. Only then will the market say that it had it's 5090 fill.
And I genuinely think nvidia wants to make more 5090s as fast as they can but for whatever reason can't. There's going to be alot of people who absolutely would buy a 5090, but won't wait and will buy something/anything now instead.
What he said.
New tech is rarely trouble free. It makes sense for Nvidia to ramp up production slowly in order to iron out any minor kinks.
This is why we need to champion the early adopters - not ridicule them. The early adopters are gold. They make life easier for the rest of us, later on down the line.
Production of the 5090 will ramp up. There’s no need for silly conspiracy theories in which the evil Nvidia has a master plan to hold back production in order to make billions.
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Yes, the evil master plan to make zero profit by selling zero cards. Genius, I tell ya!
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I did it boys, I got one!! Traded an MSI 4090 and some cash for a 5090 FE. So far, so good! Wasn't planning on upgrading but saw it on OfferUp and the guy's house was less than 10 minutes away from mine. Went over, tested his card, then tested mine.
How much is "some cash." Surely he wanted more than $400 extra to give up a very hard to find 5090.
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It wasn’t cheap and I’m not proud, but the deed was done. Even if I had to wipe off my mouth and use my bidet for 30 minutes, I have a 5090 I can go home to and cry in front of.
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Congratulations.
Nobody's judging you for it. 5090 is very hard to get right now. Just curious.
My guess is he asked maybe $2000 for the out of pocket for the card plus your 4090.
And the crazy thing is that would still be cheaper than the scalper prices who are charging around $4500 on ebay for it now.
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It was $1000. I justified it because typically when the new cards come out, without the market being as crazy, I would have paid about that for a new one. I actually don't feel like I got ripped off with the market the way it is. =)
Yup. I feel that was a reasonable amount to pay considering how crazy hard it is to get a 5090 right now. Congrats and enjoy. Post some benchmarks of it or something. Hehe.
Had a Newegg bundle in my cart for an Asus TUF 5070 Ti and just couldn't do it. It would be a nice upgrade for the 4070 Super I have in another PC, but they were bundling it with a ProArt case I already have and Lord knows I don't need another case...lol
To be fair, at least the ProArt cases looks nice and classy. Not just your typical boxy pc case.
I would’ve jumped on that. Life is short, man.
I agree and already have one, so I didn't really need another one. It's a great case.
View: https://youtu.be/BVCQJhPQ5MA?si=DkuSMjgCaKWYySLp
I'm not a fan of the guys yelling approach, but he makes some good points.
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They have differing governments and ideas on rule. If you're going to cite Wikipedia, then at least read the actual articles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan
5080 Ti would be nice, but the price will still likely be bullshit.
This is one of the worst generations in recent history. Not only are the prices high, but the actual performance gains, measured on a current generation vs previous generation basis, are dogshit across the board.
5080 Can't even beat the 4090.
5070 (even Ti) can't even beat the 4080S.
Per-SKU generation gains are almost nonexistent (even the 5090 is basically just "hey we made the thingy bigger and added more TDP wow").
If each generation was supposed to be an integer number increase (ie 5.0 vs 4.0), this gen wouldn't be 5.0 vs 4.0, it would be like 4.2.
Absolute trash just hinging on their AI market which they're shoveling down our throats because they clearly don't care enough... and I guess neither do consumers because they'll buy it right up.
This statement alone pretty much sums it up for the state of Nvidia right now.
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Some PC gamers are total cucks for NVIDIA, it's pathetic
I just want the best performing video card I can for what I'm willing to pay. Unfortunately, that's NVIDIA more often than not. I wouldn't buy AMD just to stick it to NVIDIA. AMD needs to do better if were ever going to see NVIDIA reign in their pricing and increase availability.
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That's true but there comes a point where consumer desperation results in results folks being willing to be exploited by predatory behavior by NVIDIA and by scalpers. IMO no hobby is worth that unless someone is rich enough and desperate enough to knowingly be taken advantage of.
Also as others have pointed out the more people who let themselves be taken advantage like this the more it empowers scalpers and businesses to keep screwing us over. No self-respecting consumer should give into this.
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Complete horse shit.
5090s are ‘burning up’ are ‘missing rops’ are too expensive and sell out within .5 seconds?
It’s more like .25 seconds. Haha!
Decided to install MSI Afterburner to see how my 4090 was fairing with my LG 45" OLED. Every game I play is maxed out at 240 FPS at ultra settings which is the monitors refresh rate at 3440 x 1440. Now I feel better with skipping the 50 series and just waiting to see what's next after that I guess. I never have been a frame chaser in games so this was my first time installing Afterburner in years. As long as I could play games without stuttering or slowing down I was good. Maybe if I went back to 4K I would consider it, but this Ultra Gear monitor displays games so nicely I don't feel the need to do that. The price of the monitor compared to the price of a 5090 saved me about $1,700 or more.
Games I play:
COD BO6
Grid (All)
Marvel Rivals.
Just thought I'd share in case someone was thinking of a similar path.
Games I play:
COD BO6
Grid (All)
Marvel Rivals.
Just thought I'd share in case someone was thinking of a similar path.
Obviously, it isn't all of them that are burning up. The missing ROP issue supposedly doesn't effect that many cards. I think people are willing to take their chances and just deal with getting them replaced under warranty should the need arise.
Another reason not to buy from a scalper.
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yeah I did the same thing and very happy with this setup. I also upgraded my mouse to an Asus Gladius III Aimpoint wireless... played Doom 3 through again with this setup at 240hz just giggling the whole time .. granted not all my games will hit 240fps but 120 is very smooth as well.. and that 800R curve is really nice. I think I'm pretty good for a while now.
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FWIW, the 4090 tears through 4K as well...
It does, but even more so at 1440P.FWIW, the 4090 tears through 4K as well...
