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Warhammer Online Thread!

ChadVader said:
Unless I’m mistaken, experience is earned by damage done and then is divided by the whole group. I’ll try to give a simple example involving a tank, a healer and a wizard.

So let’s say the tank does his job and puts on a shield, protecting the “squishies” and soaking up huge amounts of damage. The healer does his job and buffs, removes ailments and heals everyone who needs healing (with the occasional DoT or debuff thrown in). Then we have the wizard, who only has one job and that is to do crazy damage.

Now let’s say they all work together and “earn” a kill that’s worth 2000 exp. In this case the tank will have done 1000 damage total. The healer will have done 500 damage. And the wizard will have done 5,000 damage. Since the tank and healer are grouped they split the exp. They both get 230 exp each. The wizard however, since he was solo, gets 1540 exp. In what world do you live in that you would consider this fair? How could you possibly rationalize the situation so that the wizard is not leeching off the tank and healer?

Without the tank no one would have gotten protected. The wizard would die in five seconds and the healer might be able to run away. Zero exp for everyone. Without the healer, no one would have been healed. The wizard would die in four seconds. The tank would probably die too with very low chance of escaping. Zero exp for everyone. Without the wizard, it would be a stalemate. Not enough dps to get a kill, but enough protection/healing to stay alive. Again, zero exp for everyone.

I think it’s safe to say that the tank, healer and wizard are all needed equally (give or take). Yet you somehow think the wizard deserves a 650% exp bonus...
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because no that wizard is not receiveing any group benifits, he doesn't get buffs, ehalers wont notice him and heal, tanks arnt going to protect him. You pretty much give up all luxuries of a group for the chance to earn more xp.
 
I dunno when Im healing I pull out all the scenario parties so I can see em on screen and keep people healed. I don't just heal people in my party because that's a sure fire way to lose some important people holding back the tide of enemies wanting to kill me.

I haven't sat down to look at XP, but if it is shared amongst the group, then there are groups that are going to suffer greatly. People with mostly Sorcs/BWs are going to be getting tons of kills, where as people with mostly tanks aren't going to get near as much. And I've noticed the queue system has this bad habit of putting a lot of one archetype in one group, so when all the healers are in another group I rarely get healed until they figure out that they need to heal people outside their scenario party.

I just know from personal experience that my zealot is much higher up the renown levels than my Black Orc and and they are both about the same level, but I feel like Im contributing as much to the scenario with either. Just in different ways, I'll use the orc to just block the paths of the enemy repeatedly walk in front of them to keep em slowed down more than what my snare will do. I just don't get the huge numbers my healer does..and I certainly don't do the DPS of a maurader or sorc.

I've been wanting for some time to see damage taken stats, that way you know a tank is pulling his weight if he's soaking it up or mitigating it with hold the line, etc. Doesn't even have to be XP rewarded for it, but it would show another stat that is unseen and show that's there some disparity there for certain archetypes when it comes to renown and xp.
 
I've been playing since the first actual day of release (no early entry bull) and I'm absolutely loving it. I have played every major MMO since 1999 and this has been the smoothest launch I have experienced.

Mythic is an outstanding company. Their daily hotfixes and tweaks are great. They don't wait to patch everything at one time. Instead, they patch it as soon as its available to patch and they do it without taking the servers down.

That being said I am loving the gameplay. Sure there are some imbalances and annoyances that exist, but the game has been out how long? For such a new MMO it is certainly very polished. I have a rank 24 black orc and have never felt as useful in an MMO as I do with this character.

For anyone considering Warhammer I wouldn't be afraid to take the jump. Now, back to the fray...
 
Symon14 said:
I've been playing since the first actual day of release (no early entry bull) and I'm absolutely loving it. I have played every major MMO since 1999 and this has been the smoothest launch I have experienced.

Mythic is an outstanding company. Their daily hotfixes and tweaks are great. They don't wait to patch everything at one time. Instead, they patch it as soon as its available to patch and they do it without taking the servers down.

