Did Sony say whether or not their Zen chip has SMT?
Digital Foundry said it was 8c/16t.
Why wouldn't it have SMT? These are going to be standard Ryzen 2 CCXs. I mean Sony could disable the SMT, but the HW will most likely have it.
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Did Sony say whether or not their Zen chip has SMT?
And those people are idiots. About as stupid as people who believe that cloud gaming is the future.Yes. Different platforms have different people that like them for their own reasons.
If you see a tangible different then let me know. All I see is walled gardens with different speed ram.Yes, let's just totally ignore all the difference between platforms. That's a great way to make your point.
How do you know Gears 5 is optimized at all, let alone the best optimized game in years? Look who's making up shit. All I'm saying is that Microsoft is using a Microsoft product like Gears 5 to promote how much better the Microsoft Xbox Series X is. Think for yourselves, don't be sheep.Gears 5 is one of the best optimized PC titles in years. You're trying to make up bullshit excuses just because something doesn't fit your narrative. It's okay to admit you're wrong, no one will think less of you.
If you know anything about programming, and it's obvious you don't, then you'll know that since the PS4 and Xbox One are so similar to PC that you could run the emulator though a Virtual Machine. Orbital for example uses QEMU to simulate the PS4 hardware. I've actually talked to AlexAltea the author of Orbital as he does visit Phoronix.com the linux news website, and he's using HAXM, a cross-platform open-source type-2 hypervisor. He's actually contributing code to it so it can better run his PS4 emulator. CPU emulation is done, but the majority of his work is the BIOS/OS and translating GCN to Vulkan/SPIR-V. The later is taking so much time that he's gone underground until that's finished.A PS4 emulator will require significantly more power than the console itself to run, like every software emulator. Probably not to the same extreme as older generations, simply due to similar instruction sets, but it will still require more. So, not really a good example.
The GPU in SX is roughly equivalent to the 2080/2080 Super. The GPU alone could cost more than either console. And that assumes this hypothetical person has a good enough PSU to handle it, a case with support (an issue with some pre-builts), and a CPU that won't cause a massive bottleneck.
Sony was hyping up the 3D Tempest Audio feature...is it a big deal?
The XBSX is an unpriced, unshipping product, you would have to compare to what actually is available when it's actually shipping, and has an actual price.
Right now we can compare to a XBX ($400), which I think a 1660 Super ($240) would best.
You also have to factor in monthly fees for a console, those add up fast.
If you're buying based on current consoles six months before new ones come out, you're doing yourself a disservice.
Who pays monthly?
Monthly or annually, you are still paying to access the network, you are basically on the hook for endless rent.
The unified memory architecture is a massive difference between a traditional IBM-compatible PC, and the PS4/XBone hardware.There's no console magic as I've shown Steam Doom 2016 running on the PS4 with Ultra settings.
Yes, you can play games on a $15 mouse/keyboard combo pack. And that's probably reality for a lot of very young people. But...would you want to play Playstation with a $15 controller? I guess my point is that this probably isn't a great point to try and hash out, at all. Especially not as a definite positive.I never said that that PC's can compete on equal pricing. Though, if you add in the cost of peripherals + Xbox Live/PS Plus, then PC is cheaper in the long term.
The unified memory is just a cost cutting method because the console is using 16GB of GDDR6. Keep in mind the difference of a CPU and GPU is their work loads and CPU's specialize in serial work while a GPU does a lot of math. There's a reason why desktop PC's still use DDR memory because it offers lower latency, which would help increase the performance of serial work. That's also the reason why CPU's use L2 and L3 cache, because DDR memory is still too slow in terms of latency. Makes you wonder how the Zen2 cores are going to perform with such high latency GDDR6? Also no word on what happened to the L3 cache.The unified memory architecture is a massive difference between a traditional IBM-compatible PC, and the PS4/XBone hardware.
In the very video you posted, the presenter stated, and proved, that the hardware of the consoles, outside of the x86-64 CPU itself, was vastly different than PC hardware.
Without documentation then yes, it'll take a lot of work. Most of the work is reverse engineering, which will take a lot of effort.While I do agree that it won't take the processing power to emulate modern consoles due to the similarities in code, there will still need to be a lot of work done in order to make it happen, and that is no small feat.
I never said writing an emulator was easy.It looks easy because they had the skills, as excellent programmers, to make the process easy - that doesn't mean the process itself was ever easy.
