Hagrid
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You sure?There is nothing in the NDA preventing honesty in reviews.
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You sure?There is nothing in the NDA preventing honesty in reviews.
This. I say go for it.Yes.
Nothing in the NDA prevents an [H]onest review.
Nvidia's main thing seems to be trying to clamp down on the baseball hat youtube bros and their "2080 Ti EARLY BENCHEZ LEAKED!" clickbait videos. For review sites like [H] it'll be business as usual.
How many are paid by Nvidia? Not going to get a good review there.Fun fact: Guess where all the "No, Kyle dont give up your morulz!" screamers are going to be on launch day? Off reading the reviews and benches at all the other sites that signed the NDA.
No one is actually going to change their own behavior to be congruent with their posturing here, they're simply declaring that they're fine with Kyle missing out.
That's great you'll make your ultimate buying determination by the [H] review, but doesn't change what I said.
Problem is, nobody screaming "No!" is also committing to hiding their heads in the sand and ignoring day one reviews.
So all that a mickey mouse boycott would accomplish is chasing site traffic away to the day one sites, and costing Kyle money.
but [H] being bound by nv's nda is to nv's benefit. I would rather, ie my opinion, [H] maintain its well established integrity and credibility. as in what kyle just said:
looking at other sites only will hurt [H[. if youre still here doing what you do your fine. that's what I do.
I was just typing that.
Meh,
I'm not buying until I read the HardOCP review, either way. It's the only review site I trust these days. Everyone else is in someone's pocket, or has signed an unfavorable NDA.
Nobody disputes this. What this really boils down to is allowing [H] to be both, or chasing a week's worth of site traffic and relevance away for spite - all it would really do is benefit other sites.My MOST important point is this: I don't come here for the first reviews. I come here for the best reviews.
How many are paid by Nvidia? Not going to get a good review there.
So there is nothing the reviewer can do to pump up or down numbers? 0?My money is on none.
Ignoring the legality of such, we're talking about a technical video card review here. People are looking for benchmarks, overclocking results, etc. Seeing as that information is based on hard numbers, not opinion, there's really nothing to be paid to fudge in Nvidia's favor. If one tech journalist came out with a review that showed different performance numbers than every other review, it would be pretty obvious. Ergo, they wouldn't do it. Really the only opinion in a video card review is that of value, and that too is really left for the customer to decide for themselves based on price and benchmark results. The opinion of the reviewer doesn't hold much weight, so what would Nvidia be paying for, exactly?
I don't know what the potential financial implications are for [H] for not signing the NDA, but at the very least we've all seen how much money they put forward on the pre-orders. How valuable is that one to two week window in advertising dollars? I don't know, but I'd guess a lot. I would have to guess that major video card releases bring in more clicks than any other new hardware. Between the insane cost, lack of benchmarks, and new technology being introduced, I think more people than usual are going to weighing on reviews before making a buying decision. If Nvidia actually keeps cards in stock during the launch window, I think you're looking at a lot of lost traffic for all the people who are interested but not willing to jump on a pre-order without knowing what they are buying.
For the people voting no, I don't think they really appreciate the potential cost of not signing. If every other tech site is signing, do the same. If you can publish your findings exactly as they are without outside influence from Nvidia, sign away. If you can't, it sounds like there is a deeper legal issue to be addressed. Don't blow thousands of dollars because your users cannot appreciate what they are asking you to do by voting no.
So there is nothing the reviewer can do to pump up or down numbers? 0?
Well if Nvidia paid them to make their reviews better. Pretty straight forward. But since you claim there is 0 possibility that a review can do that, then nothing to worry about.
I would rather trust the site that does not have an NDA and maybe pockets being lined by Nvidia. Just personal preference.Maybe you didn't read what I said? They absolutely can lie about numbers. And what do you think would happen if you had 10 reviews all showing the same numbers, and an 11th showing something completely different that doesn't line up? It will be obvious that something isn't right, and neither Nvidia or a reputable journalist would be stupid enough to not know that. I'm not denying that it could be done, I'm denying that it would go unnoticed and/or be effective. So why risk the major legal issues that come along with disguising advertisements as reviews?
For the people voting no, I don't think they really appreciate the potential cost of not signing. If every other tech site is signing, do the same. If you can publish your findings exactly as they are without outside influence from Nvidia, sign away. If you can't, it sounds like there is a deeper legal issue to be addressed. Don't blow thousands of dollars because your users cannot appreciate what they are asking you to do by voting no. I wonder how many would vote the same if it was their money and their livelihood on the line.