That being said I am loving the gameplay. Sure there are some imbalances and annoyances that exist, but the game has been out how long? For such a new MMO it is certainly very polished. I have a rank 24 black orc and have never felt as useful in an MMO as I do with this character.

For anyone considering Warhammer I wouldn't be afraid to take the jump. Now, back to the fray...
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I've had some problems here and there with stuttering (on a newer machine, thankfully the recent patch that turned of logging helped a lot) and disconnects, but even with those problems I've been having so much damn fun.

It really really helps to get into a good guild and to get into RVR. Taking keeps and everything is a blast and it is about the only mmo I've played since UO that gave me the thrill of pvp again.

Also PVE wise I like the PQ's (just wish more people did the ones that were out and about and not only the ones near a city, etc) also really like finding all the unlocks, titles, pocket items, tactics, lore, etc.

I feel like this is one of the first mmo's that really rewards you for exploring the world and doesn't just make a world to mindlessly grind grind grind over with nothing worth exploring for.

In High pass I was just walking along going to a quest, I thought "Hey, I'll just take this shortcut and hop up on top of this hill if I can" and after some jumping around I got on top and then found a book that granted me the "The Serene" title. Then afterwards I was going back toward that temple and though, "hmm, maybe something is behind this?" So I go around back and sure enough, there was this chest with four glowing objects around it. You figure out which objects to activate in what order to open the chest and get an item out of it/exp. I got the item now just to figure out what to do with it/who to talk to (It's an arcane Runestone).

Really having a blast with this game, just can't stress how much more fun you'll have if you get into a good guild, have people to talk to, rvr with, do pq's, defend/take keeps, etc.

I play on Averheim if anyone else from here does, My in-game name is Baelor.
 
The in game easter egg quests/items, are pretty cool, they reward exploration which is a good thing.

I must admit im powering through the levels right now trying to get into T4 and kick some dest ass, mainly because I'm going to be super-irritated if the dest win the first city siege. But once my character is 40 and armed to the teeth so I can help in the end game, Im going to run through the story again from several other characters viewpoints and really put time into exploring, reading the quests, reading the lore etc.
 
They already got it on our server. It sucked being lv 24 at the time and not being able to help defend the city espeically since there were hardly any order people to match the destruction number, and this was at 4am.

I hope in the future the major sieges are more in prime time and it doesn't become a zerg rush while most people are asleep.
 
Vengance_01 said:
no people need to realize that healers do one thing and one thing only, heals the group! :rolleyes: Its not a hard concept.
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When you pay their $15/mo for them, you can tell them how to play their character.

(Used to play a resto shaman in WoW and pvped as such...and yes, I healed plenty of people)
 
Not sure if this is against the rules, I'll delete it if it is.

I'm pretty much done with MMOs and I'm looking to get rid of my copy of warhammer/my account and the strategy guide. The account has a level 26 or so shaman and a 12 witch hunter on it. Anyone interested?
 
I3eyond said:
Wow, thank you so much for such a helpful response. I had no idea what FRAPS was. :rolleyes:
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Then why did you ask? :rolleyes:

YAY! :p

All good.

I want to try this game but I don't know if I might start liking the same sex if I do. Has anyone experienced any challenging thoughts in regards to their sexuality?

Not that I have a problem with such things but since I am married I need to make sure I am responsible about my gaming. We want kids.

Good morning!
 
Lulz frostex, what tree are you going down?

Just got cleansing flare and I'm fucking up every single destruction in tor anroc with it. Absolutely hilarious and it's such a great spell. It's what wind blast should've been.

OTOH, I'm excited to mess around with funnel essence as well.
 
spaceman said:
Then why did you ask? :rolleyes:

YAY! :p

All good.

I want to try this game but I don't know if I might start liking the same sex if I do. Has anyone experienced any challenging thoughts in regards to their sexuality?

Not that I have a problem with such things but since I am married I need to make sure I am responsible about my gaming. We want kids.

