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Love your socket 754?

Man - I wish my Venices would clock high on such low volts. Mine failed Prime95 at 218x11 (2.4 ghz) and needed .02v increments to get it to run faster. 236x11 @1.48v (2.596 ghz) is probably the best all-around setting I should use but I just like to run at 248x11 (2.728 ghz). Its extremely quick at that setting running the ram on the DDR466 divider. This Abit NV8 has some nice divider options (typical below DDR400, plus DDR433, 466 and 500).
Emission - are (or were) you on a water cooling setup or on air?
 
Until I can bring myself to cut 120mm holes in my Lian Li, I've undervolted my Newcastle and tweaked my settings. This thing will do well under stock voltage at stock clocks, and will idle at case temperature when its set that way.:D

Unless I start a game (7600 GT overheats), I can turn every fan in my PC off. It’s sorta eerie not being able to hear even the faintest noise from the PC your working at...

BTW, it appears my motherboard has some funky options for memory dividers. I get the standard stuff like 133 and 166MHz, but there's also a 250MHz multiplier in there. My RAM can do 250MHz...I wonder how running the RAM faster than the FSB would affect performance?
 
Try it and see. On a whim I decided to try running my DDR400 on the DDR433 divider and not only did it run, it ran better than it ever had up to that point, so I threw caution to the wind and tried the DDR466 divider. I was amazed at how much of a difference it made. I went from running Superpi at 37 sec on the DDR333 divider to running it at 34 sec on the DDR466 divider. I tried the DDR500 divider but it was just too much so the 466 divider is where it stays. I can actually see and feel the difference in day-to-day apps. They open faster and respond faster as well.
 
Mr. Stryker said:
Very nice. Are you using the 133MHz RAM divider with that? Also what motherboard are you using?
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Yeah, but I just got a new bios with more DFI like dividers such as 150, 180, and so on to 250 with a Tforce6100 754. They just keep giving better and better bios every chance they get. The bios is almost exactly like a DFI bios. Id like to get some BH-UTT memory for this so I can crank up the volts for my memory upto 3.2v and get results like 500mhz with 2-2-2-5 timmings from some gskills. I had a OCZ DDR600 awile back and got it pritty high.
 
No actual CPU pic, but here is my one and only Asus K8V-SE Deluxe. Sigh. :p
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My wicked stock cooling...
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BigMacAttack said:
Man - I wish my Venices would clock high on such low volts. Mine failed Prime95 at 218x11 (2.4 ghz) and needed .02v increments to get it to run faster. 236x11 @1.48v (2.596 ghz) is probably the best all-around setting I should use but I just like to run at 248x11 (2.728 ghz). Its extremely quick at that setting running the ram on the DDR466 divider. This Abit NV8 has some nice divider options (typical below DDR400, plus DDR433, 466 and 500).
Emission - are (or were) you on a water cooling setup or on air?
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I was using a Zalman CNPS7000Cu, Air.
 
You guys can add me to the 754 club, I have a Sempron 3000+ 754 too :)
 
Some of you may know that AMD has made the Venice core for socket 754 (actually its the same DH-E_ core as used in the Palermo Sempron cpu's). So far it has been released in 3000+ and 3200+ flavors as a boxed socket. What some of you might not know is that a 3400+ OEM (tray) Venice is also available. It has the DH-E3 core and runs at 2.4 ghz. I just ordered one at StarMicro Inc.
http://www.starmicro.net/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=ADA3400AIK4BO
I hope to have it here by Friday of this week or sometime early next week.
I have both the 3000+ and 3200+ variants and they oc very nicely. See my sig for the 3200+ oc. The 3000+ would see 2.6-2.7 which wasn't too bad either.
If any of you are interested in the "old" socket 754 Venice cpu's I'd suggest you check it out. :D
 
does that seem like a legit site :confused: If so I am ordering the 3400+ Venice right now :cool: I just hope it is not like the 3400+ Newcastle that was clocked at 2.4ghz stock but wouldnt do much above 2.6ghz oc'ed......LMK bigmack ;)
 
wow, tight, lets hope that new venice OCs, I may just have to pick one up :cool: Let us all know BigMacAttack, i know I am not the only one interested.
 
I too am very interested... I'd rather not have to overclock my 3000+ venice right now... I can't get over 2.4. I can always put mine in my wifes PC and sell her SEmpron.

