New cards in July

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  1. NKD

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    No it doesn’t. You are applying experience from some games to all. Not how it works. Tiny screens? Lol!

    Lol rest of us know how to argument without losing our shit!

    Enough said!
     
  2. Brahmzy

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    Who’s losing their shit? Sounds like your panties are in a wad. Lots of “yelling”.
    And how would you know? You said you don’t use AA because 4K doesn’t need it, lol.
     
  3. NKD

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    As I said you prove my point. You have a way of disagreeing by throwing insults. There is nothing wrong with debating without putting others down!

    I got AA running at 1080 ti and played far cry 5 with AA and Tomb Raider with AA, averaging 60 fps no issues and smooth game play. To make it even better I grabbed a 8700k for $250 that will be here in a month and should make it even better from my 7600k when it comes to overall all smoothness. What I meant but not needing it is if it is detrimental to game play! I have it on right now and it is getting me 60+ frames and I have read reviews wither 8700k will help with overall gameplay. So I am going to feed it more CPU power. So if I was getting 50 avg fps I would likely turn AA off without any hesitation.

    I actually respect your opinion but I don't respect the way you conduct your debate by putting down others and their opinion. Things like "Rest of us do" and your tiny monitors, like some how people with 32 inch 4k screen are inferior than you. Really?

    Plus I don't see where you thought I was yelling lol. You are making it seem like games are unplayable at 4k with 1080ti, which is certainly not the case.
     
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    You are flat out full of shit claiming 60 fps at 4k with any real AA in a game like Rise of Tomb Raider unless you turned down other settings.
     
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    I use TXAA or worst case FXAA and all is good.. No need for legacy MSAA.
     
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    Same here but people are too damn disrespectful here at times so I didn’t even feel the need to respond to them at times. Could have easily asked me what settings I am using instead of accusing me of lying lol.

    I have everything very high in tomb raider and fxaa at 4K dx12 and I average >60. Its whatever though not going to sit here and respond to nonsense. I never say it doesn't dip below 60 ever. I just said average.
     
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    I have the game right in front of me and know first hand you are full of shit claiming to average over 60 fps on all very high at 4k.

    Even on just the very high preset, which does not actually put everything on very high, a 1080 ti gets just over 50 fps. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_Ti_FTW2/21.html

    Even if you oced your card there is zero chance you would be averaging over 60 fps on just the very high preset never mind actually having everything on very high like you are claiming.
     
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    Dude I don't know what to tell you. I have my 1080ti running over 2ghz consistent on the core. I have my i5 7600k running at 4.9 ghz, and memory at 3000mhz. So I am not sure, may be the drivers have improved. How did TPU test? Did they run the bench? In the bench I have 70 overall average. I can run the bench for you and show you. Can I upload a video here?

    Ask me any question you want but don't use that tone accusing me of shit! Where do I upload the video of the bench to show you? let me know if this site supports I sure will.


    Here is a bench screenshot. I am sure you won’t believe me still. everything is very high. Cuz I not a fuckin lier that you claim I am. Come over have a beer and run the bench yourself. this is Dx 12 and the second image is dx 11 which is faster.
     

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    I am talking about the actual game not the benchmark. You absolutely do NOT get over 60 fps average in the game with everything on very high. On just the very high preset you can in some areas with an oced 1080 ti but even then many areas cant. With everything manually cranked to very high you would get maybe 50 fps with a 1080 ti around 2000 mhz.

    In fact I just fired up the game and got a hair under 60 fps on the very high preset in the geothermal valley. With everything on very high I was dropping into the 40s quite a bit and averaged a hair over 50 fps with my 1080 ti at 1974 mhz.
     
  10. NKD

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    Not sure played for 30 mins. Was above 60 most of the time. Will there be dips? Sure. But you can’t take tpu bench for granted as he doesn’t even tell you what and where and how he benched it. I don’t know so far I haven’t seen 40 or 50. Mostly in the 60s in the 30 mins I played. Not sure may be different maps. May be you should run the bench and see what you are getting and compare it to mine?

    Like I said my experience is on the time I have played it. So you had every right to ask me how and why. But I just didn’t appreciate the way you approached the situation. No point jumping the gun and assuming I am lying about it.
     
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    I got 68.3 on the very high preset and 65 with everything actually on very high. That is with 1080 ti at 1974-2000 mhz/ 11400 mhz mem now which is little higher than earlier.

    Are you sure you actually have everything on very high??? The performance you are describing is more like the very high preset.

