NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Necere

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I'm considering migrating from a Silverstone Ml08 to the Ncase at the next preorder. The initial build will by my trusty 7700k @ 4.8Ghz and EVGA FTW3 GTX1080 but I'm planning a move to a Ryzen 3600 or 3700x or a 9700k setup shortly after. What cooling options should I be planning on? It will be sitting on my desk so I'll want it to be fairly quiet.
Please check compatibility carefully. That card is too tall for the M1.
 

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Please check compatibility carefully. That card is too tall for the M1.
Hmm strange, the ML08 can only handle 121mm of height and the 1080 fits with room to spare. I looked it up and it's actually a FTW2 so maybe it's a different sized card.
 

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Hmm strange, the ML08 can only handle 121mm of height and the 1080 fits with room to spare. I looked it up and it's actually a FTW2 so maybe it's a different sized card.
EVGA lists 128.6mm for the FTW2, which leaves about 11mm to the side panel. Since the PCIe power connectors aren't recessed, you will likely need low profile connectors to clear the side panel (the standard connectors need 15-20mm).
 

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I heard back from Noctua about the discrepancy between their website and ASRock's regarding C14S compatibility. Noctua found that the C14S does indeed fit the X570 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 and have updated their website.

I'm still unsure about the C14.
 

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I heard back from Noctua about the discrepancy between their website and ASRock's regarding C14S compatibility. Noctua found that the C14S does indeed fit the X570 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 and have updated their website.

I'm still unsure about the C14.
Noctua says that yes, the C14 will fit as well, even with a 140mm fan on the bottom.
 

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has anyone else striped the threads for the screw holes for the PCI slot as well as the back plate the goes on top of the PCI slot? both of mine stripped, the screws are fine, and wondered if anyone knows of a larger self tapering screw that might work. sizes or links would be helpful. Thanks
 

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yeah I stripped one, it’s a known issue and reported by Necere to be fixed in V6. Sadly I don’t have a solution for you
 
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has anyone else striped the threads for the screw holes for the PCI slot as well as the back plate the goes on top of the PCI slot? both of mine stripped, the screws are fine, and wondered if anyone knows of a larger self tapering screw that might work. sizes or links would be helpful. Thanks
Me too, I stripped one of my PCI slot screw holes. I'm fine using just the other one, otherwise I think your only option is washer+nut (ideally a rubber washer to avoid stripping the paint)... You gotta be very careful with these screws and not overtighten them.
 

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dumb question, but is it ok to put a non-blower style RTX 2070 into this case?

I've tried to always put blower style GPUs in there but I couldn't pass up the deal on this PNY rtx 2070 xlr8. The whole case heats up when I game... right now there's no case fans either, just a Corsair water cooler for my CPU
 

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dumb question, but is it ok to put a non-blower style RTX 2070 into this case?

I've tried to always put blower style GPUs in there but I couldn't pass up the deal on this PNY rtx 2070 xlr8. The whole case heats up when I game... right now there's no case fans either, just a Corsair water cooler for my CPU
I have a non-blower 2070 in my Ncase and it runs beautifully. Mine is an EVGA XC Gaming which is a two-fan open cooler and it's very quiet and runs as cool as you like. I stuck a couple of Noctua 120 x 15mm fans under mine which has helped - it doesn't necessarily make the card run cooler, but it does mean that the card's fans don't have to work so hard - although they're pretty quiet, they do get a bit loud when they really spin up, and by having a couple of virtually silent Noctuas underneath I can stop the GPU fans from ever getting loud enough to be noticeable.

GPU temperatures have definitely gone up a wee bit since I started using the 2070, but to be honest I find them completely tolerable and easy enough to regulate using a 120mm intake fan on the side panel and a 92mm exhaust fed by the U9S blowing front-to-back.
 

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I have a non-blower 2070 in my Ncase and it runs beautifully. Mine is an EVGA XC Gaming which is a two-fan open cooler and it's very quiet and runs as cool as you like. I stuck a couple of Noctua 120 x 15mm fans under mine which has helped - it doesn't necessarily make the card run cooler, but it does mean that the card's fans don't have to work so hard - although they're pretty quiet, they do get a bit loud when they really spin up, and by having a couple of virtually silent Noctuas underneath I can stop the GPU fans from ever getting loud enough to be noticeable.

GPU temperatures have definitely gone up a wee bit since I started using the 2070, but to be honest I find them completely tolerable and easy enough to regulate using a 120mm intake fan on the side panel and a 92mm exhaust fed by the U9S blowing front-to-back.
Yeah I should probably add some case fans, which direction are your Noctua 120x15s facing blowing? I'm thinking of putting those fans there too as intake and then put an exhaust fan higher up. The other problem I have is my case's back is against a wall so the heat doesn't have a good exhaust path... oh well
 

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Yeah I should probably add some case fans, which direction are your Noctua 120x15s facing blowing? I'm thinking of putting those fans there too as intake and then put an exhaust fan higher up. The other problem I have is my case's back is against a wall so the heat doesn't have a good exhaust path... oh well
Yeah, the 15s are intakes, the side panel fan is an intake, and the rear is an exhaust with the CPU cooler also pushing air from front to back.

