Love your socket 754?

[W4ngsta]

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[Unknown-One]

Ok, I've got the pics uploaded and I've OC'd the card. Check it out!

First off, the famous eVGA brown box. Now look whats inside!


And here she is installed (Yes, thats a 120mm fan hanging off the back )


All put back together and ready to go:


Anybody know where to buy those little Zalman RAM Sinks? The ones that came with my vf700 are attached with Arctic Epoxy to my old card:


I did a quick overclock to 575MHz on the Core and 800MHz (1600MHz DDR) on the Ram. The RAM has more in it, but the overclocking slider in the Nvidia control panel literally does not go any further than 800MHz. I'll have to install riva tuner and see how far I can really overclock the RAM.

So, at 575/800 I pulled off an impressive 9550 points in 3DMark 05 on stock cooling, imagine how far it might go once I get the Zalman on there (10k here I come!)

 

[noobtech]

Do you guys think its possible to find a 3700+ clawhammer non mobile s754 for $75 or am I just dreaming?

 

[Unknown-One]

Do you guys think its possible to find a 3700+ clawhammer non mobile s754 for $75 or am I just dreaming?

Erm...why are you looking for a 3700+ (2.4GHz) Clawhammer when you can get a 3400+ (2.4GHz) Venice for less?

Does the Claw have more L2 cache or something?

 

[noobtech]

The two...
3700+ is like 130nm or whatever with higher voltage... no SSe3 L2cache is 1mb

3400+ is like 90nm or whatever with lower voltage... SSE3 & 512k L2.

I bought a 3400+ Venice from Mr. Stryker... so I was going to put that in my system and try to find a nice 3700+ for the other system. LoL

and sell the 3000+ venice and my Pentium III 1.4. YAY

So yeah, it would just be nice to have it... just to have it. Old school rocks my world.

 

[BigMacAttack]

Well, you have to remember the week codes from those Venices. Some of them were as old as the CABNE 0530APMW Opterons that spawned the Opteron craze. They had them for awhile, they were just holding out on us.

Yes, I know. My 3400+ Venice was produced one year ago(!) I liked my 3000+ and 3200+ Venices but IMO the 3400+ is the best, at least in my combo.

 

[BigMacAttack]

Add me as a member of the 754 club! Currently running a Sempron 2800+ @ 2.48 Ghz. Sucky Asus K8N4-E Deluxe BIOS wont let me change crap on the cpu, multi or voltage at all, so I had to get the most out of my processor, which I think is pretty decent for stock voltages.

Its not the bios' fault - the 2800+ multi is non-adjustable if I am not mistaken. The thing I don't like about that mobo is the 1.55v limit on the vcore. I still have one of those boards and I'll use it for a game server at stock speed and voltage. It would have been a great board had Asus not castrated it the way they did.
BTW what bios version are you running? Their latest beta (v1014 I think) was ok, but as I said, vcore maxed out at 1.55v. You should be able to adjust vcore and ram voltages at least.
and again BTW - nice oc!

 

[BigMacAttack]

The two...
3700+ is like 130nm or whatever with higher voltage... no SSe3 L2cache is 1mb

3400+ is like 90nm or whatever with lower voltage... SSE3 & 512k L2.

I bought a 3400+ Venice from Mr. Stryker... so I was going to put that in my system and try to find a nice 3700+ for the other system. LoL

and sell the 3000+ venice and my Pentium III 1.4. YAY

So yeah, it would just be nice to have it... just to have it. Old school rocks my world.

Sorry - but the 90nm 3400+ Venice does not support SSE3. THe DH-E6 core of the 3000+ and 3200+ does, but the DH-E3 core of the 3400+ does not.
And the 3400+ Venice will smoke the 3700+ Clawhammer. I know, I have both. 2.58 from the Claw and 2.75 from the Venice. Sure the 3700+ Claw has a full 1mb of L2 cache vs the 3400+'s 512 kb but the 3400+ outpaces the 3700+ Claw by a good margin and runs a lot cooler to boot. Get the 3400+ Venice for $99 from Newegg with a free mobo or $95 from Starmicro without a free mobo. Either way, its the better buy.

 

[noobtech]

oh yeah, I forgot about that Big Mac Thanks for the correction.

 

[BigMacAttack]

thats why they pay me the big $$$ (yeah, I wish)

 

[Unknown-One]

Sorry - but the 90nm 3400+ Venice does not support SSE3. THe DH-E6 core of the 3000+ and 3200+ does, but the DH-E3 core of the 3400+ does not...

