NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Wiseblood

n00b
Joined
May 15, 2012
Messages
2
Will the V6 still have the option for the old front panel I/O without the USB-C port? ITX mobos with a USB-C header are slim pickings.
 

jeremyshaw

[H]ardForum Junkie
Joined
Aug 26, 2009
Messages
12,180
You could use either a dummy plug or a variety of header solutions (19pin to Type E adapters, a M.2-->Type E chain of adapters, etc).

That being said, is the V5's I/O panel removable and compatible? You could probably find someone who is interested in upgrading, if so.
 

Necere

2[H]4U
Joined
Jan 3, 2003
Messages
2,733
Will the V6 still have the option for the old front panel I/O without the USB-C port? ITX mobos with a USB-C header are slim pickings.
No, front I/O with USB C will be the only option. You're not losing any functionality by having it, though I understand some people may be bothered to have a nonfunctional port there.

That being said, is the V5's I/O panel removable and compatible? You could probably find someone who is interested in upgrading, if so.
While the V6 front I/O is backward compatible with previous versions, the V5 front I/O is not forward compatible, unfortunately.
 

jeremyshaw

[H]ardForum Junkie
Joined
Aug 26, 2009
Messages
12,180
[...]

While the V6 front I/O is backward compatible with previous versions, the V5 front I/O is not forward compatible, unfortunately.
Thanks for the information about the compatibility; I'm already accruing the requisite adapters to use all three ports with my current board (ASRock Z270), and hopefully my next board will have all of the requisite headers :D
 

Grendell

n00b
Joined
Aug 20, 2015
Messages
32
Maybe someone knows, my Mainboard also has no usb 3.1gen2 usb header on board but my rear io has usb c 3.1gen2 thunderbolt..... Isn't there a cabel to us the rear io route it inside the case and plug in the front panel header

All I can find is the normal male to female adapter or USB 3 to usb c but no usb c male to usb 3.1gen2 female (Mainboard plug)
 

Epos7

Limp Gawd
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
296
Maybe someone knows, my Mainboard also has no usb 3.1gen2 usb header on board but my rear io has usb c 3.1gen2 thunderbolt..... Isn't there a cabel to us the rear io route it inside the case and plug in the front panel header

All I can find is the normal male to female adapter or USB 3 to usb c but no usb c male to usb 3.1gen2 female (Mainboard plug)
Some info here:

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/list-of-mini-itx-dtx-motherboards-with-a-type-e-header-for-front-panel-usb-c.11191/page-2

I'm looking into a 3900X and want a motherboard compatible with the USB-C front panel. There are hardly any choices.

Do you have the ASRock X570 ITX board, out of curiosity?
 

Grendell

n00b
Joined
Aug 20, 2015
Messages
32
Sorry if I was unclear about what I want to try, I preordert the v6 and was thinking how I could use the USB c front panel, it's not a must and I don't intend to change the mobo

I have a asrock fatal1ty mini itx z370

Don't want to use a usb3 to usb c or a m. 2 to usb,

My Mainboard got USB c on the rear io, if I can get a cabel plug it into the usbc port route it inside the case and plug in the cabel for the front usbc.....

So the cabel would be usbc male to type e header, but it seems such a cabel doesn't exist
 

AXm77

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jun 4, 2012
Messages
151
I have odd request to Necere: It would be possible to get sketch with dimensions and location of CD slot?
I got myself M1 V3 and it have all mounting hardware but missing opening in top cover.
 
Joined
Apr 6, 2016
Messages
53
Fellow enthousiasts! My ncase build is finally in a working state, but the GPU is making way too much noise for my likings. I've got a Gigabyte RTX 2080 Windforce and the temps ramp up to 76 max with the fans running at 75%. I've been looking at the cooler for a long time and came across the following video which gave me an idea to improve temps and noise! (windforce repair vid). I can remove the shroud and fans of the GPU and the heatsink of the GPU has no upstanding mounting parts like a lot of GPU's do have. This means I can attach some fat noctuas (nf-a12x25) beneath it and I'm positive it will improve temps and noise big time. Just need to get some proper tools so I can remove the shroud and fans without having to remove the entire heatsink from the gpu (will void warranty). I have some questions though:
  1. Does anyone know if the fan connector on the card that currently is powering 3 default fans, will be able to power two noctua pwm fans?
  2. Should I run the fans as exhaust (just like everyone is doing with the arctic accelero) or run them as intake?
 