There are other consoles and workstations that use x86 CPUs that are not PC-compatible and have completely different architectures overall, such as the PC-98 and FM-Towns, but that can be emulated with relative ease, thanks to the work and skill of programmers.
I never said that that PC's can compete on equal pricing. Though, if you add in the cost of peripherals + Xbox Live/PS Plus, then PC is cheaper in the long term.
That's roughly the performance of a RX 580 which you can find for a little over $100.
Firstly, not all Xbox One games are enhanced for the Xbox One X. If it isn't enhanced then you get a marginal if any visual enhancement. On PC as long as you know how to increase the graphic settings in games, you'll always benefit from newer hardware. Also that $600 PC will likely come with things like a SSD, while the Xbox One X comes with a 1TB laptop hard drive. Also, Here's a $700 PC with a Ryzen 2600 plus RX 5700 with a 512GB SSD. With the exception of Ray-Tracing, that pre-built isn't too far off from the PS5, depending on how RDNA2 performs compared to RDNA1.
If you buy a pre-built then you don't have to do any of that. Just log into Steam, Origin, Epic, or whatever and play your game.
Considering we've just entered an economic depression, I doubt anyone has money for buying a console later this year, let alone PC hardware.
I mean... I guess? There are plenty of cheap gamepads just for PC, but the problem is most games on PC are built to use Xbox gamepads, and therefore anything else is a gamble if it'll work. I have Dualshock4 gamepads because the motion sensor can be used for games like Breath of the Wild through the emulator CEMU. They're expensive, and lots of PC games don't recognize it like the Xbox controller.Yes, you can play games on a $15 mouse/keyboard combo pack. And that's probably reality for a lot of very young people. But...would you want to play Playstation with a $15 controller? I guess my point is that this probably isn't a great point to try and hash out, at all. Especially not as a definite positive.
And while I could be wrong, I would bet that most mainstream PC gamers with any sort of personal cash flow, own mice which cost $30-$50. Keyboards be damned. I actually really enjoy the basic $10 - $20 microsoft keyboard, myself. Even then, I'd say its more common than ever, to actually spend something non-trivial on your keyboard.
I don't like the idea of people justifying the Xbox Live or PS Plus service because it offers more than just playing your games online. It should just be free, just like on PC. If the extra bonus crap is worth having then let that be a paid for service, not the multiplayer feature. It's just like having Amazon Prime where it comes with a lot of extra crap, but really you just want the next day delivery. Lets see Amazon separate the services and see how well they'll do on their own. There's a reason why all that's bundled because they know they can justify the cost. Cable companies do the same thing.PS Plus and Live Gold do indeed cost money. And over some years, a fair bit of money. But...its not on nothing. I don't care to outline all of it. But if you look back over the lifetime of the PS4, it fairs pretty well. Its really only been EGS and XBGP-PC, which have drastically bolstered the PC, in the past year (but those are still separate services, in a sea of services drowning us on PC). Whereas Live and PSN have many features under one, solid umbrella. And XBGP-PC while very cheap, is quite buggy. And it also could get more expensive at any moment, when they decide to really focus on it and take it out of beta.
That shouldn't matter, unless the PSN servers was closer to Alaska than the PC server. In which case that's not due to the service just location. Also probably because nobody lives in Alaska. Seriously, they pay people to live there.But at the least, I will say that PSN seems to perform relatively a lot better, on slower internet connections, than the same multiplayer games do on PC. Even before payed PSN. I played Unreal Tournament III on PS3 in Alaska, because it played great on my crappy internet. Whereas the PC version was fully unplayable on the majority of servers.
You are confusing "unified memory" with "shared memory" - they are not the same, nor operate even remotely similar.The unified memory is just a cost cutting method because the console is using 16GB of GDDR6. Keep in mind the difference of a CPU and GPU is their work loads and CPU's specialize in serial work while a GPU does a lot of math. There's a reason why desktop PC's still use DDR memory because it offers lower latency, which would help increase the performance of serial work. That's also the reason why CPU's use L2 and L3 cache, because DDR memory is still too slow in terms of latency. Makes you wonder how the Zen2 cores are going to perform with such high latency GDDR6?
None of that is even remotely true, and the only architecture difference in Apple x86-64 systems is the use of EFI and a few other minor differences - otherwise, they are IBM-compatible PC systems.If you can run Linux and boot a PC game off Steam then its a PC. The PS4 is as different to PC as Apple's computer but that doesn't stop Apple from running Windows.