Do you know what the Multiplier is on the 3400+? I hated the 3400+ Newcastles overclocking ability, but it was my first AMD CPU since 1996... The Newcastle still rocked! :)
 
I was just thinking how funny it is that we buy these processors still when we can easily just get an opteron 144 or something for the same price. I dun care cause I had a 144 & 165... I love Venice.
 
I forgot about this post -- add me to the list; 3000+, 512kb cache. No idea what core. :) Clawhammer maybe.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Some of you may know that AMD has made the Venice core for socket 754 (actually its the same DH-E_ core as used in the Palermo Sempron cpu's). So far it has been released in 3000+ and 3200+ flavors as a boxed socket. What some of you might not know is that a 3400+ OEM (tray) Venice is also available. It has the DH-E3 core and runs at 2.4 ghz. I just ordered one at StarMicro Inc.
http://www.starmicro.net/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=ADA3400AIK4BO
I hope to have it here by Friday of this week or sometime early next week.
I have both the 3000+ and 3200+ variants and they oc very nicely. See my sig for the 3200+ oc. The 3000+ would see 2.6-2.7 which wasn't too bad either.
If any of you are interested in the "old" socket 754 Venice cpu's I'd suggest you check it out. :D
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let me know how it turns out going with StarMicro Inc. too... they have all sorts of cheap cpu's for old hardware
 
You can bet I'll let you guys know how it does. :D
The 3400+ is rated at 2.4 ghz so the multi is 12x. I sure would love to get upwards of 240 FSB on it, but we'll see. I suspect it won't arrive until early next week since I just opted for ground shipping. Its coming from Calif and I am in FL so I don't expect it to be a fast trip.
I did call the shop about it and spoke with a gent there to confirm that it is indeed the Venice cpu. He said it was and the tray part number is identical to the one on the AMD website processor comparison page.
Interestingly enough, just for grins I went to compare the wattage of the 3400+ to the 3000+ and 3200+ Venices but I see that these cpu's are no longer in the database! :eek: I was rather surprised because they were there a month ago. It lists 2800+ and then jumps up to the 3400+ on the socket 754 cpu listing. Makes me wonder if the current inventory of 3000+ and 3200+ Venices is all there is left. I'm glad to have gotten mine when I did because I think this batch of 3400+ Venices may be a rarity as well.

BTW CrimandEvil I hear the Biostar TForce6100 is a superb oc'ing mobo as well. You might want to look into it and compare it with the Jetway. I just hope my Abit NV8 turns out to be a good match.

Noobtech - yeah the Opty 144 is a good buy but then I have to get a new mobo and maybe even some new ram. With these new cpu's for s754 we can get about the same performance for a lot less initial outlay. Sure, we'll all have to upgrade one day but a stopgap cpu will hold us over a little bit longer for less. ;)
 
BigMacAttack said:
BTW CrimandEvil I hear the Biostar TForce6100 is a superb oc'ing mobo as well. You might want to look into it and compare it with the Jetway. I just hope my Abit NV8 turns out to be a good match.
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I plan on picking up one of those too but first I'm going to need this s754 system for a system going into Silverstone's LC19 for a review I'll be working on which is why I need TV out on the board.
 
BigMacAttack said:
I just ordered one at StarMicro Inc.
http://www.starmicro.net/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=ADA3400AIK4BO
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Tell us how that goes...if they are legit I'll buy one of them in a heartbeat at only $99 :eek:

Should do better then me current Newcastle, the darn will do exactly 2.5GHz with +0.025v over stock voltage, but will go no higher no matter how much voltage I pump into the thing.

There's also the Sempron line, the Palermo's appear to clock better then the Newcastle's by far, but the low cache scares me. The Sempron 3400+ (palermo) my brother bought off newegg is doing well, 2.4GHz on stock voltage. The stock cooler can't take much more though, I can get it to sit idle at his desktop at 3GHz, but as soon as the temperature goes past 56c the thing hard locks so I cant bench it.