Verdi

n00b
Joined
Mar 31, 2016
Messages
52
Fellow enthousiasts! My ncase build is finally in a working state, but the GPU is making way too much noise for my likings. I've got a Gigabyte RTX 2080 Windforce and the temps ramp up to 76 max with the fans running at 75%. I've been looking at the cooler for a long time and came across the following video which gave me an idea to improve temps and noise! (windforce repair vid). I can remove the shroud and fans of the GPU and the heatsink of the GPU has no upstanding mounting parts like a lot of GPU's do have. This means I can attach some fat noctuas (nf-a12x25) beneath it and I'm positive it will improve temps and noise big time. Just need to get some proper tools so I can remove the shroud and fans without having to remove the entire heatsink from the gpu (will void warranty). I have some questions though:
  1. Does anyone know if the fan connector on the card that currently is powering 3 default fans, will be able to power two noctua pwm fans?
  2. Should I run the fans as exhaust (just like everyone is doing with the arctic accelero) or run them as intake?
I did something very similar with an EVGA card. I just kept the shroud but changed the fans.

1. I see no problem in powering 2 fans instead of 3, as load will probably decrease. One observation I have is that I had to tune the fan curve, as my card seems to control RPM instead of a % load of the max speed. The original fans were 3000 RPMs and my noctuas are 1700. SO 57% fan speed is actually 100%.
2. Exaust provides best results for the accelero, but i guess it depends on the rest of the system. In my case i could not do exaust, but even as intake results are great. At very high loads i get at most 64 C at 800 RPM. GTX 1070.
 

Bankie

[H]ard|Gawd
Joined
Jul 27, 2004
Messages
1,635
I'm considering migrating from a Silverstone Ml08 to the Ncase at the next preorder. The initial build will by my trusty 7700k @ 4.8Ghz and EVGA FTW3 GTX1080 but I'm planning a move to a Ryzen 3600 or 3700x or a 9700k setup shortly after. What cooling options should I be planning on? It will be sitting on my desk so I'll want it to be fairly quiet.
 

Necere

2[H]4U
Joined
Jan 3, 2003
Messages
2,733
I'm considering migrating from a Silverstone Ml08 to the Ncase at the next preorder. The initial build will by my trusty 7700k @ 4.8Ghz and EVGA FTW3 GTX1080 but I'm planning a move to a Ryzen 3600 or 3700x or a 9700k setup shortly after. What cooling options should I be planning on? It will be sitting on my desk so I'll want it to be fairly quiet.
Please check compatibility carefully. That card is too tall for the M1.
 

Bankie

[H]ard|Gawd
Joined
Jul 27, 2004
Messages
1,635
Please check compatibility carefully. That card is too tall for the M1.
Hmm strange, the ML08 can only handle 121mm of height and the 1080 fits with room to spare. I looked it up and it's actually a FTW2 so maybe it's a different sized card.
 

Necere

2[H]4U
Joined
Jan 3, 2003
Messages
2,733
Hmm strange, the ML08 can only handle 121mm of height and the 1080 fits with room to spare. I looked it up and it's actually a FTW2 so maybe it's a different sized card.
EVGA lists 128.6mm for the FTW2, which leaves about 11mm to the side panel. Since the PCIe power connectors aren't recessed, you will likely need low profile connectors to clear the side panel (the standard connectors need 15-20mm).
 

Epos7

Limp Gawd
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
296
I heard back from Noctua about the discrepancy between their website and ASRock's regarding C14S compatibility. Noctua found that the C14S does indeed fit the X570 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 and have updated their website.

I'm still unsure about the C14.
 