Good morning!
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..... ummm not gonna touch that one. :p
 
Gaiden133 said:
Lulz frostex, what tree are you going down?

Just got cleansing flare and I'm fucking up every single destruction in tor anroc with it. Absolutely hilarious and it's such a great spell. It's what wind blast should've been.

OTOH, I'm excited to mess around with funnel essence as well.
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Isha I think it's called it's 100% healing based, I have all my points in there right now, it's to make my character a fantastic healer, If I wanted to do damage then I'd just go as a bright wizard or a DPS specific class.

Thing is, the end game content is RvR and Scenarios, and winning them will take good teamwork and to help with that as much as possible I wanted to take on the role of a support class which are typically less popular, and typically need experienced gamers to play them in order for the group to do well.
 
Frostex said:
Isha I think it's called it's 100% healing based, I have all my points in there right now, it's to make my character a fantastic healer, If I wanted to do damage then I'd just go as a bright wizard or a DPS specific class.

Thing is, the end game content is RvR and Scenarios, and winning them will take good teamwork and to help with that as much as possible I wanted to take on the role of a support class which are typically less popular, and typically need experienced gamers to play them in order for the group to do well.
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agreed. i was in isha the entire way through till wanting to try out the different lines. Asuryan is definitely a lot better than vaul, but I am sad that willpower barely affects our HoT's. (healing energy + lambent aura). Regardless of the tree spec I am in, i still top the healing charts or keep my group up in open rvr. Still interesting to check out the other trees though.

It was rather sad. I had 120 willpower (naked + no discipline tactic buff). Healed myself with lambent HoT, and had a 145 heal tick. Wore my gear + used the tactic buff to get my willpower to 400, and my HoT tick was only 157. Granted, the boon hysh heal is like 50-60 points more.. but I am sad that the willpower stat doesn't benefit healing really all that much. Same goes for int with DoTs. In any case, i'm prioritizing wounds/toughness over int/willpower than i used to do before.
 
Yeah you need a lot of willpower to make a difference, but I think it's more or less the same for other stats, this is to stop the game being too gear dependent. I spec'd the Isha tree more for the Morale and tactic abilities than anything else, the top of the tree is a level 4 morale ability which res's everyone in a 30ft radius and gives them a buff as well, which is going to be epic for keep raids where you get owned and everyone is close around you (boss rooms are tiny)
 
Heh, I got renown rank 2 on my level 4 sorceress just by being in the noob zone when Destruction took it over :D

The tier 1 queues are ridiculous apparently, I queued up for the Khaine scenario to complete the quest and it never popped. You'd think they'd have a estimated queue length like WoW does. :(

So far I'm liking the game a lot. I'm playing both WoW and War right now (starting over on brand new accounts in both) and the level 3 gnome mage I'm playing in WoW keeps running out of mana because I keep forgetting it doesn't regen quickly like action points do. :D
 
they really need to implement more variation in weapons/armor. Everyone looks exactly the same..
 
Yeah, I was doing some number crunching last night with my Archmage. Sorry I don’t have the exact numbers with me so this is off the top of my head.

Naked I had 220 Int (+40 DPS) and with gear I had 530 Int (+100 DPS).

You have to understand that our DoTs are instant cast, but since the global cooldown is 1.5 seconds you can sort of think of them as 1.5 second cast time. And this seems to work as expected. With +310 Int (~60 DPS) all my Dots did about (60 X 1.5 = 90) extra damage. And so did my instant cast direct damage spell. The channeling DoT benefits the most, gaining about 100 dmg per tick.

Overall I think with a pure Int build I was able to gain around 30% more damage total. While this may not seem like a lot, you have to factor in enemy healing. Let’s say that I do a base of 300 DPS and 400 DPS with my Int. And then if the enemy receives 150 Healing per second. My DPS now goes from (300-150) = 150 to (400-150) = 250. In this case I gain a total of 66% more DPS... Meh, just something to think about.
 
