AMD issues guidelines to retailers to prevent Radeon RX 6000 scalping

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Waiting eagerly. While I'm really tempted to grab a 6800XT now (I wonder if my local Microcenter will let me essentially buy online and go pick it up from the local stock?), I' m curious to see the full report on performance now that embargos on such data are over. I wonder if that is also the case for the 6900XT, as it would be nice to see some comparison data both to the 6800XT / 6800 and to the AMD 3070/3080/3090. Or is there a separate date for the reviews/info on the 6900XT to be made available?

Also, in reference to FrgMstr's post, its great to hear there will be AIB versions of the 6900XT; earlier reports seemed to suggest not only would there only be reference designs, they would only be available in a limited fashion. Is there a public confirmation or reporting of this or is it still exclusively off-the-record from industry sources? it would be great if, at least prior to the holidays, all the info would be available for both 6800XT and 6900XT series, with both reference and AIB versions of the cards available for purchase.
They haven't been allowing that. For any high ticket items they always have in store only. People been lining up since yesterday for the cards. So yea would be a dick move for them to hold cards for people who ordered from the comfort of their home.
 

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The tension is palpable. Newegg's site shows 'no products found' under GPU. BB has 2, 'Coming Soon' and AMD has a link that goes to '404 Page Not Found'

jitters
 

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None of the Canadian sites showing them, memoryexpress showed them last night but guess it was an error. 9am EST seemed to be a release time for today but i guess not.
 

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FrgMstr do you have any info on when the onsale time is gonna be? i'm just not finding even listings for cards anywhere. I called both B&H and Adorama Camera. B&H told me they will not be carrying the cards at all (???) and Adorama said they are "waiting on a truck" and "will update the website when they arrived because they don't know how many or what they are getting". have you heard anything?
 

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FrgMstr do you have any info on when the onsale time is gonna be? i'm just not finding even listings for cards anywhere. I called both B&H and Adorama Camera. B&H told me they will not be carrying the cards at all (???) and Adorama said they are "waiting on a truck" and "will update the website when they arrived because they don't know how many or what they are getting". have you heard anything?
15 minutes ago. Some retailers are just getting stock TODAY, so some will not be on embargo time.
 

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AMD had the 6800xt showing, but the add to cart button didn't work. Refreshed the page, it's gone, now only the 6800 showing and the add to cart button doesn't work. They're gone...bots.
 

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AMD had the 6800xt showing, but the add to cart button didn't work. Refreshed the page, it's gone, now only the 6800 showing and the add to cart button doesn't work. They're gone...bots.
yep. surprised i haven't seen any on ebay yet.
 

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Day is not over yet. I refuse to give up until BB says 'Out of Stock' rather than 'Coming Soon'

(Said in a grim, rather than hopeful tone)
I will quote myself from another thread.

AMD MBA cards will be in short supply up front. However, where you saw NV front-load almost all its cards, AMD is backloading. Once AIB cards hit, you will see 5 to 7 times the inventory released than what NV has shipped total in NA at this time. AMD will be heavily back-loaded into the channel. AMD is shipping ASIC BOM kits nearly daily to AIBs at this point and it will continue to happen throughout Q4. There will be a decent supply through Q4.

Now let me say this again as it is worth hearing. There is no way that when AMD was doing its projections for supply, that it could have even fathomed that NVIDIA would totally shit the bed on 3080/90 supply for the quarter, effectively abandoning the $500 to $1000 GPU TAM. NVIDIA has left such a gaping hole in the market that there is no way it can be filled currently. From my information and analysis, AMD projected to grow its portion of the TAM and will have inventory to do that. The sad fact is that NV simply abandoned its customer in that market and there is no possible way for AMD to fill the void.
 

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How it was impossible? Did you use a bot?
That's just a link to track who bought what today. Also there's a thing going around that if you subscribed to AMD"s newsletter for new releases and all that, there was a mailer from them with a direct link to purchase. I didn't and so I didn't get to buy, hehe.
 

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I will quote myself from another thread.

AMD MBA cards will be in short supply up front. However, where you saw NV front-load almost all its cards, AMD is backloading. Once AIB cards hit, you will see 5 to 7 times the inventory released than what NV has shipped total in NA at this time. AMD will be heavily back-loaded into the channel. AMD is shipping ASIC BOM kits nearly daily to AIBs at this point and it will continue to happen throughout Q4. There will be a decent supply through Q4.

Now let me say this again as it is worth hearing. There is no way that when AMD was doing its projections for supply, that it could have even fathomed that NVIDIA would totally shit the bed on 3080/90 supply for the quarter, effectively abandoning the $500 to $1000 GPU TAM. NVIDIA has left such a gaping hole in the market that there is no way it can be filled currently. From my information and analysis, AMD projected to grow its portion of the TAM and will have inventory to do that. The sad fact is that NV simply abandoned its customer in that market and there is no possible way for AMD to fill the void.
When I read this the other day, I accepted that 'launch day' might be a miss - but the whole 'decent supply through q4' part is the really good news. Not sweating too badly for myself; but I've a friend who's built an AMD system and can't turn it on without a GPU... so I was actually trying to secure him a card (and will get myself one later).

