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Love your socket 754?

Mega bump!!! :eek: Holy thread resurrection Batman! All the threads about the AMD ATI merger have totally run us off the front page!

Anywhoo, my second 7600GT shows as "shipped" and I just ordered three 120mm Yate Loon fans :D.

Quick question though, two of these 120mm fans will be used as case exhaust fans, but the holes they need to go on are only 80mm...What’s the general opinion on fan adaptors?
 
unclewebb said:
Lich: Did you do any overclocking with the Biostar board? Just wondering what sort of options are available in the BIOS.

Most nForce3 boards respond well to A64Tweaker and ClockGen even if the motherboard manufacturer wasn't thinking ahead. ;)
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No, I haven't tried any of it. Like I said, it was for a client and he was on a budget. Which meant $35DDR and a $60 refurb hard drive (which has since died and the new one came yesterday). Since the comp is sitting in the other room waiting to be brought back to life, maybe i'll play with it a bit. If I do i'll let you know how it goes. Running a Athlon 3000+ methinks.
 
Well. I am apart of the 754 club now =). Only setback for my system is the memory & the IDE Hard Drive. I loved my Patriot XBL single 512 stick to give it up so I slapped it in the new system & it works beautifully. just need to hunt down another 512 stick of it :). I changed my system completly around & did decide to go with an Nforce 4 chipset based board.

CPU: AMD Sempron 3400+
Mobo: Epox 8NPA SLI
Video Card: BFG 7900GT OC
PSU: Enermax Liberty 500W
Sound: Creative Audigy 2 ZS Gamer (Still good so didn't upgrade that)
HD: WD 80 GIG 8MB Cache HD. (May upgrade this soon)

Other stuff like case, keyboard, mouse, is of the standard stuff. Although my mouse is a Razer Copperhead ^^.

-DarkLegacy
 
DarkLegacy said:
U changed my system completly around & did decide to go with an Nforce 4 chipset based board.
...
-DarkLegacy
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Yay! Somone else went wth the Epox 8NPA SLI! :D

You splurged a bit more on the video card than I did, have fun with that 7900GT man :eek:
 
Indeed - but since its an SLI board you'll need to pop in another one of those bad boys so we can see how well that SLI setup works on that "old" s754 setup :p
 
DarkLegacy said:
Well. I am aprt of the 754 club now =). Only setback for my system is the memory & the IDE Hard Drive. I loved my Patriot XBL single 512 stick to give it up so I slapped it in the new system & it works beautifully. just need to hunt down another 512 stick of it :). U changed my system completly around & did decide to go with an Nforce 4 chipset based board.

CPU: AMD Sempron 3400+
Mobo: Epox 8NPA SLI
Video Card: BFG 7900GT OC
PSU: Enermax Liberty 500W
Sound: Creative Audigy 2 ZS Gamer (Still good so didn't upgrade that)
HD: WD 80 GIG 8MB Cache HD. (May upgrade this soon)

Other stuff like case, keyboard, mouse, is of the standard stuff. Although my mouse is a Razer Copperhead ^^.

-DarkLegacy
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Lets make a 8npa club :)
 
noobtech said:
Lets make a 8npa club :)
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Sounds good to me...so far I count a grand total of 3 members :p

BigMacAttack said:
ndeed - but since its an SLI board you'll need to pop in another one of those bad boys so we can see how well that SLI setup works on that "old" s754 setup
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Do you mean me, Noobtech, or DarkLegacy?
 
Can I join :D .

AMD 64 3400+
DFI Infinity NF4X
2 x 512 PC3200 KVR
eVGA 7800GT OC
160 Gig x 2 WD HD's (Raid 0)
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
Ultra 500 Watt PS

Not bad for a ~$420 computer eh?!
 
Welcome aboard! It sure is great to have such an economical powerhouse, eh?

Do you mean me, Noobtech, or DarkLegacy?
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Why not all of you? That way we can compare the video cards.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Welcome aboard! It sure is great to have such an economical powerhouse, eh?
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That gives me an idea...maybe we should set up a s754 folding@home team? :p

I'm allready folding for the Hardforum horde, but I wouldn't mind switching over to team 754, hehe:

 
Unknown-One said:
Yay! Somone else went wth the Epox 8NPA SLI! :D

You splurged a bit more on the video card than I did, have fun with that 7900GT man :eek:
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I almost bought that board back in January. I decided to save the $40 or so and went with the Gigabyte K8NE.

I personally like Epox a lot, ever since my K6-2 350mhz socket7 board and my KT133/750mhz setup. Hell the KT133 is still in my Dad's second PC, running a 1.1ghz T-bird, great internet surfing box.