Daggah said:
The tier 1 queues are ridiculous apparently, I queued up for the Khaine scenario to complete the quest and it never popped. You'd think they'd have a estimated queue length like WoW does. :(
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For each Tier, there's usually only one scenario that people actually queue up for. For Tier 1 it's Nordland (Empire vs Chaos). It sucks but I don't see it changing any time soon, if ever, unless they change the other scenarios to give more exp/renown...
 
Well, my previous assessment of "really enjoying the game" is starting to falter. I've gotten to level 34, and the scenarios have gone from fun ( Nordland ) to Meh ( Tor Anroc ) to absolutely horrible ( Serpents Passage ).

Open RVR is an absolute joke for Order. There is no point. Destro keep doors are bugged in T4 and we can't take em. Yet they can log on at 4 am, and be nearly knocking on the doors of Altdorf in less than 3 hours with a force of less than 20 people.

Fortresses were supposed to have been beefed up, but they are still an absolute pushover. Not to mention the rampant exploiting and cheating and just plane old bugs -- well I'm really getting burned out.

Not to mention -- why does the game even get laggy? I logged my 4850's last night, and at most each card had a GPU load of around 25-32%. Even my primary card was 25-32%. No more. If the game is getting a bit choppy, I'd at least expect full load on one of the cards. They need to optimize this shit, it's getting old.
 
I got to lvl 31 over a week ago, but haven't touched it yet. I don't plan on playing anymore due to the endless scenario grind and other issues.

Thankfully it's nowhere near as addicting as WoW was at release.
 
The scenario grind is retarded. I want to play ORvR, and want to be rewarded for doing so, at least equivalent to scenarios. Instead, I get a one sided bug fest with no reward for defending.
 
I cancelled my subscription as well, too many problems that haven't been fixed yet.

Windowed mode is broken, being forced to play scenarios with pugs who are not on vent is stupid, and the zerg design of the game lacks depth. Maybe I'm getting older and it's harder for me to get hooked on an mmo like I did with wow but whatever the reason might be I'm just not feeling it. Too many promising games coming out this fall to waste time grinding scenarios with pugs.
 
shiznit said:
I cancelled my subscription as well, too many problems that haven't been fixed yet.

Windowed mode is broken, being forced to play scenarios with pugs who are not on vent is stupid, and the zerg design of the game lacks depth. Maybe I'm getting older and it's harder for me to get hooked on an mmo like I did with wow but whatever the reason might be I'm just not feeling it. Too many promising games coming out this fall to waste time grinding scenarios with pugs.
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Yeah, I had fun when I played for awhile. But the game just pretty much proved shallow in the wrong run.
 
I'm a bit irritated about them slashing the renown earn of healers (even grouped ones) to about 1/5th of what it was, places like the warhammeralliance forums are up in arms and all the players are pissed that none of the healers are healing anymore.

Should be interesting to see what mythic do, and how fast they do it.

To those people complaining about lack of coordination in pug SC play....er no duh!!

Join a good guild, theres plenty about, Im with the EU goons and we have a vent server and you can join and see many grps formed up, theres grps of people in all the different games different areas like PQ's Warbands of people doing gunbad, people doing SC a lot and open RvR warbands.
 
Can't login because apparently my password to get past the patcher isn't the right password to get into the server I was playing on 20 minutes ago. Not much info about it on the forums, but they screwed up something.

And yeah I've noticed hardly anyone makes healers now, none in the lower level scenarios. It's pretty irritating playing a healer on Mourkain Temple and the like because people LOS me all the time, and there's no easy way to tell if they are healable or not from their hud listing.
 
grendel240sx said:
Not sure if this is against the rules, I'll delete it if it is.

I'm pretty much done with MMOs and I'm looking to get rid of my copy of warhammer/my account and the strategy guide. The account has a level 26 or so shaman and a 12 witch hunter on it. Anyone interested?
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One more time.
 
shiznit said:
I cancelled my subscription as well, too many problems that haven't been fixed yet.

