[Kepler/GTX 680] Info's in... $400-450? + benches + thermals (56k warning)

GoldenTiger said:
It's saying the current target is 100%, which shows a base clock of ~1000mhz in the blue arrow and boost of ~1060mhz in the orange one in the picture...
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which could be configurable......
I'd like to know what hes running his CPU at, I can run a comparison run on a single 7970 later on to find out, I have a 2600k as well.

fps4ever said:
Why a lower 1600x900 laptop resolution????
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Good Question :) not sure
 
xoleras said:
Is this insider info? Why would gigabyte purposely put crippled drivers in the package?
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They don't purposely put crippled drivers in the package, but they have to get the discs ready early enough that they can't put the most current drivers available in them. It happens all the time when there isn't a certified driver available pre-release (which is rare nowadays).
 
Blazemore said:
Batman AC: 4x MSAA, 16xAF, Global Settings on very high, PhysX off (to compare to AMD)
112 FPS at 1300/6500 on 1920x1080.
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Wow, good overclocker too then and I doubt that's the max since he just got the thing.

lolitsallwrong of OCN regarding the original "bad" kepler result said:
Too many people are going to be all "blah blah i don't believe you they're fake!" I just had to step in here and set the terrifying results from the OP straight. They are bogus. Just wait for launch. It's not far away.
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Forceman said:
They don't purposely put crippled drivers in the package, but they have to get the discs ready early enough that they can't put the most current drivers available in them. It happens all the time when there isn't a certified driver available pre-release (which is rare nowadays).
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Yup pretty much standard now, release day usually gets you a fresh driver set for download!
 
I think he misread GTX570. Anyhow, I generally disreguard TWIMTBP results (also disbarring how Batman AA/AC runs well on the PS3, anyways - also, at least it didn't take creating a disc image and mounting it for my PC two DVD version :rolleyes: to even install).
 
jeremyshaw said:
I think he misread GTX570. Anyhow, I generally disreguard TWIMTBP results (also disbarring how Batman AA/AC runs well on the PS3, anyways - also, at least it didn't take creating a disc image and mounting it for my PC two DVD version :rolleyes: to even install).
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Yeah I dunno why they insist on testing only certain TWIMTBP titles that obviously perform better on nvidia hardware, it would be like if all 7970 leaks were from Deus Ex and Shogun 2.

edit: then again, the 7970 easily does 100+ FPS average at those same exact settings too, so it doesn't really say much about the performance.
 
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SonDa5 said:
Seems like the new standard in top tier video cards is performance at extreme resolution on multiple displays,
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The benchmarks I'll be looking for are for Surround. Cannot game unless it's across 3 screens and my single 7970 allows me to do that.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Nice, yep it confirms the stock clock & turbo clock (1006mhz & 1059mhz respectively) plus uses proper 300.99 launch drivers & GPU-Z 0.6.0 with Kepler support.

Heaven/GPU-Z shot (it was run in windowed mode which he thinks may be why heaven shows wrong gpu):
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In his computer:


This thing is a beast... can't wait for availability.




See above. It indeed is supposed to be 1006mhz/1059mhz normal/turbo.

EDIT: Here's a stock 7970 for comparison: GTX 680 35% faster at same settings stock-to-stock comparison... jeez...

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AA doesnt work in windowed mode. that would make quite a bit of difference in the score...
 
Haste266 said:
AA doesnt work in windowed mode. that would make quite a bit of difference in the score...
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If true, that would would make a lot of difference. Especially with the extreme settings enabled. Funny that it says 4xAA Windowed though. Again, why are they running these tests at laptop lcd resolutions?!
 
Man I can't wait for legitimate reviews...at least most review websites know what they are doing for the most part. :(
 
Hitmanthe3rd said:
The benchmarks I'll be looking for are for Surround. Cannot game unless it's across 3 screens and my single 7970 allows me to do that.
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Same here. I'm looking to replace Tri-Fire (unlocked) 6950's with a pair of Keplers. I'm really wanting to reduce the heat and noise output of this box. I'm hoping it'll let me do Surround group + 1 Aux monitor like my current setup does.
 
tycoonheart said:
lol, I wonder if that guy knew this or if it was a legitimate mistake.
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Hehehe... AA & low resolutions... I highly doubt those are 2 "mistakes"... ;)

I also agree with others that unless we are talking about multi-monitor resolutions it's all rather moot..
 