My case is also backing onto the wall, but there's about 10cm between the case and the wall given that the power cable sticks out a fair bit and isn't very bendy.
 

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Yeah, the 15s are intakes, the side panel fan is an intake, and the rear is an exhaust with the CPU cooler also pushing air from front to back.

My case is also backing onto the wall, but there's about 10cm between the case and the wall given that the power cable sticks out a fair bit and isn't very bendy.
thanks for the advice, just ordered the 2 Noctua 120s. Do they screw directly into the bottom plate of the M1?
 

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thanks for the advice, just ordered the 2 Noctua 120s. Do they screw directly into the bottom plate of the M1?
There are mounting holes for two 120mm fans on the bottom. I'd mount them with some rubber fan mounts if you have them.

Have 140mm Noctua fan under my non-blower card currently, but I'm moving to 2 x 120 25mm fans.
 

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There are mounting holes for two 120mm fans on the bottom. I'd mount them with some rubber fan mounts if you have them.

Have 140mm Noctua fan under my non-blower card currently, but I'm moving to 2 x 120 25mm fans.
got it, yeah I think the Noctuas come with rubber fan mounts. Why are you moving from the 140mm to the 2x120s?
 

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got it, yeah I think the Noctuas come with rubber fan mounts. Why are you moving from the 140mm to the 2x120s?
The 140mm wasn't covering the whole length of my card, and I noticed at times the sides of my case at the non-fan end would get really hot. It's possible the temperature sensor is on part of the card the 140mm fan was cooling, thus causing the rest of the card to run hot.
 

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thanks for the advice, just ordered the 2 Noctua 120s. Do they screw directly into the bottom plate of the M1?
Sorry for the late reply: I used rubber fan mounts as I found that the heads of the normal fan screws were too narrow to sit nicely in the slots in my M1 (v2). I prefer the rubber mounts in any event, but I did have to trim them down so that they didn't foul the GPU.

Edit: worth noting that I have raised my M1 off the desk slightly (by about 8mm) by fitting some rubber "acoustic feet" onto the existing case feet. Not only do these give a bit more clearance for airflow but they also dampen vibrations from the case onto the desk.
 

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Same here, I would like a comparison showing non-blower are better and more silent.
FWIW I went from a blower-style 660Ti to a non-blower 2070, and whilst to a large extent that's not a fair comparison, I have to say that the blower was really very noisy at full bore whereas the 2070 is extremely quiet until the fans get up to maybe 60%. But they very rarely need to do that, and even more so now I've added two intakes on the case floor. Sure, at 100% it's damn loud but I've never, ever seen even close to that unless I manually set the fans to do it for a laugh.

I know that modern blowers are much better than my old card, but at the same time you'd have to think that having two decent sized fans versus one for a blower could well be more advantageous than a single radial fan dumping heat out of the case. Two fans should be able to spin much more slowly than a solitary fan, so should be a lot quieter, but I guess the caveat is that you might well need additional case fans to deal with the additional heat being retained inside the case. Again, though, I'd say that being able to employ one or more 120mm+ fans for this purpose shouldn't be too noisy even in aggregate.

FWIW when comparing CPU temperatures between my two setups, I found that the blower gave marginally better results but only by a couple of degrees. That's with a 6700K under a U9S. But I'd be interested to see a true comparison between, say, a 2070 blower and a 2070 open cooler.
 

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FWIW I went from a blower-style 660Ti to a non-blower 2070, and whilst to a large extent that's not a fair comparison, I have to say that the blower was really very noisy at full bore whereas the 2070 is extremely quiet until the fans get up to maybe 60%.
I have a 660 Ti blower in one PC and a 1080 Ti blower in the other one. I don't hear any as I control the fans speed with a curve, it's a must or you'll end up with noise. I guess the same need to be done with dual/triple fans cards to better manage noise but like everyone know, at least with blower no worry about heat.
 

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I have a 660 Ti blower in one PC and a 1080 Ti blower in the other one. I don't hear any as I control the fans speed with a curve, it's a must or you'll end up with noise. I guess the same need to be done with dual/triple fans cards to better manage noise but like everyone know, at least with blower no worry about heat.
Indeed, but my point was that two fans should be able to run slower, and thus quieter, than a single fan in order to move the same amount of air.

And I didn't find that the blower was 100% effective in getting rid of all of the heat - temperatures elsewhere in the case would increase notably when the GPU was running under load.
 

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Indeed, but my point was that two fans should be able to run slower, and thus quieter, than a single fan in order to move the same amount of air.
Depends of configuration, the blower push air in a closed space with heatsink in it way, no escape. While 2 fans blows air on a large surface but I know what you mean.

And I didn't find that the blower was 100% effective in getting rid of all of the heat - temperatures elsewhere in the case would increase notably when the GPU was running under load.
One possibility is that when blower revs fast, it's like a vaccum, sucking surrounding air and can interefere with case air flow. I wish it would be possible to add a duct to the blower intake so all fresh air in and all hot air hot without interfering with case airflow at all.
 

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Depends of configuration, the blower push air in a closed space with heatsink in it way, no escape. While 2 fans blows air on a large surface but I know what you mean.

