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Love your socket 754?

My s754 3200 "clawy" is really hurting for some compressed air right now. "She's" gonna get real jealous when that fx 62 shows up today. (My cpu's talk to me on a regular basis) :p
 
BigMacAttack said:
That's exactly what I got out of my 3000+ Venice using the hsf in my sig and AS Ceramique paste. It would do 280x10 max but...it would boot Windows, cruise the net and do low power apps but it would freeze in Prime95, Superpi and games.


and why would that be? Unless of course, you don't have a s754 cpu...
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I have yet to be added to the list :( Thats why.

You guys can add me to the 754 club, I have a Sempron 3000+ 754 too
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We vote to pull down tsuehpsyde's pants so he come back and check around as a PR guy :D
 
JenniferSifre said:
My s754 3200 "clawy" is really hurting for some compressed air right now. "She's" gonna get real jealous when that fx 62 shows up today. (My cpu's talk to me on a regular basis) :p
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Bah, instead of letting clawy get jelous, just give er to me and I'll take care of her. LoL
 
Xilikon said:
We vote to pull down tsuehpsyde's pants so he come back and check around as a PR guy :D
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I'll second - now all we need is a quorum. :D
Hang in there Ockie - even if you aren't an "official" member yet you're still one of us! :cool:
 
I've got a quick inquiry:

I just got a 3000+ Venice about a week ago, and i am using stock cooling with AS5, and i didnt know if my temperatures were high because i didn't do a long enough burn-in or if i installed my heatsink inproperly. as of right now, im idling between 36 and 38 C, and under load i get up above 50 to about 55 at which point i turned off my system and let it cool down to prevent any damage. Any thoughts, opinions, or solutions would be greatly appriciated. Thanks.

p.s. how does one go about joining this fine club?
 
BR3T said:
I've got a quick inquiry:

I just got a 3000+ Venice about a week ago, and i am using stock cooling with AS5, and i didnt know if my temperatures were high because i didn't do a long enough burn-in or if i installed my heatsink inproperly. as of right now, im idling between 36 and 38 C, and under load i get up above 50 to about 55 at which point i turned off my system and let it cool down to prevent any damage. Any thoughts, opinions, or solutions would be greatly appriciated. Thanks.

p.s. how does one go about joining this fine club?
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Hi there. Page 1 post 1 (I believe) sets it all out for you. Just put "Socket 754 club" in your sig and its a done deal.
As for your temps, those are a bit too high. I didn't get temps like that until I bumped my vcore up into the 1.6v range, but then again I don't have the stock cooling hsf either. The burn-in won't matter that much. The AS5 should provide a small drop in temps after it sets but it won't be much - maybe 2C max, if any really. I don't see any difference in my system, to tell you the truth.
How much AS5 did you apply? If you put too much on it will act more like a heat insulator rather than an heat dissipator. You only need a very small amount. You may want to reinstall the hsf and use only the amount equal to 2/3 the size of a BB or an uncooked grain of rice. 50C is no big deal, my system will run that without any issues, but it is better to be safe than sorry. Good luck, I hope you get it figured out. And welcome to the club :cool:
 
BR3T said:
I've got a quick inquiry:

I just got a 3000+ Venice about a week ago, and i am using stock cooling with AS5, and i didnt know if my temperatures were high because i didn't do a long enough burn-in or if i installed my heatsink inproperly. as of right now, im idling between 36 and 38 C, and under load i get up above 50 to about 55 at which point i turned off my system and let it cool down to prevent any damage. Any thoughts, opinions, or solutions would be greatly appriciated. Thanks.

p.s. how does one go about joining this fine club?
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Are you running at stock speed and 1.4v ?

For joining, just spam tsuehpsyde's messagebox till he add you :)
 
stock volts, stock speeds, except for memory, i had to boost that up to 400 from 333. I even tried enabling cool n quiet and the temps get down to 35. The ambient temp in the room is 78 F.
 
BR3T said:
stock volts, stock speeds, except for memory, i had to boost that up to 400 from 333. I even tried enabling cool n quiet and the temps get down to 35. The ambient temp in the room is 78 F.
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Follow BigMacAttack's advices and let us know if that helps. Putting too much AS5 will not help with the temps and you need to clean it up perfectly with isoprophyl alcohol first.
 