Definately impressive scores there for the GTX 680, even though at tha resolution it is kind of pointless. I would love to see how it works at 2560x1600.

I will have to raise an eyebrow at the "stock" implication here though. It is clear that the GTX 680 runs at 705 MHz unless you use the control panel, or 3rd party software to set the base clock and the boost clock to higher numbers. Essentially this is just a different way to "overclock" your GPU, similar to simply going into our GPU control panel and setting our current Nvidia or AMD GPUs to higher 3D clock speeds?

Am I the only one seeing this as splitting hairs so to speak? Am I wrong in thinking that GPU-Z is simply reading base clock as stock clock?

Regardless, I suppose it doesn't matter if it is ~20% faster than HD 7970 at 2560x1600 I will get one.
 
Haste266 said:
AA doesnt work in windowed mode. that would make quite a bit of difference in the score...
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Wow, talk about skewed benchmarks. I really hope this was an honest mistake (I didn't know this either). Lot of FUD going around even with a retail 680 out there. We've seen everything but apples-to-apples comparisons of the 7970 and 680.

One is OC'd, the other isn't
680 is running at ~700mhz, not sure if GPU-Z error or turbo mode off/idle state on
Different CPUs/resolution
One uses AA, other doesn't
One supposedly using PCIe x16 1.1 lane
 
edge929 said:
Wow, talk about skewed benchmarks. I really hope this was an honest mistake (I didn't know this either). Lot of FUD going around even with a retail 680 out there. We've seen everything but apples-to-apples comparisons of the 7970 and 680.

One is OC'd, the other isn't
680 is running at ~700mhz, not sure if GPU-Z error or turbo mode off/idle state on
Different CPUs/resolution
One uses AA, other doesn't
One supposedly using PCIe x16 1.1 lane
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OMG...a voice of reason. Get outta here now! :p
 
Dang - still not fast enough. Still need SLi for my 30". I guess I wasn't expecting it to be.

So is this nV's "Tick" and we'll see a lower process "Tock" later? These would be the 685's or 780's, depending on how nV feels that day?
I typically buy the Tock's as they run a whole lot cooler/quieter. Plus my 2 580's are still gettin' the job done, for the most part. Certain AA in some games presents a challenge for them. But by far, the best grphics card "investment" I've made yet. They've been able to play pretty much everything without issue for quite a while now.
 
edge929 said:
One supposedly using PCIe x16 1.1 lane
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This is just a power saving feature that a lot of cards have. Both my 7970 and my GT 430s have it.

I agree with the other points, though I have a feeling the GPU-Z thing is either just an error, or he's not using the proper drivers.
 
Dang - still not fast enough. Still need SLi for my 30". I guess I wasn't expecting it to be.

So is this nV's "Tick" and we'll see a lower process "Tock" later? These would be the 685's or 780's, depending on how nV feels that day?
I typically buy the Tock's as they run a whole lot cooler/quieter. Plus my 2 580's are still gettin' the job done, for the most part. Certain AA in some games presents a challenge for them. But by far, the best grphics card "investment" I've made yet. They've been able to play pretty much everything without issue for quite a while now.
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The 680 is a tock. It is already moved to 28nm, and is basically redesigned. Amd is also on a tock with the 7XXX series new structure (GCN) and 28nm process.

the 680 is actually going to be the gk104, while their high end card set to release will be Gk110. I wouldn't hold your breath for the Gk110 right now though.
 
those batman numbers are not very good, a 7950 @ stock with Extreme settings and 1920x1200 4x AA gets 79fps (extreme from what I understand is higher and uses DX11)
 
If people are unsure of windowed affecting perf, why don't they run a quick test on their own rigs, both window and full? I believe offhand it doesn't change anything but I don't have a card to test with that is modern right now as I sent the 7950oc back to amazon to get kepler on thursday.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
those batman numbers are not very good, a 7950 @ stock with Extreme settings and 1920x1200 4x AA gets 79fps (extreme from what I understand is higher and uses DX11)
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Batman standard bench is so heavily driver optimized and done indoors unlike the rest of he bulk of the game, that it isn't representative of any performance inco
 
im d/ling heaven v3.0(geez they update this thing too much)...only on a 1mb connect, so ill have some windowed/full screen numbers from a 7970 in about 30-45 min.
 