One possibility is that when blower revs fast, it's like a vaccum, sucking surrounding air and can interefere with case air flow. I wish it would be possible to add a duct to the blower intake so all fresh air in and all hot air hot without interfering with case airflow at all.
I experimented with a duct between the case floor and the blower fan, to see if it made any difference, but it did not. I think that's in part because the ventilation on the floor of the M1 isn't great and the stock feet don't give much clearance which again hampers airflow. It does feel like you really need some sort of intake on the case floor to actively draw cool air into the case but I tried that with my blower and didn't find that effective either.
 

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I experimented with a duct between the case floor and the blower fan, to see if it made any difference, but it did not. I think that's in part because the ventilation on the floor of the M1 isn't great and the stock feet don't give much clearance which again hampers airflow. It does feel like you really need some sort of intake on the case floor to actively draw cool air into the case but I tried that with my blower and didn't find that effective either.
Interesting, do you have a picture how you made it? I wanted to do the same initially when I was planning my build but in the end I only ducted the exit of U9S to outside of case. I wasn't sure how to properly fit/attach a duct on blower hole and on bottom of case.
 

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Also of note, a lot of blowers actually have vents that exhaust a fair amount of heat back into the case. For every blower I've had, it was always the vent opening for the CF/SLI/NVlink fingers.
 

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Also of note, a lot of blowers actually have vents that exhaust a fair amount of heat back into the case. For every blower I've had, it was always the vent opening for the CF/SLI/NVlink fingers.
True, some have a blower but are not sealed on the sides... kinda stupid design if you ask me.
 

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Interesting, do you have a picture how you made it? I wanted to do the same initially when I was planning my build but in the end I only ducted the exit of U9S to outside of case. I wasn't sure how to properly fit/attach a duct on blower hole and on bottom of case.
I don't have a picture, I'm afraid. But rest assured it was as ghetto as it comes - I cut a circular section out of a plastic drinks bottle, cut it down to the required height and used tape to seal it at each end!
 

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Is somebody interested in a build with an Asus Rog Strix 5700 XT O8G or has experience with the installation? (v5)
 

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Hi, bit excited here it's been dispatch!

Yep, that's my NCASE M1 on it's way to the UK. My new pastime will be tracking my M1, sad but true!
 

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Lucky me, sometimes my post ist usles, they had it and should have been here yesterday but no, now its on the way to customs..... And I have to pick it up myself..... It's okay but sometimes they bring it to me and I have to pay the fees at the door
 

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Collected myself just now, if your in the UK the import tax was 20.50 pounds and Parcel Force charged 12 pound handling.

Just waiting on the rest of my components, should be tomorrow at the lastest and then the build!

Thanks for the manual appreciated.
 

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Import tax in Germany where the usually 19%.... Had to pay 40 Euro,

Anyway i transferred my build from v3 to v6 and there are some points

- more space for my aio, movement left to right is cool so I could move the aio far left and have more space for 2ssd back to back

- the bracket for the sfx psu feels a little flimsy compared to the v3, a screw to the front of the case would have made it a lot more stable

-I mounted a odd on the front bracket had to left out the screw on the low left side because it would have hinder the mounting of the adapter for power and sata cabel

Will upload some pictures later
 

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I agree on the PSU mount. I don't particularly like it.

The ODD mount, I think, uses only 4(?) screws, two on one side, two on the back. I don't have a spare slotted cover, nor do I want to cut a slit for one, so I just have an ODD drive sitting pretty.
 

Grendell

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had to remove the realy small screw at the bottom so the plug would go a bit deeper maybe it would have worked with the screw in it , the plug would be at an angle and not realy deep


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had to remove the realy small screw at the bottom so the plug would go a bit deeper maybe it would have worked with the screw in it , the plug would be at an angle and not realy deep


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Pre-V6, the ODD tray attached to the optical drive with 4 screws, 2 on the left and 2 on the right. In the V6 the ODD tray uses 3 screws, 1 on the left and 2 on the bottom.

The V6 tray has a small piece of metal plate on the lower left side where the pre-V6 ODD tray had a hole for a screw. Maybe you could carefully measure and mark where the hole needs to be so that you could use a second screw on the left side, like the pre-V6 ODD tray.

However, it may be that the small piece of metal doesn't cover the threaded hole in that area so my idea won't work. Can you post a photo of the left edge of the ODD tray with the drive installed?
 

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hi , thanks for the idea , i just wanted to menttion it for maybe a future v6.5 or so and maybe its only my odd becuase its needs a adapter and no one else will have this "problem" what it is not because the 2 screws left hold it realy well

anyway some picturtes

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anyway its not that i have ocd or somethink like that but i will take my build apart again , got myself a asus z390 with onboard header for the usbc front header ;D
 

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hi , thanks for the idea , i just wanted to menttion it for maybe a future v6.5 or so and maybe its only my odd becuase its needs a adapter and no one else will have this "problem" what it is not because the 2 screws left hold it realy well
In the first photo the drives threaded hole is visible so it's not covered by the ODD tray's small black metal fold. Oh well. At least it's being held tight enough.
 
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