Make sure to place the AS5 right in the center of the cpu, that's where the core is located, and yes, make sure it is ABSOLUTELY clean, both the top of the cpu and the bottom of the hsf. Clean it until you get NO residue on your Qtip, cloth, paper towel or whatever. A lint free cloth is best. I like to wipe it with a dry paper towel first and get it to where it looks clean. Then use the alcohol on a Qtip or lint free cloth and clean until you can see no residue. I usually take 5 or 6 passes before I'm happy with it. And don't touch the top of the cpu, the bottom of the hsf or the AS5 with your fingers as you will deposit oils from your skin onto the surface and possibly contaminate the area. Clean is the word here for optimal performance.
 
while i am normally like that, making sure everything is perfectly clean.. i've found that if i'm careless and just wipe it down with a cloth, touch it and whatnot, it usually doesn't make more than a 2-3c difference
 
yeah - In know, just giving him the old pep talk. It is recommended and I do follow it carefully now but I once spread the AS5 on the cpu with my finger and it performed just fine. Better to do it correctly though, I guess, rather than create or encourage bad habits.
 
BR3T said:
I've got a quick inquiry:

I just got a 3000+ Venice about a week ago, and i am using stock cooling with AS5, and i didnt know if my temperatures were high because i didn't do a long enough burn-in or if i installed my heatsink inproperly. as of right now, im idling between 36 and 38 C, and under load i get up above 50 to about 55 at which point i turned off my system and let it cool down to prevent any damage. Any thoughts, opinions, or solutions would be greatly appriciated. Thanks.

p.s. how does one go about joining this fine club?
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55c is well within specs, you don't have to worry about damage. My processor IDLES at 55c (quiet cooling in a poorly ventilated room with an overclocked video card) and has done so for over a year now with no problems.
 
I decided to try a different approach with my s754 3200+ Venice tonight. I removed one of the two 512kb ram sticks and upped the vcore to 1.68v (CPU-z reports 1.712v) and set it for 250x11. I wish I knew how to post the CPU-z screenshot. In any event, it is running quiite well at the moment (as I'm typing this). Superpi ran in 34.64 seconds on the sig ram timings. Now its time to go play some Half-Life Deathmatch and see if it is stable.
 
are you usuing same voltages on cpu?

For a screen shot:

1. Click on cpu-z to be sure it's the primary window displayed.

2. Hit Alt+Print Screen to take screen shot of the primary window.

3. CTRL+P on photoshop or paintbrush...

4. Crop pic & Save as....

5. Go to photobucket or other pic hosting site and upload pic

6. insert image with the [i ]the url[/i ] but close in the "["
 
its way easier then that.

1) open up cpu-z

2) select tab you want, cpu/memory/mobo/whatever

3) press f5 and the go to the CPU-z folder...youll see a picture of the tab you just had

4) upload!

5) type code


and then buy me a can of green tea for my troubles :)
 
Just out of curiosity here, but has there been any word on X2's coming out for s754?

AM2 is going to be used for the high end market, and 939 is being dropped, that leaves s754 to cover the low end with the Sempron and “low end” Athlon 64’s.

The recent news of price cuts even put the X2 3800+ into the upper “budget” price range, so…I would think that fact at least makes its appearance on s754 more likely.
 
Bah, humbug. 250x11 played for about 3 hours then locked so its back to 248x11 @ 1.66v with 1gb ram. It never locks there.
Thanks for the tips guys, I'll remember those!
No - no X2's for socket 754 are planned AFAIK, especially now that s939 X2's are so affordable. But the single channel memory controller limits the dual core on s754 platform. X2 was never planned for s754 - only s939.
 
The same thing was said about PCI Express and the nForce 4 chipset
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I'm still holding out some hope...
 
Unknown-One said:
The same thing was said about PCI Express and the nForce 4 chipset
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I'm still holding out some hope...
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We can always dream :D

A bit update on my overclocking endeavor :

I need someone to slap my head because i was really thick :eek:

The wildly fluctuating temps i watched during my testing turned up to be the GPU temp SpeedFan reported :rolleyes: After downloading Everest and doing some research and comparaisons, i determined what line is for what temp and it turned out that the cpu temp is hovering at 40-42C under 100% load (the countless attempts to cool it better paid off at least :cool: ) for 2.4 GHz, undervolted at 1.375, which is pretty stable, just not prime stable yet.

With this newest discovery (at least for my thick head), I will start trying to find the real limits and I know 2.6 isn't a impossible feat since i ran for a few days without crash, at 1.55v.
 