Epos7

Limp Gawd
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
296
I heard back from Noctua about the discrepancy between their website and ASRock's regarding C14S compatibility. Noctua found that the C14S does indeed fit the X570 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 and have updated their website.

I'm still unsure about the C14.
Noctua says that yes, the C14 will fit as well, even with a 140mm fan on the bottom.
 

xfan10

n00b
Joined
Sep 4, 2017
Messages
60
has anyone else striped the threads for the screw holes for the PCI slot as well as the back plate the goes on top of the PCI slot? both of mine stripped, the screws are fine, and wondered if anyone knows of a larger self tapering screw that might work. sizes or links would be helpful. Thanks
 

Attachments

Mannymal

Limp Gawd
Joined
Oct 12, 2011
Messages
278
yeah I stripped one, it’s a known issue and reported by Necere to be fixed in V6. Sadly I don’t have a solution for you
 
Joined
Nov 21, 2015
Messages
585
has anyone else striped the threads for the screw holes for the PCI slot as well as the back plate the goes on top of the PCI slot? both of mine stripped, the screws are fine, and wondered if anyone knows of a larger self tapering screw that might work. sizes or links would be helpful. Thanks
Me too, I stripped one of my PCI slot screw holes. I'm fine using just the other one, otherwise I think your only option is washer+nut (ideally a rubber washer to avoid stripping the paint)... You gotta be very careful with these screws and not overtighten them.
 

pookguy88

Gawd
Joined
Jan 20, 2002
Messages
674
dumb question, but is it ok to put a non-blower style RTX 2070 into this case?

I've tried to always put blower style GPUs in there but I couldn't pass up the deal on this PNY rtx 2070 xlr8. The whole case heats up when I game... right now there's no case fans either, just a Corsair water cooler for my CPU
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
dumb question, but is it ok to put a non-blower style RTX 2070 into this case?

I've tried to always put blower style GPUs in there but I couldn't pass up the deal on this PNY rtx 2070 xlr8. The whole case heats up when I game... right now there's no case fans either, just a Corsair water cooler for my CPU
I have a non-blower 2070 in my Ncase and it runs beautifully. Mine is an EVGA XC Gaming which is a two-fan open cooler and it's very quiet and runs as cool as you like. I stuck a couple of Noctua 120 x 15mm fans under mine which has helped - it doesn't necessarily make the card run cooler, but it does mean that the card's fans don't have to work so hard - although they're pretty quiet, they do get a bit loud when they really spin up, and by having a couple of virtually silent Noctuas underneath I can stop the GPU fans from ever getting loud enough to be noticeable.

GPU temperatures have definitely gone up a wee bit since I started using the 2070, but to be honest I find them completely tolerable and easy enough to regulate using a 120mm intake fan on the side panel and a 92mm exhaust fed by the U9S blowing front-to-back.
 

pookguy88

Gawd
Joined
Jan 20, 2002
Messages
674
I have a non-blower 2070 in my Ncase and it runs beautifully. Mine is an EVGA XC Gaming which is a two-fan open cooler and it's very quiet and runs as cool as you like. I stuck a couple of Noctua 120 x 15mm fans under mine which has helped - it doesn't necessarily make the card run cooler, but it does mean that the card's fans don't have to work so hard - although they're pretty quiet, they do get a bit loud when they really spin up, and by having a couple of virtually silent Noctuas underneath I can stop the GPU fans from ever getting loud enough to be noticeable.

GPU temperatures have definitely gone up a wee bit since I started using the 2070, but to be honest I find them completely tolerable and easy enough to regulate using a 120mm intake fan on the side panel and a 92mm exhaust fed by the U9S blowing front-to-back.
Yeah I should probably add some case fans, which direction are your Noctua 120x15s facing blowing? I'm thinking of putting those fans there too as intake and then put an exhaust fan higher up. The other problem I have is my case's back is against a wall so the heat doesn't have a good exhaust path... oh well
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
Yeah I should probably add some case fans, which direction are your Noctua 120x15s facing blowing? I'm thinking of putting those fans there too as intake and then put an exhaust fan higher up. The other problem I have is my case's back is against a wall so the heat doesn't have a good exhaust path... oh well
Yeah, the 15s are intakes, the side panel fan is an intake, and the rear is an exhaust with the CPU cooler also pushing air from front to back.