Here's a $700 PC with a Ryzen 2600 plus RX 5700 with a 512GB SSD.[/url]
https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-mage-e-ala145/p/N82E16883102829
With the exception of Ray-Tracing, that pre-built isn't too far off from the PS5, depending on how RDNA2 performs compared to RDNA1.
This really is the bottom-line for the average non-PC gamer or end-user.I've been around tech a long time and it is still much easier jump into a game on console than on PC even when it has an SSD. There is just always more that goes wrong with PC since you are dealing with more 'layers' - OS to drivers to Steam to Rockstar or whatever publisher stuff you have to log into. With console into is sign in and go.
Yes, but what does that have to do with cost?You said "The only reason you'd have to play games on a console is because you're friends are on console and therefore you don't want to go on some other platform and distance yourself from them. "
Paying less money up front is a reason. Like I said, how much money was spent in the past 7 years of owning a PS4 or Xbox One with Xbox Live and PS Plus? How much money could you save by buying PC games instead of console games?Paying less money upfront is a terrible reason to play games on console. Probably the absolute most valid reason. And your statement completely disregards that. You can't compare two competing products and remove price from that equation. For most, that's the single most important factor.
To be frank, it doesn't matter. The RX 580 performs pretty much the same as many other GPU's. The R9 290/290X/390/390X/GTX970/980/GTX1060 and the list literally goes on. You can even get a RX 5500 and that would be equivalent or better to the RX 580. As for the price I'm not sure why prices have gone up? They were much cheaper not long ago, but then again everyone is home playing games because the economy has crashed, so maybe everyone went to buy these graphic cards? Oddly enough the 5600XT and 5700 are really cheap right now, which suggests people aren't buying those.The cheapest RX580 I could find in short order was $160 for a shitty one.
To be honest I couldn't build a PC that terrible for cheap. I'd literally have to choose better quality parts to keep it under $600. So here it is for $600, and $5 to get your license of Windows 10 Pro. Don't worry, the Windows 10 keys work fine as I've used it many times without issue. The very PC I'm typing on right now has a Windows 10 Pro key bought from Ebay with zero problems. Also I'm pretty sure you'll mention how it doesn't have a Blu-Ray drive and the parts don't meet you standards, because you seem that sort of person. Blah Blah Blah, needs a monitor, Blah, Blah, Blah, cheap this cheap that. That's why I went through the trouble to choose wireless mice so you can use this PC on your TV, like I do. Or just buy a $17 gamepad if you insist on one.Which, even if you went with cheap, shit parts, you're probably still looing at $600 by the time you have everything you need. I challenge you to come up with a complete RX 580 build from new parts, with EVERYTHING you'd need, like a console would come with, for under $600 (which is still twice as expensive as the competing console).
What would be the point of buying a more powerful console if not all the games can use the hardware? This is why I said the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X is like the Sega CD and 32X. It just divides the user base and does nothing for existing games unless developers go out of their way to use it. You don't have this problem with PC.The Xbox One X was an example of my point, not an outlier. The fact that not all games are enhanced is irreverent.
You got me there. Isn't the Xbox One a dead console though? Would rather have a PS4 personally.Standard XB1 can be had under $200. Can you build a complete, ready to game PC from new parts under $200? Didn't think so.
It was the first PC I found searching on NewEgg. You don't have a problem with the build quality of consoles but you have high standards for PC parts. I don't get it.The same will be true when the new consoles launch. The fact that you're linking some random, no name prebuilt PC to try and show your point proves your grasping at straws.
Explain this then.Especially when (I shouldn't have to explain this), you absolutely cannot take a game console and a like-spec PC and expect they will be capable of the same performance. Consoles, every single one of them, have been able to be pushed father than their PC equivalent hardware ever could be.
I really doubt the Xbox Series X is $500. Again, how do you know what they're saying is true or not? How do you know if the PC port is optimized at all? You can't take peoples words and accept them to be true. Again, Microsoft has a bias when it comes to showing how much better their console is.The upcoming Xbox, on a quick and unoptimized port, already can do 4K 60FPS, and they're targeting higher by launch. To get 4K 60fps on PC in Gears 5, requires a 2080 Ti. A (presumably) $500ish console is doing what a $1200 video card does, never mind that that $1200 video card equals a $2000+ build by the time you spec out appropriate parts.