BTW I've been tinkering with my overclocking again. I had to reinstall windows on the new drive... been busy with baby too.

I can't push the RAM much since it's that cheap Ultra cas 3 stuff and I'm already pushing it to cas 2.5. But I'm confirmed prime95 stable for 12 hours at 242x11 with a ram divider putting my ram at 404mhz...again, not using the 12x multiplier as I had trouble finding a good ram divider for it and my board is very finicky. I've got it at home overnight running memtestx86 with the RAM at cas 2.5/408mhz.

I found what made the board keep rebooting a few times before it would boot properly: the HTT setting. I spent some time narrowing it down. It has to be set to 1.5x whenever I start pushing into the 2.6ghz territory. Even though if I can get it to boot to Windows it's perfectly stable. Must be the motherboard :confused:

unclewebb: I figured out why the del-key overclock-bypass thing wasn't working on my gigabyte board - I needed a PS2 keyboard hooked up :eek: No more CMOS resets, yay!

Since I've done a few updates:

Gigabyte K8NE NF4-4x PCIe motherboard
Venice 3400+ @ 2.66ghz
1 512MB DIMM Corsair Value Select cas 2.5-3-8-8 (one matching DIMM to be RMA'd)
Visiontech vanilla x800 128MB (DDR1)

Recent additions:
160GB WD SATA2 ~$10 AR
430w Antec Truepower ~$40AR
1 1GB DIMM Ultra cas 3-3-8-8 at 2.5-3-8-8 ~$60 AR
 
GreenMonkey said:
I found what made the board keep rebooting a few times before it would boot properly: the HTT setting. I spent some time narrowing it down. It has to be set to 1.5x whenever I start pushing into the 2.6ghz territory. Even though if I can get it to boot to Windows it's perfectly stable. Must be the motherboard :confused:
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My Gigabyte board used to give me some grief when I first started pushing it hard as well. The cure for me was some extra chipset voltage. Since last summer I've used a BIOS setting of +0.2 volts but even +0.1 volts should help things out.

The K8NS-Pro board used a chipset fan but I took it off because it was way too loud. The extra heat and extra volts don't seem to be causing any problems even when I crank the HTT to 327 MHz which is the max BIOS setting on my board.
 
Did you replace the chipset HSF with something else? It is damned loud but I'd think that having no HSF on it would make it burn up? :confused:
 
uzum4ki said:
Did you replace the chipset HSF with something else? It is damned loud but I'd think that having no HSF on it would make it burn up? :confused:
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I removed the fan and just left the original heatsink in place. It's not much of a heatsink with the fan missing and my original plan was to replace it but everything works fine so I just left it.

I've shown my s754 absolutely no mercy. The MHz have gone sky high and the volts have gone even higher for both the CPU and the chipset. There's been no stability troubles even during the heat of summer without a fan on the chipset so why bother having one? :cool:
 
I found an interesting program yesterday called Thaiphoon Burner which is available from here:
http://cbid.amdclub.ru/
http://cbid.amdclub.ru/files/thphn30.zip

Programmed into the SPD of each memory module are settings that control what timings your memory should run at. The motherboard BIOS reads this info and then sets your memory timings appropriately.

The problem is that sometimes these settings are too aggressive or too conservative. The other problem is that some motherboards don't allow enough adjustability of memory timings in the BIOS so you are stuck with whatever settings are programmed into the memory from the factory.

During some extreme overclocking attempts I've had my Gigabyte board lock up once or twice ;) After that it goes and resets all of the memory timings to default which is what is programmed into the SPD on a memory module. With the HTT still at 267 and the memory divider reset to DDR400, the whole damn thing locks up and won't boot up because there's no way my memory can run 1:1 at that speed.

By using Thaiphoon Burner, I was able to program aggresive timings into my memory so now even if the Gigabyte board locks up and gets confused, it doesn't matter. On the next BOOT it will load up the default settings which are exactly the settings that I want. You can also program directly into the memory the memory divider that you want your BIOS to use.

It looks funny having my PC3200 memory being called PC2700 but when the BIOS reads this info it sets the memory divider to 166 when I'm overclocked and allows my memory to run at ~223 MHz. Perfect.

The only thing I need to adjust now in the BIOS is the HTT. Everything else can be left on AUTO. You can still over ride the SPD memory timings in the BIOS if you ever need to and if you save your original SPD it's no problem burning this info back into your memory module if you ever need to.