[Edit] Quick after thought here, but how would a Sempron 64 @ 3.0GHz (256KB L2 Cach) stack up aginst an Athlon 64 @ 2.5GHz (512KB L2 Cache)? [/Edit]
 
BigMacAttack, My Venice was a DH-E6 stepping, and the only settings I touched were the HTT related ones, a couple voltages, and only the memory timings. If I had more time to play with it I could probably get to 3.25 or higher :cool:
 
Emission, I'm seeing a pattern here. The Sempron I was talking about in my previous post (last post on page 131) is also a DH-E6...while my so-so Newcastle is a DH7-CG
 
Emission said:
BigMacAttack, My Venice was a DH-E6 stepping, and the only settings I touched were the HTT related ones, a couple voltages, and only the memory timings. If I had more time to play with it I could probably get to 3.25 or higher :cool:
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Yeah - both of my Venices (3000+ and 3200+) are E6 but I really have to jolt them to get them to go beyond 2.5ghz. The 3000+ would do 265x10 @ 1.62v and the 3200+ does 248x11 @ 1.66v. Maybe its just my Abit mobo. I wonder how the Biostar TForce6100 mobo would do, or maybe a DFI...
Emission, if you can get some time I'd love to see how far you can get yours and have you share your setup and settings. I have heard more than a few people say their s754 Venices were oc'ing quite well at or near stock voltages. So far that hasn't been my luck :(
The 3400+ has the DH-E3 core so it will be interesting to see how well it does in comparison to the DH-E6 core. Hopefully it will be better but from what I've seen 2.8 is about as high as these things will scale on air cooling. Interestingly, the temps on my 3200+ don't get too much higher regardless of the voltages at higher levels. My temps at 1.66v compare favorably to those at 1.7v - maybe a 2-4C difference at most. The warmest I've seen mine get unfer Prime 95 is 57C and that was just for a moment. Mostly it ran at 56C and sometimes dipped as low as 53C and 55C. On average it was running at 56C. Of course, this is Prime95. While gaming I never see temps that high but do touch the low 50's (around 52C or so).
What really makes my day about the 3400+ is that it runs 2.4 ghz at 1.4v. My 3200+ will do that also but shortly thereafter it needs more of a kick. I'm hoping the 3400+ will see 2.55ghz or so before needing a voltage boost (and a small one at that). My Abit NV8 is adjustable in .02v increments so its highly adjustable. The max vdimm is 3.2v which is plenty and I've had my Crucial Ballistix there with no problems.
Like I say, I'm expecting it sometime early next week and as soon as I get some prelim. numbers I'll keep you all posted.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Some of you may know that AMD has made the Venice core for socket 754 (actually its the same DH-E_ core as used in the Palermo Sempron cpu's). So far it has been released in 3000+ and 3200+ flavors as a boxed socket. What some of you might not know is that a 3400+ OEM (tray) Venice is also available. It has the DH-E3 core and runs at 2.4 ghz. I just ordered one at StarMicro Inc.
http://www.starmicro.net/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=ADA3400AIK4BO
I hope to have it here by Friday of this week or sometime early next week.
I have both the 3000+ and 3200+ variants and they oc very nicely. See my sig for the 3200+ oc. The 3000+ would see 2.6-2.7 which wasn't too bad either.
If any of you are interested in the "old" socket 754 Venice cpu's I'd suggest you check it out. :D
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It looks yummy... too bad i ordered before learning or I would have jumped on this deal !
 
Yeah - sorry I didn't find this sooner. I've spent $152.97 on the retail boxed 3000+ and $152.99 on the 3200+ (both from Newegg) just since January. Now the 3400+ OEM comes in at $102.46. Oh well, that's life. At least it beats the prices on my Clawhammers - $305 for the 3400+ back on July 31, 2004 and my 3700+ OEM Clawhammer - $271.50 back on May 19, 2005. Oh, how the mighty have fallen!
 
BigMacAttack, I dont have the system anymore, but I can share with you the specs and settings, which should help.

Specs:
S754 Venice 3000+ DH-E6
DFI NF3 250Gb S754
Kingston Valueram 2x512MB DDR400
NV GeForce 6800GT
Rosewill RP500 PSU
Seagate 80GB IDE HDD

One thing I was having problems with is the SATA HDD I was originally using. Im not sure what it was but I was being cutoff at 235x10, and I even experienced data corruption once. I didnt get into it too much, and the problem was probably just that the PCI/AGP clock wasn't locked.