Besides missing Ray-Tracing and RDNA1 that I already mentioned, I believe I do. Keep in mind we don't know a thing about RDNA2 and how Ray-Tracing will perform on RDNA2. Using only tflops a 5700 XT seems to be the nearest GPU to how the PS5 may perform. Hence, a 5700 isn't that much slower in that regard. A tflop isn't a tflop but I have nothing else to go with AMD's RDNA2 architecture.If you genuinely don't understand what makes that PC you linked vastly different from the PS5 / XBSX architecture, this conversation is truly pointless.
Both AMD and Nvidia auto update their drivers nowadays so you don't really have to do anything except reboot the PC when it reminds you to apply the update. I don't understand Launcher configuration? You mean logging into a Launcher? Graphic settings are usually auto detected in most games and the only reason to go deeper is to tweak it. Also, what's wrong with changing the graphic settings in games? Most games simplify it with Low, Normal, High, and Ultra. If you can pick a game difficulty then you can pick a graphic setting. You also mentioned managing game libraries, which is stupid. If you have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and Disney+ then you have the same problem, except you usually have a shortcut on the desktop to start the game which makes the process easy.Uh... what? In the line you quoted, you literally still have to do every single one of the things I mentioned, no matter who made your PC. How does having a prebuilt PC somehow absolve you from driver updates, launcher configuration, graphics settings, etc? Having someone else build your PC doesn't magically erase the complications of gaming on PC.
No, I mean that nobody is going to buy anything. As in no console and no PC hardware. The economy is done. Capitalism has failed. Anyone who spends money on toys is an idiot right now, unless we know what is going to be done to fix this mess.So after all this... you acknowledge that the burden of paying for a gaming PC is well beyond that of a console?
Again, consoles have lower up front cost but over time they'll cost more than a PC. An i5 2500K with a GTX 970 back in 2014 would have cost you $800 assuming you haven't upgraded the PC since then. You'd still be playing games at 1080p 60fps to this day. A PS4 bought in 2014 would be $400 plus $60 per year for PS Plus subscription. Six years later you would have spent $360 just for online multiplayer. By now the PS4 has cost you $760, and it rarely plays games at 1080p and always 30fps. You aren't saving money by going console, instead you're spending it slowly over time on PS Plus.Because that takes me right back to the very first line, there is your reason to buy a console over a PC smacking you square in the face. You are the one who made the claim that these consoles are no different than PCs and there's no logical reason to buy them.
Those people don't matter. I've seen what makes them cheer.You've been proven wrong, by many people in this thread.
They exist... for now. If the cost of the PS5 and Xbox Series X are too high I don't expect there to be another console generation. I've warned people here before in other threads that 2020 was going to be a depression and expensive consoles is a stupid move. I'm shocked that Sony and Microsoft haven't announced a delay on the release date of these machines due to recent events.You may not see the potential value in consoles, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I'm just telling you what's the smart thing to do, not what most people want. Console systems exist because stupid people exist. Maybe if Microsoft and Sony offered Windows 10 and Linux then I'd be alright with consoles, but they don't. There's a reason why you can use Netflix on a console but not Steam or Origin.You are obviously well unaware of what the average video game consumer wants. It's fine that you prefer playing on PC (so do I, and almost everyone here), but don't speak as if your opinion is fact.
And it's just sad that he thinks that PC he listed specs for will be anywhere near the actual performance of the PS5.You really can't understand why someone would choose one of these new consoles to that RGB nerd monstrosity with 8GB of Ram, an RX 5700, and a cheapo 512 GB SSD (of which half will be used by OS and software) with no 4k BR or software optimization?
I've been around tech a long time and it is still much easier jump into a game on console than on PC even when it has an SSD. There is just always more that goes wrong with PC since you are dealing with more 'layers' - OS to drivers to Steam to Rockstar or whatever publisher stuff you have to log into. With console into is sign in and go.
That same PC you showed could be built at almost have the price if you forgo the gpu or if you travel a lot, a basic laptop.
Now you have a $400 PC that others in your family can use or a laptop you can travel with plus an easy to to use $600? console that will play games as good as anything and be a living room media center.
Sorry to break it to you, but this is reality outside your little bubble.