    EDIT: Here it is at 2000-2012 mhz/ 11400 mhz with everything manually put on very high. Here the low is 49 fps but it is certainly no where near averaging 60 fps much less over it.

    EDIT 2: Actually I did not have purehair on very high but everything else was. So really you can probably knock off yet another 1-2 fps if I had purehair on very high.

     
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    Yea it’s on very high. I double checked. At first I had motion blur disabled since I don’t like it. But then I tested it with it on just to be sure. Maybe I will find out more when I get a chance to play more.
     
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    The 980 Ti is still a fantastic card to this day, as long as you don't play in 4K. I have had no issues with mine at 1440p, heavily overclocked of course.

    There have been pretty much no games that truly push the graphics envelope in the last few years beyond what my card can handle and with no high refresh 4K screens available I have seen no need to go for a 1080 Ti even before they were "mining priced".
     
  14. Brahmzy

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    NKD is back pedaling. Run FRAPS during gameplay and try again. Not the canned benchmark, lol. Good grief.
    Or, just read the game reviews and save time. The info is out there in the game performance reviews so we don’t have to reinvent the wheel.
    You’re going against known facts and info that’s been out there for over a year.
    The 1080TI struggles to hold 60FPS @ 4K with AA. Now you admit that it does, but that you don’t want or need AA.
    Just stop defending your purchase. It’s a piece of depreciating hardware - quit defending it and taking things personally.

    The 1180TI will be a great card, and I’m hoping by a good margin over the 1080TI. Maybe then, an affordable single card solution will be able to run 4K proper.
     
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    A couple of people seem to have got up this morning and thought to themselves, "I think I'm going to act like a dick while talking to random strangers today."
     
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    The 1080ti will struggle with Battlefield V with AA. I would bet my life on it. I can't remember any time in history when even the most high end card did not struggle with the latest games at higher than mainstream resolutions WITH AA. In my experience you need to get to one or two generations newer than the game engine of high end hardware before you can get both the high resolution and the AA.

    That is especially true in games that feature outdoor settings with lots of trees and foliage.
     
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    I guess it depends on your definition of "high resolution"

    At 1440, my 1080ti/8700k runs Far Cry 5 at about 100fps with every setting maxed. Not even a challenge.
     
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    No, it won't struggle. Slightly more optimized Frostbite version than BF1. And at 4K, AA makes little diff in that game anyway.
     
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    Go back and read I said if you struggling to get 60fps you can adjust a setting or two to do so in those games. If its makes it playable to turn of AA at 4k its worth it, or you can drop to 1440p and enoy it. You act like I said in every game you can get 60 fps guaranteed. I played the damn game for 30 mins yesterday, I got over 60 consistently. Now I was being honest hey I didn't try every map so may be in some areas on another map it will struggle. I was open to that. Since when being honest is back peddling?

    I don't take shit personally. I say it like it is. You wake up in the morning and go on accusing me again. Heck even me and Misterbobby here put our differences aside and actually presented our findings.

    As always if I find the card struggle i will drop it to 1440p and enjoy the shit out of it while you have waited 4 years to enjoy 4k. You act like I ever said I was going to play all my games at 4k. You took few sentences and have been hammering it like it was everything I ever dreamed of. lol

    I am going to go enjoy my shit and blow some shit up while you wait for 1180ti! haha
     
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  20. NKD

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    LOL you may have just become a target for saying at 4k, AA makes a little difference in that game.. Hahaha.
     
  21. Brahmzy

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    I guess I have higher standards. Consistent high frame rates and AA. Call me crazy. I like things to look good.

    Now you have to play games at 1440 on your 2160p monitor to get consistent frame rates from your 1080TI? I believe it - NOW you're finally talking truth.
     
  22. Wyodiver

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    Hopefully the price will be around $1242.97, ya know, to keep the riff-raff out.
     
  23. NKD

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    I give up man. LOL. At no point I ever said every single game will run at 60+ fps on 1080ti. I said you can adjust a few settings in the games you cant. But you keep misrepresenting what I originally said. LOL you win bro! My 1080ti sucks at 4k. Lets move on!
     
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    I don't think anybody is saying AA doesn't improve image quality. What NKD is saying, and I agree with him is that you can cut AA on 4K displays and save a lot of load on the GPU with very little to no penalty on your graphic quality. If you've got the GPU muscle to run 4K at max settings and get 60-144 FPS that's great but if not, trim the AA back a bit or completely as a good trade off because unless you're running a 55" screen, you'll be hard pressed to see the difference between full tilt AA, FXAA or even none at all on a 4K screen.
     
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  25. Fuzzy_3D

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    What is your 8700k clocked at?