If any of this sounds interesting and you need some help just ask. Here's the default timings I'm getting now from my memory:

timingsjv9.png
 
I guess I'll add my name to the fold, as I just built a new comp based off the AMD64 3400+ Venice core CPU with mobo deal that the egg is having. Pretty nifty upgrade for $100, considering I was on an Athlon XP 2400+ still. I had planned on waiting till I got my B.S.E.E in December to treat myself to a nice new screaming rig (AM2 or Conroe), but with this I think I can hold out until all the quad cores, next gen GPU's, associated motherboards and Vista are out and mature.

The Biostar mobo it came with isn't exactly stellar (I'm having an issue with my primary slave HDD, the 60 gig WD crashes the comp when it's accessed, but if I try it with a 120 gig WD it works flawlessly) but it's hard to complain about an essentially free mobo. I haven't had time to rip the case open and check, but I think the 60 gig slave HDD might have actually been jumpered to master. Would that cause the computer to crash once the HDD was accessed/opened? Outside of that I'm a little confused as to why one WD drive works great and the other crashes the comp within 3 seconds, especially considering the HDD worked fine just a day ago. Any thoughts?
 
Levii: trying to run two hard drives as master on the same line will definitely cause some problems. Most motherboards don't even get by the BIOS if there is a problem like this.

Time to open the case and have a look.
 
Just got my new 3400+ tonight...this replaced a 3000+ newcastle. Processor is running with stock heatsink. Processor code was LBBLE 0524FPAW. Currently this is where I am at
3400.jpg


As you can see I just started Prime95 for the night. The processor runs around 40C at idle. Finally I am running a DFI LanParty Nforce3 250GB with 2 gigs of Corsair value RAM.
 
Well, I guess since I am going to be keeping my current setup for the next couple years, I might as well update it to the best venice core.

That way I have the best of that specific chip. 2.7 is a good oc!
 
noobtech said:
Well, I guess since I am going to be keeping my current setup for the next couple years, I might as well update it to the best venice core.

That way I have the best of that specific chip. 2.7 is a good oc!
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Yeah - here is my latest effort
250x11memory.jpg
250x11cpu.jpg
 
Anyone tried to use a different HSF combo on there 8NPA SLI boards? Still using the stock on my Sempron & its not all that bad for the CPU. Already know I can do so much better though with a more quality HSF setup. Been googling it to see if I can find any that are able to fit the board =)

-DarkLegacy
 
Hey so I jumped on the A64/Biostar combo at Newegg and it should be arriving shortly. It looked like a great deal and that's why I nabbed it.

Thing is I currently have a XP-M Barton and it has the same cache memory as the 3400

This is my first A64 purchase and due to lack of funds I'm unable to buy the high end 939 or AM2 stuff. Am I going to see a big performance increase in gaming and possibly with video editing too?

(video card is an X800XL AGP)

CPU-Z output
_____________________________________________

Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD Athlon XP-M
Code name Barton
Specification Unknown CPU Typ
Family/Model/Stepping 6A0
Extended Family/Model 7/A
Package Socket A
Technology 0.13um
Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Features
Clock Speed 1640.1 MHz
Clock multiplier x10.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 164.0 MHz
Bus Speed 328.0 MHz
Stock frequency 1333 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 1640.1 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits

Chipset
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge nVidia nForce2 Ultra 400 rev. C1
Southbridge nVidia nForce2 MCP rev. A4
Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Revision 3.0
AGP Transfer Rate 8x
AGP SBA supported, enabled
Memory Type DDR
Memory Size 1024 MBytes
Memory Frequency 164.0 MHz (1:1)
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 6


Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR
Manufacturer (ID) OCZ (7F7F7F7FB0000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number OCZ4001024PFDC-K

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 3
RAS# Precharge 3
TRAS 6



DIMM #2

General
Memory type DDR
Manufacturer (ID) OCZ (7F7F7F7FB0000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number OCZ4001024PFDC-K

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 3
RAS# Precharge 3
TRAS 6
 
BigMacAttack said:
Yeah - here is my latest effort
250x11cpu.jpg
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Dang, I wish mine would OC like that. Mine can do 2.5 without a voltage bump, but after that it gets power hungy and needs to be jolted to 1.6v to keep it prime stable at 2.6GHz.

It is Windows and benchmark stable at 2.7GHz though.


DarkLegacy said:
Anyone tried to use a different HSF combo on there 8NPA SLI boards? Still using the stock on my Sempron & its not all that bad for the CPU. Already know I can do so much better though with a more quality HSF setup. Been googling it to see if I can find any that are able to fit the board =)

-DarkLegacy
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Yup, I've got a BigTyphoon on mine :D Just be sure to use the backplate the BigTyphoon comes with instead (metal) instead of the one that comes with the motherboard (Plastic), otherwise you'll but a good sized warp in your board when you tighten it down.


nanoMeter said:
Hey so I jumped on the A64/Biostar combo at Newegg and it should be arriving shortly. It looked like a great deal and that's why I nabbed it.