Erm...BigMac, the 3400+ Venice does support SSE3:

...And the 3400+ Venice will smoke the 3700+ Clawhammer. I know, I have both. 2.58 from the Claw and 2.75 from the Venice. Sure the 3700+ Claw has a full 1mb of L2 cache vs the 3400+'s 512 kb but the 3400+ outpaces the 3700+ Claw by a good margin and runs a lot cooler to boot. Get the 3400+ Venice for $99 from Newegg with a free mobo or $95 from Starmicro without a free mobo. Either way, its the better buy.

Ok, you got the rest of it right

Edit: no love for my insane 3DMark score?

 

[W4ngsta]

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[unclewebb]

As for the multi control, I really dont care about it, I just want Vcore control, but sadly, they still dont have it.

I remember one s754 board ( Chaintech or Asus K8N I think ) that only allowed CPU voltage adjustments if the processor supported Cool and Quiet. Unfortunately your Sempron 2800 does not support C&Q.

If you sell your Sempron and get an Athlon64 3000 your board might just come alive with plenty of voltage options and the 10X multi would help out too. s754 A64 chips are getting cheaper every day on eBay.

Good overclock by the way. Without voltage adjustment I think my Sempron 2800 was only stable to about 290 MHz HTT on a Chaintech board.

 

[Svperstar]

I am still in the 754 club

My chaintech VNF-250 died last weekend after being cleaned, running on an Asus K8N right now, I like it because it doesn't give off the same high pitched squeel when music/videos are playing that the VNF-250 did.

I am waiting for DX10 GPUs before I ditch AGP, I've waited this long so eh

 

[noobtech]

I am still in the 754 club

My chaintech VNF-250 died last weekend after being cleaned, running on an Asus K8N right now, I like it because it doesn't give off the same high pitched squeel when music/videos are playing that the VNF-250 did.

I am waiting for DX10 GPUs before I ditch AGP, I've waited this long so eh

how did you clean the board? Thats a bummer it died on you...

As for waiting for DX10. That's pretty good... Saving the $$.. but being on the bleeding edge or close to it is fun.

 

[Svperstar]

I don't know what happened, I have been building my own systems for 10 years now, not just my own but my friends/family blah blah. Never had a motherboard die on me before.

I was at a table, wearing shoes, so I dont think it was static.

All I did was take it out of the case, use compressed air to clean it off, I cleaned off the CPU and heatsink with rubbing alcohol, and applied new Arctic Silver 5. Sprayed out the inside of the case with compressed air, and put it all back together.

When I booted up the PC, it wouldn't post, no video, nothing.

I didnt feel like ordering off the net so I went to a local store that is a bit pricy but have great customer service. They tested all my parts for me and verified the motherboard was toast.

There weren't any stay screws pressing against the PCB or anything, not sure what it was, the board was over 2 years old. Maybe a cap fell off and I didn't notice *shrug*

Anyway the Asus KV8 works very well, though I wish I didn't have to spend the money this late in the game

 

[Svperstar]

As for waiting for DX10. That's pretty good... Saving the $$.. but being on the bleeding edge or close to it is fun.

The ironic thing is when I was 16-20 and couldn't really afford it, I would blow all of my extra $ on computer parts. I spent $600 on Voodoo SLI when they came out, then I bought a Voodoo 3 the week it was released. I pre-ordered a GeForce DDR and was one of the first people I know to get it. I had mine in early December 1999(I have actually had people tell me I am full of crap and it didn't come out till February 2000 lol).

However now that I am done with college and have a Real Job, I can't justify spending $600 or more on a video card, or upgrading my CPU all the time. This little 754 is running @ 2.5 ghz right now, plenty fast for now.

It used to be that I would upgrade for a reason, Voodoo 2 SLI finally allowed me to play 1024x768 and fast. The GeForce DDR allowed me to play @ 32-bit color. My Radeon 8500 was much faster than the GeForce DDR and allowed me to use AF. The 9700 Pro made 4x AA/8x AF playable in almost every game. Most people I see getting the "bleeding edge" do it to play @ 1920x1440 or whatever, I don't care about running that high res, 1440x900 + AA doesn't really have jaggies.

I am almost done with Half-Life Episode 1 and it plays just fine on my overclocked 6800 GT. FEAR and Oblivion are the only games that really made me want to upgrade but I just turned the sliders down a bit in Oblivion and dropped a res in FEAR. It isn't like the days where you HAD to upgrade to play new games.

I also used to play computer games 6+ hours a day, now I play maybe 2 hours every 2 days.

Sucking being an Adult

 

[noobtech]

Sucking being an Adult

It is pretty tough. I miss having nothing to worry about and can play 6 hours a day... I am just like you. I probably play an hour here or there if i'm lucky.

 

[Unknown-One]

Shit, that didn't last long. I got one of the 7900GT's with the bad RAM chips, so it totaly failed after a couple of hours.