I at least have a working computer... he's got a box full of expensive components.
 

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How so? Is this just part of their contract, or part of contract law in general (and which part)?
Those sellers have no contract with AMD. There is nothing there to enforce. You need to look up "price fixing." Its goes both ways with the only real exclusions that I am aware of being commodities in time of emergency.
 
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Those sellers have no contract with AMD. There is nothing there to enforce. You need to look up "price fixing." Its goes both ways with the only real exclusions that I am aware of being commodities in time of emergency.
How did Sony get Amazon to not allow 3rd party sellers? Is sony just that much more powerful than AMD or NVIDIA?
 

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That's just a link to track who bought what today. Also there's a thing going around that if you subscribed to AMD"s newsletter for new releases and all that, there was a mailer from them with a direct link to purchase. I didn't and so I didn't get to buy, hehe.
Pretty sure I subscribed a while ago and I have seen no email from AMD. Just checked spam as well.
 

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Pretty sure I subscribed a while ago and I have seen no email from AMD. Just checked spam as well.
Weird. Maybe in your settings you didn't click on all their spams? I dont know how their mailer works but I've seen multiple posts where those folks got early links and was able to checkout. I kept getting the stupid CPU sold out page when clicking on the GPU link, lol.
 

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Those sellers have no contract with AMD.
No, but AMD has a contract with Amazon and Newegg as "Authorized Resellers". As such, part of that contract could include a stipulation that the products can only be sold at a certain price (or within a certain amount above or below a certain price). Part of that contract could also include a stipulation that the authorized reseller's platform would restrict third-parties from pricing the products outside of the agreed upon pricing window.


There is nothing there to enforce. You need to look up "price fixing."
Price fixing is an entirely different matter, and would only come into play if, for example, Amazon forbade third-party sellers from selling below a price-point that Amazon itself was selling below. I am discussing a different concept called "retail price maintenance", which is common in the world of commerce, and generally part of "authorized reseller" agreements.
 

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No, but AMD has a contract with Amazon and Newegg as "Authorized Resellers". As such, part of that contract could include a stipulation that the products can only be sold at a certain price (or within a certain amount above or below a certain price). Part of that contract could also include a stipulation that the authorized reseller's platform would restrict third-parties from pricing the products outside of the agreed upon pricing window.



Price fixing is an entirely different matter, and would only come into play if, for example, Amazon forbade third-party sellers from selling below a price-point that Amazon itself was selling below. I am discussing a different concept called "retail price maintenance", which is common in the world of commerce, and generally part of "authorized reseller" agreements.
OK. You do you.
 

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When I read this the other day, I accepted that 'launch day' might be a miss - but the whole 'decent supply through q4' part is the really good news. Not sweating too badly for myself; but I've a friend who's built an AMD system and can't turn it on without a GPU... so I was actually trying to secure him a card (and will get myself one later).

I at least have a working computer... he's got a box full of expensive components.
Im in the same boat as your friend. have a box full of expensive components but no GPU to power it on with. Might break down and buy a 5700 in a few weeks if cant secure a 6800 just to have something to use
 

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Just looked it up. Sony trading at $80 a share while Nvidia is $500. Sony market cap is over 120 billion. Nvidia is over 300 billion.
That’s irrelevant since Sony sells much more in terms of volume than Nvidia. Also Nvidia is still a growth stock, so valuations are going to be way higher than normal.
 

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Just looked it up. Sony trading at $80 a share while Nvidia is $500. Sony market cap is over 120 billion. Nvidia is over 300 billion.
NVidia moves small amounts of high-profit items and has lots of IP that makes the company valuable as they are very profitable in their space. Sony, on the other hand, moves a mass volume of lower profit items but in terms of sheer revenue, Sony dwarfs NVidia several times over. Sony's 78B to NVidia's 12B, put them in completely different arena's but by year-end, the amount of profit each of them makes is about the same. So NVidia has far better margins on their products and investors love that.
 

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That’s irrelevant since Sony sells much more in terms of volume than Nvidia. Also Nvidia is still a growth stock, so valuations are going to be way higher than normal.

NVidia moves small amounts of high-profit items and has lots of IP that makes the company valuable as they are very profitable in their space. Sony, on the other hand, moves a mass volume of lower profit items but in terms of sheer revenue, Sony dwarfs NVidia several times over. Sony's 78B to NVidia's 12B, put them in completely different arena's but by year-end, the amount of profit each of them makes is about the same. So NVidia has far better margins on their products and investors love that.
Well, the whole comparison is apples to oranges from the word go.
 
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