    Can you run the FC5 benchmark with the graphics on max and see what your avg,max,min are?

    Doesn't look like 144 fps @1440p is possible with current hardware, even the Titan V :confused:.
     
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    I believe my 8700k is at 4.6Ghz

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    Doesn't look like anyone knows anything yet. Honestly at this point we haven't even seen any leaks or even a 3d mark or even a any other benchmark leak in any data base. I honestly think he wasnt bullshitting here. Doesn't look like Nvidia is ready to release anything yet. I mean why would they, Pascal is still selling for more than MSRP. Record profits, they can hold back the next gen as they deem fit. I mean whats the advantage of releasing faster cards and dropping the price on current cards to make room. So it all makes sense when the current cards are selling for more than original launch price 2 years ago. Crazy isn't it. lol

    https://videocardz.com/newz/jensen-huang-next-geforce-is-a-long-time-from-now
     
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    What do we know about Nvidia's current GPU supply though? Did they actually stop making Pascal chips?
     
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    That's how I feel every day, although I try to contain myself :p
     
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    Memory might be going, but I seems to remember Pascal production (at least G104) was to stop in May.

    Huang may be playing coy here (with some very good reasons to be vague), so take it for what it's worth, but apparently 1180 launch is "a long time from now". The bones now tell me we're looking at a likely late August launch, but again, NVidia is jockeying supply constraints, yields, and remaining Pascal supply so dates may shift. Whatever the exact date, launch will almost assuredly be in Q3.
     
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    Or not. Nvidia CEO says not for a “long time”. I wouldn’t call July a “long time” from June.
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/3278095/components-graphics/no-geforce-gpus-g-sync-bfgds-nvidia.html
     
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    Everyone seems to have completely mis-read the scene on this one.

    It's more like this:

    Reporter: 'When are the Volta Geforce cards coming out?'
    Jensen: 'Don't worry about that.' (don't ask)
    Reporter: 'Not even a hint!?'
    Jensen: *pause*, *smile/smirk, *waves hand into the distance* 'A long time from now'. (don't ask)


    Those words mean absolutely nothing. How is that not obvious!
     
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    The GTX1150 has its work cut out for it - the GTX 1050Ti (not the base GTX 1050) redefined what the floor could be (and wrecked the long-suffering GTX 750 Ti in the process - which AMD couldn't do). Unless it's another game-changer, I may well skip this cycle due to crypto-related shens with pricing likely continuing (look what it did merely to Pascal in its tailchase) - and it won't be the first time I did it (I skipped Kepler).
     
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    Why to keep upgrading? you are already hurting the performance of that GTX 1050Ti with that POS G3258... upgrading will be of no benefit until you replace that CPU with something decent, if this trend of generational GPU performance jump the gtx 1150Ti will be at GTX 1060 which it's A LOT for a dual core and most quad core until at least 4.5ghz are reached.
     
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    Yeah it would be stupid to upgrade from a 1050 ti with a pathetic G3258. IMO the G3258 was one of the dumbest products you could buy for gaming as it was on its way to being obsolete right after launch. Hell within a year there were already a couple games that would not even launch with a 2 core/ 2 thread cpu and plenty of other games were a stutterfest or would freeze up at times. Even 4 cores get fully pegged in most modern games now and several games will even peg all 8 threads of my i7 at times. For example n Watch Dogs 2 I am fully cpu limited at times with my cpu at 100% and cant even maintain 60 fps.

    Bottom line is if you are playing games that need more gpu power than a 1050 ti then you also need a better cpu than the G3258 in most cases. And really there are plenty of games that will not even be remotely playable on that cpu if they even launch at all. And do not be fooled by looking at just the average fps as plenty of games my appear to run fine on a 2 core cpu but the actual playability is a mess.
     
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  37. GoldenTiger

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    The TV 4k desktop players are definitely a minority. Nice try.
     
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  38. Brahmzy

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    Minority or not, AA is still needed at 4K unless you're blind. Are you blind?
     
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    Diabetes and Diabetic peripheral neuropathy can kill quickly. I have both,just like him,can barely walk,hands and feet are near numb.. Very strict Diet and light exercises help . DPN ,is One of the most painful diseases believe it or not. DPN can spread super fast,1st to your feet ,with light tingling or numbness, then hands,then chest and eyes. Its progressive, and can only be slowed down a bit,never stopped. It will spread through his whole body eventually. The support groups,I attend has seen alot of suicides because of the debilitating pain,which narcotics do almost zero for,some anti epilepsy drugs help,but most do not.
     
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    Wrong.
     
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