I would rather trust the site that does not have an NDA and maybe pockets being lined by Nvidia. Just personal preference.
Magic 8 ball..... Don't count on it.That is just about as slimy as it gets! I hope AMD can get their graphic card offerings competitive; SOON!
"NVIDIA Offers HardOCP 2080 Launch Access" What is misleading about that? They did exactly that, just need to sign their NDA.So you asked nvidia to be included in the RTX launch, but you want to do so in your own terms....
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Just sign the damn paper man, suck it up.
BTW the title in the news is misleading to say the least as nvidia didn't offer you anything in the first place.
My money is on none.
For the people voting no, I don't think they really appreciate the potential cost of not signing. If every other tech site is signing, do the same. If you can publish your findings exactly as they are without outside influence from Nvidia, sign away. If you can't, it sounds like there is a deeper legal issue to be addressed. Don't blow thousands of dollars because your users cannot appreciate what they are asking you to do by voting no. I wonder how many would vote the same if it was their money and their livelihood on the line.
You made me LOL.Kyle, they probably launched like this just to irk you.
My money is on none.
Ignoring the legality of such, we're talking about a technical video card review here. People are looking for benchmarks, overclocking results, etc. Seeing as that information is based on hard numbers, not opinion, there's really nothing to be paid to fudge in Nvidia's favor. If one tech journalist came out with a review that showed different performance numbers than every other review, it would be pretty obvious. Ergo, they wouldn't do it. Really the only opinion in a video card review is that of value, and that too is really left for the customer to decide for themselves based on price and benchmark results. The opinion of the reviewer doesn't hold much weight, so what would Nvidia be paying for, exactly?
I don't know what the potential financial implications are for [H] for not signing the NDA, but at the very least we've all seen how much money they put forward on the pre-orders. How valuable is that one to two week window in advertising dollars? I don't know, but I'd guess a lot. I would have to guess that major video card releases bring in more clicks than any other new hardware. Between the insane cost, lack of benchmarks, and new technology being introduced, I think more people than usual are going to weighing on reviews before making a buying decision. If Nvidia actually keeps cards in stock during the launch window, I think you're looking at a lot of lost traffic for all the people who are interested but not willing to jump on a pre-order without knowing what they are buying.
For the people voting no, I don't think they really appreciate the potential cost of not signing. If every other tech site is signing, do the same. If you can publish your findings exactly as they are without outside influence from Nvidia, sign away. If you can't, it sounds like there is a deeper legal issue to be addressed. Don't blow thousands of dollars because your users cannot appreciate what they are asking you to do by voting no. I wonder how many would vote the same if it was their money and their livelihood on the line.
That is already the way we operate.Kyle, another option that I have not seen discussed is [H]ardOCP constructing internal barriers for the access to CI.
I don't know the mechanics of your process, but could you firewall all contact with NVIDIA CI to yourself and perhaps one/few other person(s)?
You could then maintain all NVIDIA disclosed CI from other staff writers doing non-review journalistic endeavors, while you and designated others do reviews based on NVIDIA CI.
You may want to discuss it with your attorney, but such a practice is commonly used with trade secrets.
Every reviewer is provided with a review kit, including a marketing brochure that essentially includes all the talking points Nvidia wants reviewers to cover in their reviews, and what spin Nvidia would prefer. If you opt to go off script and do a real review (Like Kyle does) chances are you won't be invited to review next time.
Hardware companies would prefer if you never go off script from their review kit, but that doesn't make for much of a review.
I don't know how many reviewers would be scummy enough to try to throw off benchmarks or anything like that, but, you know, if a new product performs really well in 2 popular games, but really poorly the other 15 current popular games, the company is going to want you to present only the benchmarks that make them look good, and disregard the rest. Also, don't underestimate the power of the reviewers conclusion. I seem to remember a certain HEDT Intel CPU Kyle reviewed, concluding it "wasn't for gamers" which got him cut off from Intel review samples...
I upped the amount donated on patreon after hitting no.
Yes this is a review on a card but that NDA reach far further than this and poeple are blind to not see that. With this NDA, it limit GPP or 3.5GB talk. I want [H] to continue investigating along with doing quality review. Also that NDA may further limit [H] to give a bad review. What's the point of review if the only thing you can say are good things and not b*tch about it ?
EDIT: I also support a fundme campaign with a giveaway within the funders after.
Yes, I asked for access, they offered us that access contingent on HardOCP signing the NDA. The news post reads...Didn't you ask first?
That's a comment only a person who loves Nvidia would make.
IF he is going to ignore the fanboy talk then he should stick to the advice his lawyer gave him. Which was not to sign it.