I agree with you completely.
Same here.
I like the card and the performance. I think they missed the mark on pricing. $129 might be a good launch point. Especially with the 5770-6870's still providing good value and performance.
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I agree with you completely.
I can't wait until the 6800 series is off the shelves. When the 7700 series is the low end card, when the price of it falls to about $130-$150. And that will be around this summer. People when saying it's a great card for 1920x1200 and lower budget machines. Right now, AMD is smiling. They have the angry/savvy buyers scooping up the 6850/70's, they have a newbies getting the newer tech in the 7700. Good job AMD. The 7800 series is what I'm keeping my eye on... if it can match the 6900 series in performance stock and go to close to 580 speeds for about $250, that would be ideal. But I do see a problem... Unlike the 6800 series, the 6900 series will be around for awhile methinks... meaning AMD won't be able to get away with pricing the 7800 series higher or at the same price as the 6900 series with the same performance. A 7870/50 will HAVE to be priced at $250/200, or people are just going to get 6970's/50's even though the 7800 isn't the 6900 replacement.
I'm prediciting this when 7700,7800,7900 are finally on shelves toghether :
NVIDIA releases Kepler (GK104) March/April ( releases a 580 equiv for $350-400)
7700 (replacing 6770 but has 6850/70 speed) pricepoint - $130-150
7800 (replacing 6870/50 but has 6970/50 speed) - $200-250
7900 (replacing 6970/50 but with 40-60% more performance than 6900 series) $400-450
Am I far off?
you are NOT getting last year's $239 performance though so please stop claiming that. the $179 factory oced 7770 only matches the stock 6850 which also released at $179 16 months ago and can be had for $129 now.
lol, maybe the 7870 will be a little slower than the 6950 and cost the same as the 6970.
and sorry but the stock 7770 only beating the 2.5 year old 5770 by just over 30% overall is a joke.
But as customers who only really care about price/performance, I don't think many people give a crap about that.
It may be a valid point, but if you're buying a new card you're probably not gonna be like, "Well, this card is newer and costs more for the same performance as a last-gen card that is now even cheaper, but this new one is 28nm so I'll go ahead and buy it."
Charlie D (cringe) said:In the end, we hear that prices for 28nm products just went up by somewhere between 15-25%, lets call it low 20′s. If 28nm wafers cost about $5000, this is around a $1000+ bump. You can probably understand why this would make GPU makers very unhappy, especially if you look at the 28nm lineups we exclusively published a few weeks ago.
I am pretty sure the article stated that the 7770 is not an upgrade for the 560....
How hard is it for you to understand that the 7770 (over clocked 10%) gives the exact same game play experience as a 6870 and a 560 ti? Further, how is it so hard for you to understand that the 6870 was priced at $240 when released, thus, the 7770 gives us last years mid-high range card performance for $80 less.
Why dont you go back to the Nvidia forum already and keep wishing for the mythical Kepler that is supposedly around every corner ready to jump out and completely decimate AMD.
Uhh, HD 7770 uses GCN, not VLIW4.
yes it uses GCN. did you even look at any reviews?You sure about that?
It would be truly impressive, if Radeon 6850 did not exist, which is both cheaper AND faster.This card is giving you the option of playing a game on it's highest playable settings, for a low-budget and supposedly low performance purchase. True, in a few game generations you will not be able to play on highest settings, that however is expected. It's truly impressive that this low-end card can play today's demanding games on highest playable settings.
the 6850 and 6870 are only cheaper because they are EOL.
I did, but there was a confusion as to what architecture will be used by 78x0 and 77x0 series - many websites previously reported that only the high end 79x0 will be GCN and all other cards will be VLIW:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...-mix-gcn-with-vliw4--vliw5-architectures.aspx
That is why I asked if this information is 100% accurate, if it is GCN, then that's great.