Windowed mode is broken, being forced to play scenarios with pugs who are not on vent is stupid, and the zerg design of the game lacks depth. Maybe I'm getting older and it's harder for me to get hooked on an mmo like I did with wow but whatever the reason might be I'm just not feeling it. Too many promising games coming out this fall to waste time grinding scenarios with pugs.
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Make friends?
 
After getting burnt out on third person shooters for a bit, I decided I might like to try out an mmo for a bit. After reading this thread, I bought the game and so far I am really enjoying it. I tried out the WOW demo back in January and got tired of getting killed and camped by losers way above my level (these losers need to get go and get laid). Anyways, Im only a pathetic level 7 elf with a sword, but I remember someone mentioning that the game really picked up at level 4+ and it really has for me. Once I figure out all the acronyms that you guys are using to descibe the game, I might start to be able to really figure out the game...even though in about 7 months my life will end when the kid decides to pop out and say "hi". I think the wife is enjoying the game even more since she doesnt hear the usual cussing and screaming that I like to do in COD4 and BF2....

Anyways, good thread. I am really enjoying the game. It is a nice change from the traditional 1st person shooter.
 
bink said:
After getting burnt out on third person shooters for a bit, I decided I might like to try out an mmo for a bit. After reading this thread, I bought the game and so far I am really enjoying it. I tried out the WOW demo back in January and got tired of getting killed and camped by losers way above my level (these losers need to get go and get laid). Anyways, Im only a pathetic level 7 elf with a sword, but I remember someone mentioning that the game really picked up at level 4+ and it really has for me. Once I figure out all the acronyms that you guys are using to descibe the game, I might start to be able to really figure out the game...even though in about 7 months my life will end when the kid decides to pop out and say "hi". I think the wife is enjoying the game even more since she doesnt hear the usual cussing and screaming that I like to do in COD4 and BF2....

Anyways, good thread. I am really enjoying the game. It is a nice change from the traditional 1st person shooter.
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I thoguht the same thing when ym kid was born and tell you the truth it isnt that bad.

Granted Its not nearly as much as I use to get but my kid is 4 months old now and I still manage about 1 hours every night or two during the week and about 4-6 hours over the weekend which is more than I expected.

Ad best part is they designed WAR for people like us, you level slower than others but you still level and have fun even with only an hour to play.

big thing to remember, dont plan to play, just play when you get a chance
 
SixtyWattMan said:
Make friends?
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umm i think you missed my point, I have plenty of friends. my beef with the game is that you can only queue for a scenario with 5 of them and have to play with the rest being stupid pugs who aren't on vent and it ruins the experience.
 
shiznit said:
umm i think you missed my point, I have plenty of friends. my beef with the game is that you can only queue for a scenario with 5 of them and have to play with the rest being stupid pugs who aren't on vent and it ruins the experience.
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Get your other 6 friends on vent and have them queue up at the same time as you do. 8 out of 10 times my gang of friends are all together.
 
Rofl-Mic-Lofl said:
Selling accounts is against the EULA of WoW, I imagine the same is true for WAR. So yeah... not allowed here.
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I'm selling my copy of the game and the strategy guide, the account info just happens to come with that. Not like the characters are max level/worth mentioning.
 
Yep ive been playing for about a week and im bored, I was really hoping it was gonna be like Dark Age of Camelot or even a little more like WOW, well i guess im gonna go play my Xbox 360 for a bit and wait for yet another letdown.
 
Marcdaddy said:
Yep ive been playing for about a week and im bored, I was really hoping it was gonna be like Dark Age of Camelot or even a little more like WOW, well i guess im gonna go play my Xbox 360 for a bit and wait for yet another letdown.
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That is what I'm doin, trying to to finish a few games 1000/1000 achievements before Fallout 3 comes out :p

Did lego indiana jones last weekend, gonna finish lego star wars and cod4 this weekend :)
 
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