Settings:
HTT: 280-293
HTT Multi: 3x
CPU Multi: 10x
CPU VCore: 1.6 - 1.7 (I could run 275-280 on 1.55v gaming and bench stable, beyond that I had to increment a little)
Chipset VCore: 1.6 (upped .1v from 1.5 to give me some headroom)
Memory:
Divider: 2:3
Timings: 2.5-3-3-6
Mem VCore: (Dont remember, but it was only one increment up, I believe 2.75 - 2.85 range).

One of the problems I was having was the very hot Chipset. I couldn't cool it down with anything so I suffered a little overclockability. I was running unstable on boot after 303x10, primarily because either the cpu was too hot upon boot (1.7v) or the chipset couldn't take it, and im pretty damn sure it was the chipset, that cpu had plenty of MHz left in it, but I didnt have enough time to really play around, and im regretting it now because of all the settings I realize that I could've toyed with. Hope this helps though. :)
 
Thanks for the info, I suspected you were running the DFI. Almost everyone who is getting great overclocks is using the DFI mobo. I've heard the Biostar TForce 6100 boards are excellent as well. Here's hoping my Abit NV8 is up to the challenge!
I run 1.6-1.65v on the chipset as well and even have a setting for raising the HyperTransport bus voltage by certain percentages. I generally run a 12% increase (16% is max) and adding 30mv to the vdimm setting (1.66v). The Abit has lots of little tweaks but is quirky when it comes to cold booting. It does not like to cold boot above 238x11 or 248x10 so I throttle it down before shutting it off and then throttle it up when I turn it on if I'm gaming. Otherwise I just leave it at 238x11 for non-gaming uses.
 
If your gonna go with another board, I highly reccomend a DFI. I was overwhelmed by the amount of tweaking options avaliable and the kind of results I got. Well, whatever you choose, good luck :D
 
Does rasing the chipset voltage help you at all on that DPI board? I've tried it on my nForce4 based EPoX and all I got was a hot chipset :p
 
To tell you the truth I really don't know, I just up it to be on the safe side. I'll try my oc without touching the chipset tomorrow night.
 
Unknown-One said:
Does rasing the chipset voltage help you at all on that DPI board? I've tried it on my nForce4 based EPoX and all I got was a hot chipset :p
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I never try raising the chipset voltage either... would that really help at all? I never see anyone change those type settings.
 
noobtech said:
I never try raising the chipset voltage either... would that really help at all? I never see anyone change those type settings.
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I'm on S939, but.. raising it, has helped in the past.. getting passed 2.75ghz requires more chipset voltage for me.
 
I just received the shipping notice for the 3400+ Venice OEM. It is scheduled to be delivered from StarMicro on Wed. the 21st. Can't wait!
 
let hope it does 2.7GHZ + and I just might pick one up for the price you cant go wrong :)
 
Damn, as much as I want to do that too... I just can't shell out any dough right now. Haha... I am stuck with what I got, so i'll just be happy with it. I can't wait until I am rich... like that's really going to happen.
 
WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Well, I got 2.65GHz out of my 3000+ 754 Venice. Close enough? :)
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It's in the ballpark for those venices. I reached 2.6 easily but the current issue is that i can't keep the temps in control and i'm thinking the AS2 stuff i put (bought it 5-6 years ago) is now too old to be efficient. Even lowering to 2.4 at stock voltage didn't make a difference.

With the proper heatsink and proper thermal paste, i'm sure we can get 2.7 - 2.8 easily.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
if your on more of a budget, check out the vnf3-250, its a great ocing board, not as good as the dfi lanparty, but its a solid board. ive seen the vnf3-250 and a 2800+ sempy hit 2.6ghz easy
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Im on a VNF3-250 with a 2800+ (Stock 1.8GHz) and can hit 2.1GHz easy (on stock HSF) with Corsair ValueSelect ram sticks. :)
 
WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Well, I got 2.65GHz out of my 3000+ 754 Venice. Close enough? :)
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That's exactly what I got out of my 3000+ Venice using the hsf in my sig and AS Ceramique paste. It would do 280x10 max but...it would boot Windows, cruise the net and do low power apps but it would freeze in Prime95, Superpi and games.

I take it that I'm not wanted in the 754 club
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and why would that be? Unless of course, you don't have a s754 cpu...
 
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