New cards in July

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  1. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    You literally just proved my point. Good grief. Think about what you just wrote. AA has to do with PPI, as I stated. DUH!!!!
     
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    You are still wrong regarding AA on 8K/16K unless we are talking about something like a 120+ inch monitor.
     
  3. misterbobby

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    You are clueless. 8k on a 120 inch screen would be like 1080p on a freaking 30 inch screen which would be horrendous as for as jaggies go in games.
     
  4. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Nobody sits 1’ away from a 120” screen. You can’t even see the pixel structure on a 1080p projector at a typical viewing distance and the difference between 2k and 4K is said to be immaterial to all but the most eagle eyed enthusiast on home theater projectors.

    You do realize modern commercial theaters often use 4K projectors on 60-80’ screens. You don’t see the pixels on those screens even at that size from your seated position.

    PPI concern is relative to distance from the screen.
     
  5. misterbobby

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    If you do not need any AA for games on a 120 inch 8k screen then you do not need it for a 30 inch screen with 1080p either which of course is BS.
     
  6. readeh

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    Oh yes, so clueless.
    16K would be 4K on a 30 inch monitor, but that's beside the point as the distance to the monitor would be huge considering a 120 inch monitor is 265.66cm wide and 149.44 tall.. You would have to sit on the opposite side of the room to get any joy out of it and at that distance you would lose a lot of detail. Our eyes get gradually worse at seeing details when it comes to further distances which is also why VR in 8K still won't be enough for us as we would still be able to see the pixels on the screen.
     
  7. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    Completely clueless. Just stop already. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Give up and go away.
     
  8. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    So let’s put it to the test

    Here’s my 144” cinema scope (Seymour XD acoustic transparent fabric)

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    Projected from a 2012 Panasonic AE8000U 1080p projector

    Here’s a picture from 1-2’ away
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    Here’s a picture from my seats about 11’ away
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    Surely on 144” scope screen pixels would be a nuisance at 1080p right?

    No

    I can’t see them from my seat.


    As a camera reference here is a picture about six inches away from my Alienware 34” 3440x1440 resolution monitor
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  9. readeh

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    Pretty sad to see you giving false information here on Hardforum, especially when you don't know how the eye works and how distance have a huge saying on overall detail. I can calculate the detail loss depending on overall distance so you can get a better understanding of it. Also take a look at Archaea's pictures.
     
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    Guys, AA makes a difference, just leave it at that.

    People used to say that I shouldn't be able to see the difference between 4k and 1080p sitting 8' away from a 55" screen because of those stupid viewing distance charts. They are nonsense. I noticed a huge difference. I also notice AA or a lack thereof on 4k content on my 75" display. It is extremely noticeable.

    Are you guys convincing yourself AA is unnecessary at high resolutions because you can't afford the proper hardware to do it? I'm not sure I follow the logic.
     
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  11. Brahmzy

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    THIS!!! They're trying to justify the 1080Ti they bought or something. Guess what? I'm going to buy an 1180Ti and it'll be obsolete by the time it hits my porch. That's how it goes. Quit trying to justify your purchases!
     
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    Um, news flash, projectors don't count. They are naturally a blurry mess by nature. This is common knowledge - even by most honest projector guys.

    There has never been anything crisp or razor sharp about projectors, or DLPs, or RPTVs or anything based on projector tech.

    We're talking LED/OLED where a single pixel has crisp defined edges. Not plasmas, not CRTs, not projectors. Good grief.
     
  13. misterbobby

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    Sigh, we are talking about GAMES here and you are a blind motherfucker if you can't see aliasing in games at 1080p on a 30-inch monitor and the same would go for 8K on a 120 inch.
     
  14. John721

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    Those projector photos look fantastic. Nice setup.
     
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  15. Archaea

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    Thanks, I enjoy it.

    Here's the room thread so I don't go any further off topic...
    https://www.avsforum.com/forum/15-g...rchaea-s-multi-purpose-home-theater-room.html

    I suppose context was important - but my point was I'm heavy into the home theater hobby and I've seen a couple different 25,000 - $50,000 home theater projectors - including the new Sony Laser 4K $50k projector. Pixels and PPI are NOT a problem - even on a huge screen. 8K at 120" doesn't sound like the realm of monitors or TVS (at 120 inch) so my mind immediately went to home theater -- which I use for gaming and PC display regularly.

    Point being - with the anti screen door tech some of the projectors use - 1920x1080 is not even pixelated at 144" - so the member saying 8K resolution at 120" would be a mess --- well he just hasn't seen a good home theater setup --- simple as that. We have AMC Prime theaters in Kansas City (AMC is headquartered here) They have the best Laser projectors in the business - and still use 4K projectors at many high end theaters --- 8K is still really new - but even with 4K - pixels aren't a problem on absolutely HUGE commercial theaters.

    Okay - so the tech isn't the same as a computer monitor - - - but it could bleed over as these resolutions move to displays -- assuming 8K will be be a pixel problem on a big screen is nonsense IMO. Especially when you consider as the display gets bigger the seating position obviously moves back!!! Many many tests done over at avsforum.com say the difference between 2k and 4k is almost in placebo territory with current tech for enthusiasts home theater use (specifically talking about 2K/e-shift on the JVCs). We aren't even talking about 8k there.