My case is also backing onto the wall, but there's about 10cm between the case and the wall given that the power cable sticks out a fair bit and isn't very bendy.
 

pookguy88

Gawd
Joined
Jan 20, 2002
Messages
674
Yeah, the 15s are intakes, the side panel fan is an intake, and the rear is an exhaust with the CPU cooler also pushing air from front to back.

My case is also backing onto the wall, but there's about 10cm between the case and the wall given that the power cable sticks out a fair bit and isn't very bendy.
thanks for the advice, just ordered the 2 Noctua 120s. Do they screw directly into the bottom plate of the M1?
 

Epos7

Limp Gawd
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
296
thanks for the advice, just ordered the 2 Noctua 120s. Do they screw directly into the bottom plate of the M1?
There are mounting holes for two 120mm fans on the bottom. I'd mount them with some rubber fan mounts if you have them.

Have 140mm Noctua fan under my non-blower card currently, but I'm moving to 2 x 120 25mm fans.
 

pookguy88

Gawd
Joined
Jan 20, 2002
Messages
674
There are mounting holes for two 120mm fans on the bottom. I'd mount them with some rubber fan mounts if you have them.

Have 140mm Noctua fan under my non-blower card currently, but I'm moving to 2 x 120 25mm fans.
got it, yeah I think the Noctuas come with rubber fan mounts. Why are you moving from the 140mm to the 2x120s?
 

Epos7

Limp Gawd
Joined
Aug 31, 2015
Messages
296
got it, yeah I think the Noctuas come with rubber fan mounts. Why are you moving from the 140mm to the 2x120s?
The 140mm wasn't covering the whole length of my card, and I noticed at times the sides of my case at the non-fan end would get really hot. It's possible the temperature sensor is on part of the card the 140mm fan was cooling, thus causing the rest of the card to run hot.
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
thanks for the advice, just ordered the 2 Noctua 120s. Do they screw directly into the bottom plate of the M1?
Sorry for the late reply: I used rubber fan mounts as I found that the heads of the normal fan screws were too narrow to sit nicely in the slots in my M1 (v2). I prefer the rubber mounts in any event, but I did have to trim them down so that they didn't foul the GPU.

Edit: worth noting that I have raised my M1 off the desk slightly (by about 8mm) by fitting some rubber "acoustic feet" onto the existing case feet. Not only do these give a bit more clearance for airflow but they also dampen vibrations from the case onto the desk.
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
Same here, I would like a comparison showing non-blower are better and more silent.
FWIW I went from a blower-style 660Ti to a non-blower 2070, and whilst to a large extent that's not a fair comparison, I have to say that the blower was really very noisy at full bore whereas the 2070 is extremely quiet until the fans get up to maybe 60%. But they very rarely need to do that, and even more so now I've added two intakes on the case floor. Sure, at 100% it's damn loud but I've never, ever seen even close to that unless I manually set the fans to do it for a laugh.

I know that modern blowers are much better than my old card, but at the same time you'd have to think that having two decent sized fans versus one for a blower could well be more advantageous than a single radial fan dumping heat out of the case. Two fans should be able to spin much more slowly than a solitary fan, so should be a lot quieter, but I guess the caveat is that you might well need additional case fans to deal with the additional heat being retained inside the case. Again, though, I'd say that being able to employ one or more 120mm+ fans for this purpose shouldn't be too noisy even in aggregate.

FWIW when comparing CPU temperatures between my two setups, I found that the blower gave marginally better results but only by a couple of degrees. That's with a 6700K under a U9S. But I'd be interested to see a true comparison between, say, a 2070 blower and a 2070 open cooler.
 