Newegg will only let me return it for a refund, and EVGA's support line isn't open on weekends. I guess I'll have to wait for Monday and see if I can get EVGA to replace the card with a newer revision with good RAM.

Edit: forgot to menton, my framerates in Oblivion didn't realy improve over the 7600GT I had before...I realy hope I'm not CPU limited

 

[BigMacAttack]

Erm...BigMac, the 3400+ Venice does support SSE3:




Ok, you got the rest of it right

Edit: no love for my insane 3DMark score?

That is unusual because I remember reading that the DH-E3 core did not support SSE3 while the DH-E6 core does. My CPU-z shows the same thing - but I've seen CPU-z report incorrect stuff before so I'm going to have to take the CPU-z report with a grain of salt. It could be that it is seeing the DH-E core reading and whoever programmed it did it wrong. I'll have to keep looking into that.
SLI on skt 754 - gotta love it! Sorry to hear about the bum video card, but you'lle be back up and running again soon. Let us know when you crack the 10,000 barrier!

 

[Unknown-One]

SLI on skt 754 - gotta love it! Sorry to hear about the bum video card, but you'lle be back up and running again soon. Let us know when you crack the 10,000 barrier!

Lets just hope EVGA is as good as people say they are about RMA's.

On a slightly better note, I had a chance to try a volt mod on my old 7600GT and pulled out a 7000 point 3DMark05 score. I'm actualy beating some 7800GT's

 

[quadnad]

Lets just hope EVGA is as good as people say they are about RMA's.

On a slightly better note, I had a chance to try a volt mod on my old 7600GT and pulled out a 7000 point 3DMark05 score. I'm actualy beating some 7800GT's

Hey man, I had to go through the RMA process with eVGA and let me tell you that they went far beyond what I could ever have expected.

Once you get your new one make sure to grab a circuit writing pen and voltmod the hell out of it

 

[cirial]

i'll be in.. check my sig for my specs

btw, does anyone know what the fastest cpu is that I can fit in a Asus K8V SE Deluxe?

 

[Mr. Stryker]

I believe just like any other board, Newark chips and Venices could be supported by it anyway.

 

[unclewebb]

That is unusual because I remember reading that the DH-E3 core did not support SSE3 while the DH-E6 core does.

DH-E3 does support SSE3. If you don't believe CPU-z you can try using Crystal CPUID.
http://crystalmark.info/download/download.cgi?file=CrystalCPUID

My friend had a 90nm Sempron that does not support SSE3. It's the previous DH8-D0 stepping.

 

[Mr. Stryker]

Shit, that didn't last long. I got one of the 7900GT's with the bad RAM chips, so it totaly failed after a couple of hours.

Newegg will only let me return it for a refund, and EVGA's support line isn't open on weekends. I guess I'll have to wait for Monday and see if I can get EVGA to replace the card with a newer revision with good RAM.

Edit: forgot to mention, my framerates in Oblivion didn't realy improve over the 7600GT I had before...I really hope I'm not CPU limited

Shit, that really sucks, dude. The bad design wastes your time, making you do all the RMA stuff and paperwork. And the patience. That was a sweet looking 7900GT though. Much better heatsink than those wimpy ones. Good luck, dude.

 

[MiXdNuTs]

when i get my 3rd double sided stick, i'll see if the revE s754 chips fix this. for now though, DS + DS + SS =

So will I be ok with 2x1GB DS ram? Only two slots on my NF3mobo.

 

[Unknown-One]

Hey man, I had to go through the RMA process with eVGA and let me tell you that they went far beyond what I could ever have expected.

Well, yes, I can't fault them on their exelent service...but the bastards made ME pay for the shiping on my replacement card.

If they send me back another one with defective RAM I'm gunna be pissed.

 

[quadnad]

Well, yes, I can't fault them on their exelent service...but the bastards made ME pay for the shiping on my replacement card.

If they send me back another one with defective RAM I'm gunna be pissed.

really?! mine was overnighted with a return shipping sticker in the box...

 

[Unknown-One]

really?! mine was overnighted with a return shipping sticker in the box...

How did you pull that off? I went through their automated RMA service on their website...I'm wondering if I should call and see if I can straighten this out?

Edit: Sent an email to eVGA's RMA dept.

Edit: made a phone call and they gave me cross shipping "this one time". Note to all eVGA users, they no longer offer cross shipping unless it’s a special case!

 

[BigMacAttack]

DH-E3 does support SSE3. If you don't believe CPU-z you can try using Crystal CPUID.
http://crystalmark.info/download/download.cgi?file=CrystalCPUID

My friend had a 90nm Sempron that does not support SSE3. It's the previous DH8-D0 stepping.

