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Love your socket 754?

3,000th reply! post #3,001, but 3,000th reply :cool:

And yeah, this thread has some life. Alot of that can be attributed to the recent price slashing on 754. I really wish I had a job right now, I'd have all sorts of little 754 folding rigs.

 
W00T!! We made it to 3000!

The price slashing does help. If youre building a new rig and can pull some parts from your old one, you can build a realy nice PC for only $100 (or $300 if you need a new video card).
 
Thought I'd post this here, for the experts to reply to!

I've been pottering along with the 754 in my sig since the end of August 2004, I'd love a new P.C. but I can't justify the price/performance increase at the moment.

Anyway, the beast has been chugging a bit lately, programs are taking a wee bit longer to open than they used to, the hard drive definitely thrashes a little more than it used to and Battlefield 2 stutters at the start of a round now.

My question is this;
How can I fix it? Buy another GB of RAM? a faster H.D.D? (using a Diamondmax 9 ATM)

I'm using MCE 2005 (purely to stream to the X360) All drivers are up to date, Perfect Disk defrags the drive every few days, I don't install/uninstall lots of programs, adware and virus scans regularly etc.

I use Norton Ghost to restore to a clean image of the O.S. and all drivers when I need to(Battlefield 2's patches taught me that one) In general, the machine is well kept.

Any ideas?
TIA.
 
BF2 stuttered on my comp too, but then i got 2gigs of ram and it was fine.

generaly speaking BF2 runs better with over 1gig of ram.
 
bigdavethehorn, do you have your HD(s) in a Raid Stripe? If not then either do it, or get another Diamondmax 9 and do it. The difference in booting and loading applications is quite noticable. Sure, having a stripe is a little less reliable than on 1 HD (either can fail) but the performance is worth it. I have had 2 Samsung SATA drives in Stripe for over 2 years now and it is awesome. Just back up your stuff on occasion.
 
elfletcho said:
bigdavethehorn, do you have your HD(s) in a Raid Stripe?
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Nope, only got one drive. Suppose I could try 2, I thought that the general consensus was that RAID wasn't worth it on the desktop?
 
bigdavethehorn said:
Nope, only got one drive. Suppose I could try 2, I thought that the general consensus was that RAID wasn't worth it on the desktop?
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Yes, it's not worth it. If you feel it's sluggish,there is many causes for it like :

-DMA mode not enabled.
-Heavily fragmented partitions.
-Disk going bad (I know from experience with over 50 HDD failing at work as a IT Senior Technician).

Getting RAID isn't worth for many reasons :

-marginal performances increases, which can be cancelled by getting some excellent harddisks.
-Zero data reliability. 1 HDD fail and you lose everything. This include controller or bios failures, which can destroy everything.
-The desktop access mode isn't efficient for RAID. The only efficient place is in business storage stuff, where there is lots of concurrent accesses.
 
Is your drive close to maximum capacity? Most drives act like a turd when they get over the 85% full stage.
 
Has anyone tried running the CoreTemp program on their s754 CPUs. It's available here:

http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=137

By taking the temperature directly from the core of the chip it seems to be giving a much more accurate reading than anything else I've used.

My Athlon 3000 is rated at 65 C max and with Prime running the Gigabyte utility was showing about 58C to 59C while CoreTemp is already showing 65C. No wonder I have trouble getting much more out of my chip. I better head to the basement and crank up the fans! :cool:
 
NewBlackDak said:
Is your drive close to maximum capacity? Most drives act like a turd when they get over the 85% full stage.
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It's a 160GB drive, two partitions;
partition 1: 100GB, 20GB free
partition 2: 60GB, 52GB free
 
Xilikon said:
Yes, it's not worth it. If you feel it's sluggish,there is many causes for it like :

-DMA mode not enabled.
-Heavily fragmented partitions.
-Disk going bad (I know from experience with over 50 HDD failing at work as a IT Senior Technician).
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DMA is at Mode 6
Defragged every few days
Could be, checked it about a month ago with Maxtor's "Maxblast" I think.
 