It would be truly impressive, if Radeon 6850 did not exist, which is both cheaper AND faster.
lol all that work to try to prove a correct statement wrong.. you still don't get it. it doesn't matter how fast the 6870 is, its an EOL card and will be off the shelves in retailers within the next 2-3 months which leaves you with the 7770 in the same price bracket and the 6870's eventual replacement which will be the 7850 priced 70-80 dollars more then the 7770. so you can argue that its slower then the 6870 til you are blue in the face but it really doesn't matter since the card was never meant as a replacement for the 6870, it was meant as a replacement for the 6770 which it obviously is by a huge margin.
who cares what you paid 16 months ago for a 6870? the 7770 is a lower end card that is slower than a 6870 while costing the same or more than you can get a 6870 for NOW. and the 7770 is only 30% faster overall than the 5770 which is now 2.5 years old. the 7770 is a joke for it's current selling price and I guess basically all of the other reviewers are crazy too because that's also their conclusion for the most part.6870 was 259.99 when I bought mine on new egg on launch day.
If I had the ability to buy a a card that gave me the same exact game play feel for 159 I would have jumped all over it.
You people that are going crazy over its price simply want AMD to make poor choices and defy logic for your amusement. AMD is not going to price its chips cheaper than its old mid range eol chips. Nvidia wouldnt do it, Intel wouldnt do it, so AMD wont either.
The 7770 series is for HTPCs I mean fuck just look at the damn thing.
No need for external power, small card, possibly able to be passively cooled. Its just itching for the chance to be put in a sff system.
The 7770 and 7750 were meant to compete with the GTX550 and HD6750/6770.
People are taking this moment to bash it since the product line isnt fully out.
They know full well that a low end card that performs as well as a high mid range card is a great card. Its not 9800XT or 8800GTX type of card where its performance is legendary but unlike Kepler GCN actually exists and can be purchased.
First off, the score was for this specific card, not the 7700 series as a whole. What this card pulled off impressed me. It wasn't mind blowing, but it has good potential. Second, it's more expensive to be making these 28nm cards right now as someone already stated, so it's of course going to be more expensive to buy them. AMD doesn't have inexpensive wafers like they did with 40nm, which they used for over 2 years.
Bickering for what?
6870 was 259.99 when I bought mine on new egg on launch day.
If I had the ability to buy a a card that gave me the same exact game play feel for 159 I would have jumped all over it.
You people that are going crazy over its price simply want AMD to make poor choices and defy logic for your amusement. AMD is not going to price its chips cheaper than its old mid range eol chips. Nvidia wouldnt do it, Intel wouldnt do it, so AMD wont either.
The 7770 series is for HTPCs I mean fuck just look at the damn thing.
No need for external power, small card, possibly able to be passively cooled. Its just itching for the chance to be put in a sff system.
The 7770 and 7750 were meant to compete with the GTX550 and HD6750/6770.
People are taking this moment to bash it since the product line isnt fully out.
They know full well that a low end card that performs as well as a high mid range card is a great card. Its not 9800XT or 8800GTX type of card where its performance is legendary but unlike Kepler GCN actually exists and can be purchased.
Anandtech:
"Ignoring the current price of the 6850 for the moment, on average the 7770 delivers 90% of the 6850’s gaming performance for 90% of the 6850’s launch price. In other words in 16 months AMD has moved nowhere along the price/performance curve – if you go by launch prices you’re getting the same amount of performance per dollar today as you did in October of 2010."
Hardwarecanucks:
"Initially released at $149 nearly a year ago (and now retailing for about $119) this Barts LE-based card manages to play on a nearly level footing with the HD 7770 most games. If you can’t see the ramifications of this, let’s make it clear: $159 doesn’t buy you an ounce more performance now than it did 10 months and a generation of GPUs ago. We can talk all day about how the Cape Verde cores are able to offer similar performance with less power, less heat and less noise but budget conscious gamers don’t usually give a damn about any of that. They care about a great bang for buck ratio and that’s precisely where the HD 7770 falls on its face."