I stand corrected. I had emailed AMD support about the SSE3 issue and their reply was "yes it does support SSE3." I just relearned an old lesson: "don't believe everything you read!" Well, that is good news I guess, if I ever run into any SSE3 apps that is

 

[Unknown-One]

I stand corrected. I had emailed AMD support about the SSE3 issue and their reply was "yes it does support SSE3." I just relearned an old lesson: "don't believe everything you read!" Well, that is good news I guess, if I ever run into any SSE3 apps that is

The only thing I can think off off the top of my head that "needs" SSE3 is Mac OS (but they can get away with that because they only sell their OS with the required hardware).

I think it might be a bit early for apps that have optimizations for SSE3, many apps have yet to optimize for SSE2 as it is

 

[unclewebb]

I know that Adobe Premiere Elements 2.0 only works on CPUs that have SSE2 support but I haven't heard of any apps that only work on an SSE3 capable processor.

I always find that it's better to have one useless feature too many than to get screwed over the day after you buy something!

 

[BR3T]

After 4 hours of fiddling around with settings, I got my system to boot with oc settings in the bios and not clockgen. But i have a few questions for the resident 754 experts. i can get my htt above 310, but i need to drop my multiplier to 8 from 10, is this normal, or do i need to do anything else. also, its not even close to being prime stable, can't even finish the first test .

I did just get some g.skill pc4000 2GBHZ, and that runs fine at stock settings with the ddr500 divider selected.

any thoughts, suggestions, comments? Thanks.

 

[BigMacAttack]

After 4 hours of fiddling around with settings, I got my system to boot with oc settings in the bios and not clockgen. But i have a few questions for the resident 754 experts. i can get my htt above 310, but i need to drop my multiplier to 8 from 10, is this normal, or do i need to do anything else. also, its not even close to being prime stable, can't even finish the first test .

I did just get some g.skill pc4000 2GBHZ, and that runs fine at stock settings with the ddr500 divider selected.

any thoughts, suggestions, comments? Thanks.

Hey BR3T
Take a look at this article on how to oc your system. It is very helpful.
http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=300
In response to your questions about the htt; yes, when upping the cpu frequency you will sometimes need to drop the multiplier down in order to attain a stable oc. Another thing you will also want to do is adjust your Hypertransport bus speed from 800 mhz (4x) to 400 mhz (2x) when going to a cpu freq. speed of 310 (what is sometimes called the fsb or front side bus). You'll also need to run a divider on your ram. The article will tell you everything you need to know, not only the "what" but the "why" as well.

 

[BR3T]

Hey BR3T
Take a look at this article on how to oc your system. It is very helpful.
http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=300
In response to your questions about the htt; yes, when upping the cpu frequency you will sometimes need to drop the multiplier down in order to attain a stable oc. Another thing you will also want to do is adjust your Hypertransport bus speed from 800 mhz (4x) to 400 mhz (2x) when going to a cpu freq. speed of 310 (what is sometimes called the fsb or front side bus). You'll also need to run a divider on your ram. The article will tell you everything you need to know, not only the "what" but the "why" as well.

Thanks for the link, that article looks like it will be super helpful. I had alread lowered the Hypertransport bus from 4x to 2.5x, and set the ram divider at ddr333. But i will have to wait til i get home from work this evening to go through that article see what i can do better to get that speed and stability i crave.

 

[unclewebb]

Thanks for the link, that article looks like it will be super helpful. I had alread lowered the Hypertransport bus from 4x to 2.5x, and set the ram divider at ddr333. But i will have to wait til i get home from work this evening to go through that article see what i can do better to get that speed and stability i crave.

Some nForce3 boards don't overclock nearly as well or as stable when using more than 1 memory module. If you seem to be hitting the wall too soon try running only one stick of RAM and see if things improve. You might need to run a command rate of 2T if you're going to be using two sticks.

 

[Ruiner]

fwiw, I have a spare revE sempron up for sale here:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=993772

 

[GreenMonkey]

I got my Corsair Value Select (cas 2.5) 512MB back from Corsair RMA process.

I tried dumping into my Venice 3400+ box, which has been running the other Corsair 512MB and my 1GB Ultra RAM. Defaulted to 333mhz. No luck even at cas 3.

Tried booting it up at 400mhz. Nothing. Power cycle and it defaults back to 333mhz again.

Looks like my board/CPU doesn't like 3 double sided sticks of RAM. Too bad, 2GB would have been nice. I'll have to pass along the Corsair stick to my wife's 1800+ machine.

 

[BigMacAttack]

Yeah - 3 sticks will automatically default to DDR333 2T and will not run at DDR400 no matter what you do. I found that out a long time ago. Its ok if you have apps that are ram intensive but if you are interested in speed you need to fill only 2 slots.