Xilikon said:
Yes, it's not worth it. If you feel it's sluggish,there is many causes for it like :

-DMA mode not enabled.
-Heavily fragmented partitions.
-Disk going bad (I know from experience with over 50 HDD failing at work as a IT Senior Technician).

Getting RAID isn't worth for many reasons :

-marginal performances increases, which can be cancelled by getting some excellent harddisks.
-Zero data reliability. 1 HDD fail and you lose everything. This include controller or bios failures, which can destroy everything.
-The desktop access mode isn't efficient for RAID. The only efficient place is in business storage stuff, where there is lots of concurrent accesses.
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Ok, I can't put a number on the "performance increase", however loading times for hard disk intensive operations can definitely be noticed. When I went from a single ATA100 7200 RPM Harddrive to (2) SATA drives in Raid I REALLY could notice the difference. In 2 years, I only have had one bad sector. The raid bios notified me during startup one day, I backed up all my stuff, sent the drive in for RMA. For the 2 weeks it was gone I used the single drive after reinstalling windows and I really noticed how much slower applications loaded, how large files loaded, especially map loading times in games.


All I know is that I won't go back to a single drive based set up.
 
bigdavethehorn said:
Cheers for that, I'm at 48 degrees, at idle, with an XP90.
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That sounds about right for a clocked newcastle. My Venice shows about 43C at idle.
 
Yay for the BigTyphoon! 32c idle and 42c load. :D

And BTW, thats the same thing that SpeedFan reports...so whats different about this app?
 
Unknown-One said:
And BTW, thats the same thing that SpeedFan reports...so whats different about this app?
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On my Gigabyte board SpeedFan does not seem to report the proper core temperature the way CoreTemp does. SpeedFan shows 25C, 29C, -6C, 33C and my hard drive temperature at 41C.

CoreTemp reports 41C and it increases instantly as soon as the CPU load increases. It is reading its values directly from a register within the CPU core. There is a wide variation on how different manufacturers interpret and report CPU temp. Even using a different BIOS version on this board has shown different temperatures under the same load.

CoreTemp should report a number that is consistent no matter what motherboard you use.
 
I got my S754 3400+ Venice on that recent Newegg deal. Threw it in last night and it easily managed 2.64GHz (240x11) at 1.45V. It idles in the low to mid 30s and gets to the low 40s under load. My room was only semi-cool last night, so even when its hotter I don't think that will change much.
 
Nice going. What hsf are you using? If you have a good one you can get more out of that 3400+. They'll do 2.7+ pretty easily. Right now I'm running game stable at 230x12 @ 1.64v. It'll do 225x12 @ 1.54v easily.
Its great to see more and more people getting turned on to the 3400+ Venice.
 
I was messing around with the 3400+ i got with the newegg deal as well using that Biostar MB included in the deal. Had it at 225 x 12 with the voltage reported as ~1.48 in cpuz. Ran prime95 to see if it would kick right out but I quit after ~10min. The temp reporting on the Biostar board is all whack and didn't have that coretemp program yet. If I had a good board this chip would OC like a monster.

Have an XP-90 with panflo fan on it as well, and my apartment ~80F usually.
 
bigdavethehorn : Try with Maxtor PowerMax 4.22 for finding out if the disk is defective or not. It's a tool used by the RMA staff to validate if the disk is indeed defective (used recently to return a bad DiamondMax 10 250 Gb disk).

unclewebb : It's a great tool and mine runs at 56C on average, but mind you it's while i'm folding for the [H]orde ;)

 
A long time lurker here brought out by that newegg special. I recently receive my 3400+ Venice and opted for the biostar mobo, which I probably won't use. I haven't had the time to really test it but to give you an idea of where I was before, I had a sempron 2600 palermo before this(it's the old womans pc). I'm gonna breath new life into this and give her the lappy. Instead of doing a full upgrade to AM2 i'll stick with this for a while and go for that EPoX EP-8NPA SLI mobo. I heard good reviews about this board so i'm looking forward to my first sli setup.
 