These new consoles? That PC wasn't meant to compete against the PS5 or Xbox Series X. That just so happens to be what you get for $700, right now. I just find it odd that the RX 5700 isn't that far off, in terms of tflops. Obviously things like RDNA2 and Ray-Tracing make a difference. How much of a difference is yet to be seen.You really can't understand why someone would choose one of these new consoles to that RGB nerd monstrosity with 8GB of Ram, an RX 5700, and a cheapo 512 GB SSD (of which half will be used by OS and software) with no 4k BR or software optimization?
And from a CPU point my overclocked 4770k cannot even maintain 60fps in some newer games and he's silly enough to claim a 2500k can? Pretty ironic from someone essentially calling all console owners stupid.
Don't run the game at Ultra settings obviously. Not even the RTX 2080 Ti can run Borderlands 3 on Ultra settings at 60fps, that doesn't mean the graphics card is slow or that running it at Ultra is a good idea.
Are you running those games on Ultra settings? Also your sig says you have a 9900K, so what graphics card you have with that 4770k? Why does this forum have so many console fanboys?And from a CPU point my overclocked 4770k cannot even maintain 60fps in some newer games and he's silly enough to claim a 2500k can? Pretty ironic from someone essentially calling all console owners stupid.
Your huge post can be summarized here as you are coming off as arrogant. You really are filling the PC gamer cliche.Console systems exist because stupid people exist.
I'm just telling you what's the smart thing to do, not what most people want. Console systems exist because stupid people exist. Maybe if Microsoft and Sony offered Windows 10 and Linux then I'd be alright with consoles, but they don't. There's a reason why you can use Netflix on a console but not Steam or Origin.
I had the 4770k before the 9900k. What GPU I had is irrelevant as I was referring to when the CPU was being the bottleneck.Are you running those games on Ultra settings? Also your sig says you have a 9900K, so what graphics card you have with that 4770k? Why does this forum have so many console fanboys?
Just be sure to remember that FLOPS ≠ gaming or 3D performance.These new consoles? That PC wasn't meant to compete against the PS5 or Xbox Series X. That just so happens to be what you get for $700, right now. I just find it odd that the RX 5700 isn't that far off, in terms of tflops. Obviously things like RDNA2 and Ray-Tracing make a difference. How much of a difference is yet to be seen.
Many games, other than some of the very early launch titles, do take advantage of the upgraded consoles.What would be the point of buying a more powerful console if not all the games can use the hardware? This is why I said the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X is like the Sega CD and 32X. It just divides the user base and does nothing for existing games unless developers go out of their way to use it. You don't have this problem with PC.
I can't begin to tell you how many times this GPU driver auto-update bullshit has broken things, with AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel.Both AMD and Nvidia auto update their drivers nowadays so you don't really have to do anything except reboot the PC when it reminds you to apply the update.
Not to get off topic, but since Capitalism has failed, what would your alternative be?No, I mean that nobody is going to buy anything. As in no console and no PC hardware. The economy is done. Capitalism has failed. Anyone who spends money on toys is an idiot right now, unless we know what is going to be done to fix this mess.
God damn Bloodborne. Never got a proper 60FPS and Sony never let it out of exclusivity jail. And the Pro mode wasn't.A few games not listed, like Bloodborne, do still take advantage of the Boost Mode feature that helps stabilize the 30fps consistency, as well as load times (assuming SSD is used)
God damn Bloodborne. Never got a proper 60FPS and Sony never let it out of exclusivity jail. And the Pro mode wasn't.
If there was a Bloodborne 2 then ofcourse all would be forgiven immediately and I'd pretend I never even complained about Bloodborne 1. This post would go *poof*. You talk about a sellout, you have no idea.
Alas, FROM is busy with Elden Ring for all platforms so no PS5 exclusives for a while.
True dat. Although 280 of them could just be hot receptionists. You know Japanese men and how it goes over there.From is a pretty big company these days (nearly 300 employees apparently) so they could theoretically be working on more than one game, but even if they are it would still be a while. Assuming, they even want to make a sequel to Bloodborne.
True dat. Although 280 of them could just be receptionists. You know Japanese men and how it goes over there.
That said, and at the risk of coming across...indelicate, the idea of an Armored Souls makes me tingle where the bathing suit covers.
A pure Armored Souls mecha game probably wouldn't be a big seller. But some hybrid scheme with mechs instead of medieval dudes could be something.
