[Kepler/GTX 680] Info's in... $400-450? + benches + thermals (56k warning)

Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by GoldenTiger, Mar 16, 2012.

  1. MavericK

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    Yeah. Out of all the people that buy these cards I'm guessing a lot of them probably don't overclock. This debate seems to be another issue of "the people on [H] are not the majority".
     
  2. ICDP

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    Yeah, the idea that overclocking potential should be the deciding factor in what GPU to purchase has always been laughable to me.

    I have bought scores of GPUs in my time and I rarely get a GPU that gets remotely near the OC "review" versions get.
     
  3. jeremyshaw

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    Well, factory OC is fine by me, too. Which is why I care for [H] OC'd card reviews.
     
  4. gamingarena23

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    Unless is 7970's series which OC at 1125/1575 at more then 90% of the cards which is guaranteed 20% or more OC...
     
  5. biggston

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    There was a rumor that nvidia will use something to manipulate scores but i don't remember for witch benchmarking software. lol
     
  6. Tudz

    Tudz [H]ardness Supreme

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    In my experience GPU overclocking just isn't that reliable so I take stock values for GPU benchmarks and overclocks as "well, maybe, but probably not". I think a lot of people run their cards well beyond their design points and shorten the lives of the cards or have other issues. Hell, even a lot of factory overclocked cards you hear 6 months to a year later people are having to downclock them to standard values to keep them stable.

    I know my 4870 I had previously, overclocking it on stock cooling and the core would get too hot, put an aftermarket cooler on and the core was fine, but the VRMs would cook (which a lot of people probably wouldn't even notice). My GTX460 I overclocked a bit, no where near what people were claiming, within a week it was artifacting despite very low temps, I suspect the RAM and or voltage regulators were overheating, but there's no thermistor on them so who knows.

    For the most part I just don't think its worth the effort when it comes to overclocking GPUs. CPUs is a different matter thanks to the plethora of cheap, easy to install and extremely efficient after market cooling solutions.
     
  7. biggston

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    Most of the times is when you OC the memory,but not always.
    But you can cool them with some thermal paste.That is what i do :p
    I never buy after market cooling unless the card is to noisy.
     
  8. xorbe

    xorbe [H]ardness Supreme

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    Hand in your [H] badge!!!

    732 -> 805 is an easy +10% on any 570 ... totally worth it! Hopefully this new 680 card will be a similar story.
     
  9. StricKeN

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    I didn't mean to base my statement on just OC ability. I do understand that not everyone can OC the same. My bad, I apologize. I guess I was referring to something like how many 7970s can reach 1025 fairly easily, and 1125+ is certainly not uncommon. Not guaranteed by any stretch, but very doable. I shouldn't discredit stock cards, I was trying to convey my intent to OC to whatever extent I can.
     
  10. WorldExclusive

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    AMD OC isn't as linear to clocks like nV is.
    A 20% OC could result in up to 15% increase. This number is higher or lower depending upon the game. The actual in game increase is what should be measured.
    You may have a 20% OC, but only a 10-13% increase, so it's really not a benefit to pick that card based on OC potential. Stock clock comparisons will always be the measuring stick for overall performance.
    OC increases are just a bonus for the consumer.

    I just bought two GTX 480s, one OC like a champ and the other like ass. Two of the same cards, but different OC potential.
     
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  11. ebduncan

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    I guess you didn't read many 7970 reviews.

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/02/08/gigabyte_radeon_hd_7970_oc_video_card_review/9

    The 7XXX Series responds very well to overclocking.
     
  12. Forceman

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  13. TroyX

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    thats almost a 400mhz overclock with 7970, but only 25% better performance, its ok i guess.

    but i do remember seeing oc'd fermi's getting 15-20% improvement with just 100mhz overclock.
     
  14. shansoft

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    NO way up to 20%, it was 700Mhz based clock, so 100 would mean about 14% OC.

    Also, they both scale none-linear. I have no clue where people get that "linear scaling" from.

    I used to have a GTX 480 @ 880Mhz, and there NO WAY the performance increase is anywhere linear to the clock increase.
     
  15. WorldExclusive

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    Your correct. Neither willl be 100% linear, therefore non-linear.

    Hopefully a few people realize this when purchasing those special OC edition cards.
    The minor 10-15% net boost in performance has more impact on your wallet than in games.
     
  16. xoleras

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    EVGA 680 is showing up in various listings for 579.99. It is not available for order yet until Thursday though.
     
  17. AthlonXP

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    Any sights you know of?? I figure this looks to be a hard launch. Hope to get my hands on a pair for this weekend..
     
  18. ShuttleLuv

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    Athlon XP, I would wait a bit until prices come down. They will be very inflated upon arrival and even with hard launches, half these distributors never carry a huge stock. I expect most places will be sold out for a few weeks. This is usually what has happened, but we'll see.
     
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    I wouldn't expect prices to drop too quickly from whatever the MSRP comes in at. The 7970 came out @ 550 and it's still around there, though you can get a discount on them for buying more than one at certain places.
     
  20. xoleras

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    I would completely disagree. If you want a 680 buy it on day one, because stock is limited.

    Furthermore, prices won't change! MSRP appears to be 549.99 for normal versions, 579.99 for superclocked!
     
  21. KickAssCop

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    Well fudzilla quoting price to be 499...
     
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    damn its gonna be hella expensive isnt it lol.
     
  24. wonderfield

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    Well, NVIDIA seems to have gotten step one right. Now the question is whether they can execute on step two: pricing and volume.
     
  25. DeathPrincess

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    These charts are all wrong...

    [​IMG]

    The greens and blues represent different AA, but theres no indication of what red indicates...:p

    I hope the noise levels are true (even though this wont mean anything when its covered in copper and water and antifreeze).

    Hopfully this means well be seeing some official reviews soon.
     
  26. Porter_

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    looks pretty damn impressive. beats the 7970 in general while consuming less power (not that i particularly care about power consumption). i see why they feel they can release at $549.
     
  27. Digital Viper-X-

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    so, how many people are going to cry about this only being 30-40% faster than the GTX580 :)? all the same ones that complained about the 7970 being only 40-50% faster than the 6970??
     
  28. jorojr

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    Looks like I'll be eBaying two 6870's and three 6950's soon. Let's see some SLI Surround benchmarks!
     
  29. senatorstevens

    senatorstevens n00b

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    Trolling? :confused:

    The red hues are simply to highlight the card being reviewed among the other contenders. You should be able to figure out what they represent by looking at the rest of the chart, easily.

    Not an uncommon method to use when drawing up bench charts (Anandtech, Tom's, and many others do this).
     
  30. teiresias

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    Nice charts, can someone do the math and tell me what my percentage increase from a 460 SLI setup would be with a single 680?
     
  31. aintz

    aintz [H]ard|Gawd

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    the red indicates the card being reviewed... use your brain...
     
  32. Porter_

    Porter_ [H]ardness Supreme

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    there's a short in your sarcasm detector. the ":p" should be pretty obvious.
     
  33. wonderfield

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    It was a joke, as indicated by the emoticon.
     
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  35. Porter_

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    460 SLI is comparable to a GTX 580 so the info is already there.
     
  36. reaper12

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    lol so true. You are spot on Digital :D
     
  37. tycoonheart

    tycoonheart n00b

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    Even if they price this thing at $550, we can probably expect AMD to lower the price on 7970.
     
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  39. WorldExclusive

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