Rhialto

Gawd
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Messages
543
FWIW I went from a blower-style 660Ti to a non-blower 2070, and whilst to a large extent that's not a fair comparison, I have to say that the blower was really very noisy at full bore whereas the 2070 is extremely quiet until the fans get up to maybe 60%.
I have a 660 Ti blower in one PC and a 1080 Ti blower in the other one. I don't hear any as I control the fans speed with a curve, it's a must or you'll end up with noise. I guess the same need to be done with dual/triple fans cards to better manage noise but like everyone know, at least with blower no worry about heat.
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
I have a 660 Ti blower in one PC and a 1080 Ti blower in the other one. I don't hear any as I control the fans speed with a curve, it's a must or you'll end up with noise. I guess the same need to be done with dual/triple fans cards to better manage noise but like everyone know, at least with blower no worry about heat.
Indeed, but my point was that two fans should be able to run slower, and thus quieter, than a single fan in order to move the same amount of air.

And I didn't find that the blower was 100% effective in getting rid of all of the heat - temperatures elsewhere in the case would increase notably when the GPU was running under load.
 

Rhialto

Gawd
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Messages
543
Indeed, but my point was that two fans should be able to run slower, and thus quieter, than a single fan in order to move the same amount of air.
Depends of configuration, the blower push air in a closed space with heatsink in it way, no escape. While 2 fans blows air on a large surface but I know what you mean.

And I didn't find that the blower was 100% effective in getting rid of all of the heat - temperatures elsewhere in the case would increase notably when the GPU was running under load.
One possibility is that when blower revs fast, it's like a vaccum, sucking surrounding air and can interefere with case air flow. I wish it would be possible to add a duct to the blower intake so all fresh air in and all hot air hot without interfering with case airflow at all.
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
Depends of configuration, the blower push air in a closed space with heatsink in it way, no escape. While 2 fans blows air on a large surface but I know what you mean.

One possibility is that when blower revs fast, it's like a vaccum, sucking surrounding air and can interefere with case air flow. I wish it would be possible to add a duct to the blower intake so all fresh air in and all hot air hot without interfering with case airflow at all.
I experimented with a duct between the case floor and the blower fan, to see if it made any difference, but it did not. I think that's in part because the ventilation on the floor of the M1 isn't great and the stock feet don't give much clearance which again hampers airflow. It does feel like you really need some sort of intake on the case floor to actively draw cool air into the case but I tried that with my blower and didn't find that effective either.
 

Rhialto

Gawd
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Messages
543
I experimented with a duct between the case floor and the blower fan, to see if it made any difference, but it did not. I think that's in part because the ventilation on the floor of the M1 isn't great and the stock feet don't give much clearance which again hampers airflow. It does feel like you really need some sort of intake on the case floor to actively draw cool air into the case but I tried that with my blower and didn't find that effective either.
Interesting, do you have a picture how you made it? I wanted to do the same initially when I was planning my build but in the end I only ducted the exit of U9S to outside of case. I wasn't sure how to properly fit/attach a duct on blower hole and on bottom of case.
 

jeremyshaw

[H]ardForum Junkie
Joined
Aug 26, 2009
Messages
12,180
Also of note, a lot of blowers actually have vents that exhaust a fair amount of heat back into the case. For every blower I've had, it was always the vent opening for the CF/SLI/NVlink fingers.
 

Rhialto

Gawd
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Messages
543
Also of note, a lot of blowers actually have vents that exhaust a fair amount of heat back into the case. For every blower I've had, it was always the vent opening for the CF/SLI/NVlink fingers.
True, some have a blower but are not sealed on the sides... kinda stupid design if you ask me.
 

Bawjaws

Limp Gawd
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
434
Interesting, do you have a picture how you made it? I wanted to do the same initially when I was planning my build but in the end I only ducted the exit of U9S to outside of case. I wasn't sure how to properly fit/attach a duct on blower hole and on bottom of case.
I don't have a picture, I'm afraid. But rest assured it was as ghetto as it comes - I cut a circular section out of a plastic drinks bottle, cut it down to the required height and used tape to seal it at each end!
 
Top