    I'm listening to my setup right now on the Dave Matthews Bluray with 13 JBL Line Arrays I picked up just this month to test out. Pretty enjoyable - still haven't determined if I'll keep them over my 11 matching Mackie Pro Audio speakers that are my typical setup. But they look really cool, and they were used in AMC Prime which is where I was first introduced to them.

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  16. TahoeDust

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    So....New card in July?
     
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    Sweet looking setup Archaea. I love my HT too. I have nothing like that though. So Jelly :p
     
  18. Brahmzy

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    Hope so!!!
     
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    I stopped reading after the following:
    "The list of things that we know—that we're absolutely certain are correct and will not change—can basically be summarized into a single word: nothing"
     
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    Right.

    So I guess we'll see.
     
  23. Comixbooks

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    Yeah that was a big speculation article written by Maximum PC or PC Gamer.
     
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  24. Q-BZ

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    Too bad. I was hoping someone around here had a nugget to pick off. They should know better. Sorry I bothered with it.
     
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    They're all speculation pieces but PC Gamer isn't just a random rag, they've been around a while and an educated guess from them is worth listening to.
     
  26. ronan_zj

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    I don't think we will see new card in July, maybe July 2019
     
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    The first person or web site to get a copy will profit from clicks and views alone. That is what you are seeing now that Vietnamese site that had a copy of the 1180 in stock got free advertising for their web store.
     
  28. NKD

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    That was a photo shop all the way. Proven already.
     
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    LOL. I hope you aren't serious. I suspect wishful thinking.

    With that said I don't think we'll see a new NV card in July. Late August to mid-September is my guess.
     
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    Rumor is cards are going to be expensive like 999 fo 1080 or even higher. May be its if they have bunch of Pascal inventory still availability? Or may be they will be releasing 1180ti first? Not sure so this time around we might have even higher price tag due to no competition I guess. I think Nvidia for sure will test the waters to see how they sell at even higher premium.
     
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    Any rumor that says the x80 is going to be $1K isn't worth reading. NV didn't get where they are by being stupid. I can't believe people are falling for this shit. That would mean x70 $750 and x60 around $450. No way, no how.
     
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    Not if they only release top and leave Pascal as it is for mid range for now. People who want the fastest performance pay premium and I am sure they will.
     
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    Sure, I'll pay $1K for a real 1180 Ti. I won't touch a x80 for $1K unless it's 50% better performance that a 1080 Ti.
     
  34. Brahmzy

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    Are we there yet?
     
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    If Tweaktown is to believed 1180 Ti will be $1500 and launch soon after 1180. In that case it's probably just a Titan V with GDDR6.
     
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    That would be pretty underwhelming considering the amount of time since the 1080 Ti has been out, and the higher price. I would hope for a bigger bump than the Titan V since it wouldn't have the tensor hardware.
     
  37. pippenainteasy

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    Titan V without the tensor cores would be like a 660mm² card just with the 5376 cuda cores. There's no way Nvidia would build a 815mm² card with just CUDA cores for gamers lol.
     
  38. Archaea

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    But why?

    I used to have two 1080TI in my gaming rig. I sold one of them because I couldn't tell the difference, with G-Sync, between 70FPS (the toughest game's framerates on my setup) and higher FPS.

    I'm running a Alienware 34" @ 120Hz refresh rate. (3440x1440)

    G-sync makes it so anything over 40FPS is completely fine IMO. Until just this week the most strenuous game I've played was Vermintide 2, which could put my stock 1080TI in the mid to low 70FPS range. Every other game I own performed better. (absolute max settings for all games).

    This week, I bought Hunt Showdown (in early access - Cryotek engine), and it's putting my GPU in the mid 50's average FPS at max settings. Getting low right? Absolutely DOES NOT MATTER. Still feels completely smooth with G-Sync. I really think G-Sync is the winning technology. It's going to let me go much longer between card upgrades going forward I think. I have zero desire to buy a new card for gaming. It allowed me to sell one of my 1080TI, and still get the same experience. No longer am I trying to chase capping out my monitors refresh rate with the newest tech - because I just can't tell the difference.. Now I can be satisfied so long as it stays in the G-Sync range.
     
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  39. misterbobby

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    There are plenty of games on "absolute max settings" that will drop a 1080 ti below 70 fps at 3440x1440. You either do not have many demanding games or you throw around the term "absolute max settings" without really thinking much of it.
     
  40. Archaea

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    I don't own any. I own a couple hundred titles in my Steam library.
    Vermintide 2 was previously the most demanding game I owned.
    Whether the number is FPS is 50, 70 or 40 --- point is - I'm in the range of satisfaction so long as G-sync is active. High 30's is when I start feeling something is up and looking up at the FPS counter in the corner to see if something's wrong, and the only time I get that is if I'm crypto mining, and playing a little indy title at the same time. I used to be annoyed anytime my frame rates deviated off 60FPS --- for years...before the frame rate syncing technology. I could tolerate 50's, but I could tell it wasn't as smooth as constant 60. Now 50's feels as good as 70 or faster.
     
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