Haste266 said:
im d/ling heaven v3.0(geez they update this thing too much)...only on a 1mb connect, so ill have some windowed/full screen numbers from a 7970 in about 30-45 min.
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Thanks sir!

Edit: someone on ocn did and said this...

I ran it in both full screen and widowed and it was the same. now get back over to hardforums and keep those guys straight. lol






So it is real.
 
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I can run them; I didn't say I would. Too many people are going to be all "blah blah i don't believe you they're fake!" I just had to step in here and set the terrifying results from the OP straight. They are bogus. Just wait for launch. It's not far away.

Batman AC: 4x MSAA, 16xAF, Global Settings on very high, PhysX off (to compare to AMD)
112 FPS at 1300/6500 on 1920x1080.

Cheers

http://www.overclock.net/t/1231113/gigabyte-gtx-680-2gb-already-arrive-at-my-shop/430#post_16751424 wow
 
brent are you guys going to do a stock review first and then revisit the review with an OC one?
 
same results for me in windowed/full with my 7970 @ 1125/1600

not sure where i got/read the info that nvidia couldnt do AA in windowed, but it seems they can.

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Brent_Justice said:
maybe, but probably not
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But, but, but! How will I know where to throw my money if you don't compare OC vs OC :(

My worst fear is "stock kepler beats stock 7970" so I go and buy one, then find out it doesn't overclock well, and max reasonable OC vs max reasonable OC on the AMD card equates to an overall AMD win

I just want whichever card gives the best performance at it's OC ceiling. But I guess that's probably a lot of folk, haha.
 
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Those benchmarks from Heaven look like BS. Look at the driver version pictured: Intel HD 3000? It will always list your discrete card. Further, he also registered as a first time poster to upload that "benchmark."

I'm sure people will attack me for even suggesting there's a problem with the picture, but it should not show Intel HD 3000 in the heaven results.

Whatever. Looking forward to the HardOCP review.
 
StricKeN said:
But, but, but! How will I know where to throw my money if you don't compare OC vs OC :(

My worst fear is "stock kepler beats stock 7970" so I go and buy one, then find out it doesn't overclock well, and max reasonable OC vs max reasonable OC on the AMD card equates to an overall AMD win

I just want whichever card gives the best performance at it's OC ceiling. But I guess that's probably a lot of folk, haha.
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You could also read a review where they overclock the 680 by 70%, then go out and buy one and yours struggles at 5%. :p
 
xoleras said:
Those benchmarks from Heaven look like BS. Look at the driver version pictured: Intel HD 3000? It will always list your discrete card. Further, he also registered as a first time poster to upload that "benchmark."

I'm sure people will attack me for even suggesting there's a problem with the picture, but it should not show Intel HD 3000 in the heaven results.

Whatever. Looking forward to the HardOCP review.
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I'm not calling them fake but they are suspect. If you look at the OPs benchmark results they correctly identify thet GPU as a GK104. (scroll down to Ironman's post).

http://www.overclock.net/t/1231113/gigabyte-gtx-680-2gb-already-arrive-at-my-shop/100

The guy (lolitsallwrong ) who posted the correct GTX 680 results shows his GPU as an Intel(R) HD Graphics Family. It shows this in both windowed and full screen mode. Again I stress that I am not calling them fake, but they do look suspect due to this error.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1231113/gigabyte-gtx-680-2gb-already-arrive-at-my-shop/540

Why would Heaven 3.0 show GK104 correctly for Ironman but not for lolitsallwrong?
 
DeathPrincess said:
You could also read a review where they overclock the 680 by 70%, then go out and buy one and yours struggles at 5%. :p
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Yeah, I always find it best to compare stock, then do some research into what overclocks people are getting and make a calculated judgment/guess based on that.
 
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