These guys are like your favorite band (in your case I'm guessing Coldplay just based on all the evidence) and they're really tired of playing the hits without end, just wanting to take things in a new direction.
It's very relatvent, as well as what games were the issue. A 4770k with a GTX 660 is a big different from a GTX 970.I had the 4770k before the 9900k. What GPU I had is irrelevant as I was referring to when the CPU was being the bottleneck.
Seems like this forum has more people who defend consoles than PC. My point is that PC is superior to console in every conceivable way. The counter arguments against PC is based on stupidity, as in the average person is so stupid that they can't possibly use a PC to play games.It has nothing to do with being a console Fanboy but simply defending the advantages for people making ignorant comments like you have been doing. Anyone ridiculous enough to claim consoles are only for stupid people is beyond help though.
I agree, in that driver updates tend to be a double edge sword, but this is updates in general. Updating Windows can break PCs. Updating PS4's can break things as well. I'm not excusing AMD and Nvidia for their shitty driver updates, but this is mostly an issue in quality control over updates in general.I can't begin to tell you how many times this GPU driver auto-update bullshit has broken things, with AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel.
For the casual PC gamer who doesn't care, it's probably fine; otherwise, for someone who needs stability and specifically wants a specific driver, manual installation and upgrades are mandatory.
Heaven forbid the GPU is being used for anything outside of gaming, because auto-updating GPU drivers can break performance, stability, and even GPGPU functionality.
Again, I've seen this happen with AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel across all categories - fuck those auto-updates.
I don't know. If anything it might be Capitalism++. Yanis Varoufakis explains it better. You know, the guy that used to work for Valve. First, capitalism needs to be stabilized and then we can move to a new system.Not to get off topic, but since Capitalism has failed, what would your alternative be?
Socialism? Communism?
If you are cool, and prepared for the dark cyberpunk future, I would highly recommend Corporatism, which is like Capitalism, but without the lube.
FROM software also never properly patched Dark Souls on PC and ended up releasing Dark Souls Remastered which is a properly patched and fixed version.God damn Bloodborne. Never got a proper 60FPS and Sony never let it out of exclusivity jail. And the Pro mode wasn't.
If there was a Bloodborne 2 then ofcourse all would be forgiven immediately and I'd pretend I never even complained about Bloodborne 1. This post would go *poof*. You talk about a sellout, you have no idea.
Alas, FROM is busy with Elden Ring for all platforms so no PS5 exclusives for a while.
If I go all Ebay then I'd buy used GPU's like a GTX 1070 or a Vega 56. My PC is comprised of mostly used parts off Ebay. The 2700X was $180 off Ebay used. My Vega 56 was $212 off Ebay used. My motherboard was $60 open box item. The 1TB SSD was new from MicroCenter for $120. The case was $40 and the PSU is a Seasonic 550W that I paid $50, both bought from NewEgg. The ram is new from NewEgg as well but I paid like $40 when the ram prices dropped rapidly. I do have a water cooling loop that I build like 7 years ago that I still use today, with the exception of the water block because AM3 doesn't fit AM4. All of my water loop is directly from China, but I did buy the water block recently and that was $40 off Ebay. Also a couple of old hard drives, both 2TB that I paid $50 each when new. I was using a pirated version of Windows 10 but I bought the cheap Ebay key to avoid problems about 2 years ago.If we are gonna talk about grabbing deals or getting keys on ebay etc ------ then it needs to be said that most people aren't paying $59 for their 1 year PSN subscriptions. Whether it be from black friday deals, other holiday deals, other deals/promotions, or yes, even Ebay. There are also deals/promotions which giver you say 3 months free, etc. Or X months for an ultra low price. If you keep even reasonable track of such things, you can accumulate a fairly substantial amount of months of PSN/XBL time, for a lot less than MSRP.
Console gaming is an entirely different universe of ease of purchase for the hardware and ease of use of that hardware. You buy the console from one place and then play it. That PC parts list has us buying hardware from 5 different places. Individual pieces of hardware, which we have to put together. Individual pieces, all of which have a chance at failing.
And at least half of my builds over my life time, have had one part require RMA. Whereas ----- I have personally never experienced a problem with a console, inside of 5 years of use. Many people have. But, considering my PC part failure experiences: it feels like relatively better odds with 1 console as a whole unit Vs numerous PC parts for a build. And if I did need an RMA on a console. Well, you just RMA one thing.
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