Thing is I currently have a XP-M Barton and it has the same cache memory as the 3400

This is my first A64 purchase and due to lack of funds I'm unable to buy the high end 939 or AM2 stuff. Am I going to see a big performance increase in gaming and possibly with video editing too?
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In short, the Athlon 64 3400+ will stomp your current 1.6GHz Barton setup.
 
Hey nanoMeter - download and run Sisandra on your present setup, then run it on the 3400+. when you get it up and running. Here is what mine did at 230x12
230x12Sisandra.jpg

Unknown One - I never test Prime stable (I'm a bad boy) just game stable (Half-Life Deathmatch). If it crashes I adjust settings. I'd be willing to bet it would be difficult to get it Prime stable at 2.7 for 24 hrs.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Welcome Mr Stryker. I see you have the 3400+ Venice also. OCing it any?
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It is currently OCed using stock voltage at 2.5GHz, 10x250, 1:1 divider, running with PC4000 RAM. It's a beast. Gotta love the x1800xt performance. 9232 3DMark05 with a 20Mhz/50MHz mild OC on my video card.
 
Mr. Stryker said:
It is currently OCed using stock voltage at 2.5GHz, 10x250, 1:1 divider, running with PC4000 RAM. It's a beast. Gotta love the x1800xt performance. 9232 3DMark05 with a 20Mhz/50MHz mild OC on my video card.
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Nice. My X800Pro struggles with 3DMark05 - only in the 3000's, but it does everything I need it to do. I may flash it to XT/PE speeds one day since it is a VIVO card but I'll need a better gpu cooler first.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Hey nanoMeter - download and run Sisandra on your present setup, then run it on the 3400+. when you get it up and running. Here is what mine did at 230x12
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BigMac, here's the bench results I got for my current XP-M Barton. Part of the reason I bought the 3400 combo was because the XP-M is unlocked and at one time I had it at 2.2 and seemingly stable with a Biostar mobo but something went wrong a while back and it now won't hold a stable clock past 1.6. I determined that the mobo was flaky having ruled out the RAM and PS. Makes me a bit worried about the Biostar mobo the 3400 is coming with.

Sandra_XP-M_bench.jpg
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
bark. this threads got some longevity huh?? almost 3000 posts and over 1 year of active posting. good work s754 bros.
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better than the am2 thread :'(
 
These single core s754 chips are in good company. I cranked my Athlon 3000 up to BigMac speed for a fair comparison.

sisoftyx2.png
 
Unknown-One said:
You might want to update to the latest free verson of Sandra,
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I tried that version but decided to use the earlier version so my numbers would be comparable to BigMac & others.

People need to know that there's no shame in only being able to afford an old s754 CPU. :cool:

Gamers will be better off investing the money they save in a good GPU.
 
unclewebb said:
I tried that version but decided to use the earlier version so my numbers would be comparable to BigMac & others.

People need to know that there's no shame in only being able to afford an old s754 CPU. :cool:

Gamers will be better off investing the money they save in a good GPU.
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Investing in what? :)
 
BigMacAttack said:
Nice. My X800Pro struggles with 3DMark05 - only in the 3000's, but it does everything I need it to do. I may flash it to XT/PE speeds one day since it is a VIVO card but I'll need a better gpu cooler first.
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Hell yeah. Once you flash a X800Pro Vivo to a X800XT you could get 6k 3dmark05 right away. Its a nice boost. My CPU is currently at 2625Mhz with 250x10.5. I'll try 11 and 11.5 maybe 12 once I get that Swiftech waterblock and coll the GPU too. Should look sweet.

CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
bark. this threads got some longevity huh?? almost 3000 posts and over 1 year of active posting. good work s754 bros.
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Oh, yes, of course. I even liked my 754 computers more than my 939 ones. :confused: I guess I like the power in them little chips, I say they compete with LGA775 pretty good! lol
 
Nice job unclewebb! I couldn't get my 3000+ past 265x10. My 3200+ Venice went to 2.73 (248x11) so since I had it just laying around I traded it to a fellow on another forum for a 3000+ that he had +$25 cash. He's getting 2.7 from it and he's ecstatic since the 3000+ he had (the one I'm getting) did "only" 2.5. I'll give it a go and see if it can do better in my setup. If not it will make either a nice HTPC or game server chip.
 
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