Heya all,

I jumped on a pre-built Sempron S754 1.6ghz (2800+ Venice) that had an ECS 761GX-M754 motherboard in it. I was wondering, will this overclock at all for the CPU, or should I forget about it on this little rig? Would a BIOS flash make it have voltage options? Right now the only adjustable overclocking-related option is the FSB and RAM/FSB divider. I took out the 256MB RAM it came with and tossed in 2x512MB Mushkin Blue UTT PC3200 RAM, as well as adding a PCI-E x16 Radeon X800GTO2 that is already unlocked (16 pipes) according to ATItool I got "Open Box" from newegg dirt cheap.
 
GoldenTiger said:
I jumped on a pre-built Sempron S754 1.6ghz (2800+ Venice) that had an ECS 761GX-M754 motherboard in it.
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The people that seem to have the best results overclocking their s754 Venice chips have either nForce3 or nForce4 boards. Your Sempron 2800 will do over 2600 MHz ( 325 MHz X 8.0 ) on a good board but you'll probably never see anything close to that on the board you have.
 
unclewebb said:
The people that seem to have the best results overclocking their s754 Venice chips have either nForce3 or nForce4 boards. Your Sempron 2800 will do over 2600 MHz ( 325 MHz X 8.0 ) on a good board but you'll probably never see anything close to that on the board you have.
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Wow, are you serious? I probably would swap the board out at some point when I need that much oomph if so :)... I can't even get this to boot into Windows at 210FSB with the 1:1 ratio set. Is there a different/modded BIOS I should be trying, or am I just going to be stuck at stock CPU speed with this board?
 
I backed off my overclock a bit. I had my 3400+ running at 2.6998ghz but got a hard-freeze for some reason the other day. Stepped back to ~2.6ish. I can do 2.74 or so but it takes a lot of voltage, and my board seems to fluctuate voltage a lot (1.55v varies from 1.55-1.65 via Gigabyte utility).

I'd prefer it running a bit cooler than the few extra mhz. So I run 1.525v or 1.5v max.

BTW I got an x850xt on a Dell deal for about ~$110 AR. Guild Wars at 1920x1200, all maxed out, 4x AA & vertical sync. 'Bout 25-50 fps in heavily crowded towns, 40-80fps while in a mission. :D

Don't need no stinkin' dual channel!
 
L1ght said:
What kind of clocks are people getting with the 754 venice chips?
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The average overclock hover around 2.6 - 2.65 with most Venices. It can hit 2.7 - 2.8 but it take extreme voltage bumps and heavy cooling to get this feat.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Nice going. What hsf are you using? If you have a good one you can get more out of that 3400+. They'll do 2.7+ pretty easily. Right now I'm running game stable at 230x12 @ 1.64v. It'll do 225x12 @ 1.54v easily.
Its great to see more and more people getting turned on to the 3400+ Venice.
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I have the Zalman CNPS7000B-CU on mine with AS compound.
 
Xilikon said:
The average overclock hover around 2.6 - 2.65 with most Venices. It can hit 2.7 - 2.8 but it take extreme voltage bumps and heavy cooling to get this feat.
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Mine will be water cooled, and I am not afraid to bumb up the voltage on such a cheap chip. ;)
 
GoldenTiger said:
Wow, are you serious? I probably would swap the board out at some point when I need that much oomph if so :)... I can't even get this to boot into Windows at 210FSB with the 1:1 ratio set. Is there a different/modded BIOS I should be trying, or am I just going to be stuck at stock CPU speed with this board?
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My previous CPU was an E6 core Sempron 2600 which I used to run mostly at 320 MHz X 8.0 = 2560 MHz at 1.55 volts. At 1.60 volts it would run reliably at 327 MHz X 8.0 ~ 2618 MHz but I had to use a larger memory divider at this speed and didn't really gain much overall performance over 2560 so I usually left it there. The BIOS for my Gigabyte maxes out at 327 so to get beyond that I had to use the ClockGen program which helped me hit about 330 to 335 X 8.0.