2 points
1.) It all goes back to how we evaluate video cards, to find the highest playable settings, and a similar experience. Yes, GTX 560 Ti was technically faster in framerates, but framerates are not everything. We were able to match all the same graphics settings with 6870 and 560 Ti. Therefore, the game looked exactly the same between the XFX R7770, 6870 and 560 Ti. Next, the game felt the same. Yes, 560 Ti had higher framerates, but the XFX R7770 was very smooth and playable. There's just no way around that, it was playable, and so yes, they had a similar experience. Skyrim had such great performance there is no way you could tell any card apart in a blind taste test. Again, the experience WAS equal. The XFX R7770 was as playable as the 560 Ti and 6870.
2.) A point I think a lot are overlooking is that the 7770 is competing with last generations 6870. AMD has improved the 7770 over the 6770 quite a bit, and brought the level of a 6770 up to where the next highest card sits, the 6870 for this generation. That is a generational improvement. This card is as fast as last generations next fastest card in the lineup. That's an impressive improvement of performance compared to where the 6770 sat in the last generation. If the 7770 is performing as good as a 6870, it could mean the 7850 and 7870 could be competing where the 6950 and 6970 were, moving up the line as well, improving a whole notch better than where the 6850 and 6870 use to sit. The 7870 could be as fast as a 6970, completely beating the old 6870 two fold. That's good, and that's the kind of improvements we want to see in each generation.
sorry but just like with the 5830 and 8600gt reviews, Hard got it wrong this time too. overall, the factory overclocked 7770 matches the 6850 not the 6870. the 6850 can be had for much cheaper. a stock 7770 is only about 30% faster overall than the 2.5 year old 5770. basically every other review agrees with the vast majority here that the 7770 is not a good card for the money.[H]ard OCP
There's 2 different arguments going on here:
You can get a faster card for the same price.
AMD is pricing to sell EOL products and allow the new low end to replace the previous gen mid-range.
I think we can all agree if you are looking for bang for buck right now a 6850/6870 is a good way to go. If you want 7770, you will pay a bit more $/performance ratio for early adoption fee.
That's business and that's how companies move products and adjust to the new supply.
Water is wet, the sky is blue.
Now, can we move on?
EDIT: Some spelling and punctuation.
are you paranoid and delusional? when I quoted you that's all that showed. I could manually add the text in but why would I do that when my comment is directly below yours? and I said they got this review wrong like the 5830 and 8600gt. last time I looked the 8600gt was an Nvidia card so if this was also an Nvidia card I would be saying the same thing.The H tested the actual games, they didn’t just compare some benches and then give a %. They played the games and found that a 7770 performed just as well as a 6870 and 560ti. It’s rather telling that you quote only the name of the site from my post but not the actual word for word content. Is there something in that text that you don’t want to come to terms with?
Only 6 months ago if someone wanted performance of that caliber you would have to tell them they would be paying 200 to 190 dollars to obtain it. Now you can get that performance at 159 with no external power and light cooling. You would never have told someone, "Oh the low end 6770 and GTX550 play BF3 Great at 1920 x 1200!" Why? Cause the low end couldn’t maintain the fps in those games. Now the low end is capable of pushing those frames and that is an improvement. You can sit here all day with your green paint brush and try to change everyone else’s opinion and cast others as wrong but it’s not going to do anything.
At the end of the day AMD produced a physical, purchasable product while Nvidia has nothing but rumors and disinformation. You crap on every AMD product both for being too expensive for too little performance and also for being too expensive when holding the performance crown. No matter what AMD does you will always find a way to suckle on the negative. You have been this way since you first began posting here. My guess is the next move is to say AMD and [H]ard OCP are in cahoots. Go and read the 8800GTX review and the 2900XT review. It’s clear as day that Kyle and Steve pick no sides. They receive free products from almost all the top names out there and have no reason to submit to the will of any of these IHVs.
I dont care that Brent personally found the factory oced 7770 delivered the same playable performance. all that means is that the 6850 must give the same playable performance too in those games. the card is clearly slower than the 6870 overall and that is a fact. it matches which can be had for much cheaper.
You don't just take one review as gospel and claim other reviews are wrong, even HardOCP...unless your just a fanboy.