This wasn't a one off special processor. I've built a few computers with either the Sempron 2600 or 2800 and I've yet to see a bad one. There are bad overclocking motherboards that either don't have voltage adjustments or don't lock the AGP / PCI frequency but pretty much every s754 Venice core CPU, no matter what it is called or rated at, is a beast waiting to get out. :D

The Gigabyte K8NS is a pretty solid, reliable board for the price. It uses the nVidia nForce3 chipset with AGP. If you have a PCI-E graphics card then look for a s754 nForce4 board instead.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128259
 
I have the Abit NV8 and its a good board for the 3400+ Venice. The DFI would also be an excellent choice. Most people with the DFI's get higher oc's on less voltage from my observations. I don't recommend the Abit NV8 for the 3000+ or 3200+ Venices or with high fsb/low multi settings because of a cold boot issue I was having when the fsb was upped too high. If you set the cpu frequency (fsb) too high the system won't boot up from a cold start, but will warm boot. I had to set my fsb at a lower level, boot up and then reboot and set it up to where I wanted to be (248x11 on the 3200, 265x10 on the 3000+). then when I was done I'd have to reboot, set my fsb to a lower level and then shut down. Fortunately, I don't have to go through such gymnastics with the 3400+ since the fsb can be set low with the 12x multiplier, unless I want to run the 11x or 10x multi's. I've noticed the highest I can go with the 11x multi is 250 on the fsb. If I set anything above 250x11 it will not cold boot.
At present I'm running 230x12 @ 1.66v on air cooling and its no problem. The mobo temp is 34C and idle temp is 38C while gaming temp is in the upper 40's. It only gets into the 50's under Prime95 or Superpi. The rest of my specs are in my sig.
The nice things about the Abit NV8 are that it has DDR433, 466 and 500 ram dividers. If you have some good DDR400 ram you can take advantage of the higher dividers. I'm running my Crucial Ballistix (2x512 DDR400 ram) on the DDR466 divider at present with 2.5-2-2-8 1T settings and it has no problems running 33.2 - 33.4 seconds in Superpi. Its also completely stable in games and apps. I haven't Prime95 tested it and probably won't since I'm not into folding. It also has great voltage options for cpu, ram and chipset. Max ram voltage is 3.2v and cpu voltage adjustments are in .02v increments until 1.7v. After that it is in .05v increments. Chipset increment adjustments are .05v each.

BTW the Gigabyte NF4 PCI-e board I had would not oc past 214 on the fsb no matter what I did so I had to send it back. It absolutely sucked. I got the NV8 to replace it. And don't bother with an Asus of any kind, especially the K8N4-E Deluxe. Max voltage is 1.55v (which shows as 1.52 in CPU-z). Its a very nice board and I would have loved it if the voltage was not so limiting. I'll use it in a game server or HTPC when the time is right.
My 3 recommendations in no particular order are:
DFI with PCI-e
Abit NV8
Biostar Tforce 6100 chipset board with PCI-e
I've heard rave reviews about the Biostar's oc'ing abilities.
 
BigMac: funny you should mention the 6100 chipset on the Biostar board. I built up a low buck AM2 system and used a Gigabyte M55plus-S3G board which used the 6100 chipset. I wasn't expecting too much but I was shocked how easy it was to take an Athlon 3200 2000 MHz chip and hit 2900 MHz with it. :eek:

I backed it down to 2809 MHz and it had no problem running Prime for 24 hours without incident. I think this board was capped at 1.55 volts but that didn't seem to hold it back.

prime28090au.jpg


When NewEgg runs out of s754 Athlon64 3400 chips and stops giving away motherboards then perhaps people will have to take the plunge to AM2. If you can find some cheap DDR2 memory, AM2 isn't too bad for a budget system. Performance is almost as good as an old s754 Athlon. ;)
 
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