You shouldn't have any problems reaching 2.6 - at least from my experience. I was able to get 2.56 @ 1.55v (CPU-z reported 1.52v) in my Asus K8N4-E Deluxe mobo with Ultra ram. Then when I added my Crucial Ballistix DDR400, with timings of 2-2-2-8 1T I on the DDR333 divider, I got it to 2.6 game stable. I never did check with Prime95. You may need jsut a tad more voltage than 1.55v to get it Prime95 stable at 2.6 ghz.

You're gonna look like this :( if you keep waiting on dual core on s754, I think. AMD is planning dual core mobile chips and everyone was excited because s754 is the mobile socket, but they have created a new socket for it that is incompatible with the old reliable s754. Of course, anything is possible since s754 will be around until 2008, but personally I think it is highly unlikely now that the clone wars (i.e. price wars) have begun. The Jedi need to stop the Emperor before its too late :D
 
In my opinion, S754 is worthless because of the huge memory bandwidth bottleneck. Its really sad to see a capable chip being held back by something like that :( , thats why, even with dual core, you'd have to have DDR800+ memory to see the kind of performance you get with regular S939 or something newer. I mean, even back when I bought my s754, I have to say, it was outstandingly cheap, even with a DFI and a regular A64, so I guess im just asking too much.
 
Actually the difference in performance between s754 single channel and s939 dual channel ram is only about 5% but with prices on s939 and AM2 components set to drop its really rather silly not to make the jump if its within one's budget. I'm just a cheap-skate at heart and I'm excited about the new 3400+ Venice.
 
i dont care about the little minus here and there about 754, it was and still is a very good performer and I couldn't be more happier.

Yes, I'll be moving on but I'll be damn if I ever prematurely move to a socket --like alot of did with 939 just to move to a newer socket today. But hey, t hat's the fun of it all.

by far the best 754 chip I had was the 3700+ w/1mb cache @ 154 bucks from ewiz. Wow what a deal and performer that was.
 
BigMacAttack said:
You're gonna look like this :( if you keep waiting on dual core on s754...
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Hehe, thats why I'm also waiting to see how that 3400+ Venice does :D

Emission said:
S754 is worthless because of the huge memory bandwidth bottleneck.
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Erm, right :rolleyes:. With the stated 5% performance difference between the two, you only need to run the s754 system's ram at DDR420 (FSB at 210) to even things out.
 
I like the sound of a 3700+ 1mb l2 , alot! But I also like the sound of a $93 Dual Core, (Pentium D 805) , or maybe even Conroe! But lets not get that mixed in here. I couldn't believe how blazing fast my windows loaded with my A64 3K+ Venice ( S754 :cool: ), and also how amazing it made my gaming experience, but I also loved the intensly smooth feeling of how well my Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Prescott multi-tasked, which, sadly to say, my A64 didnt task' very well :( . *sigh*, but hey, again, for what I paid for the A64, I loved it.
 
To be honest I don't see any difference between my 3400+ Clawhammer and 3700+ Clawhammer (both with 1mb L2 cache) and my 3000+ and 3200+ Venice cpu's (both with 512 kb cache). In fact the Venices clock higher than the Claws and my sig system is faster in both real world apps and 3DMark03 than my 3700+ at work.
The best thing that ever happened to s754 was when AMD put it on the 90nm SOI architecture. I gotta hand it to them, especially after they said s754 development was ended. I'd love to see dual core come to s754 but the limitations of the architecture would seem to nullify any real gains from doing so, but who knows? They went and pulled a fast one on us and did a "silent release" on the 3000+ Venice. I didn't even know about Venice cores on s754 until I stumbled upon a forum post somewhere else talking about it. I knew then and there I had to have one. Then when I found out about the 3200+ I looked and looked for it and finally gave up for a little while and one of our posters here saw it before me. Doh! I also found out about the 3400+ at about the same time as the 3200+ (back in Jan). I didn't expect it for another 6 months or so. My suspicion is that Starmicro was building systems with these cpu's (since they aren't official AMD retail boxed cpu's) and had some left over. Then when they learned about the coming price cuts they decided to unload their inventory before it became worthless for all intents and purposes.
At any rate I can't wait to get it Wed. and try it out. Should be fun!
 
I'm a proud owner of a 754 system. I bought an ASUS K8V Deluxe when it first hit Newegg and a 3000+ clawhammer. I bought a 3700+ when newegg had them for $100 (OEM) and it was a good machine. I wanted to upgrade (X800XT AGP showing age) but didn't have much options. So, I bought an ABIT NV8 mobo (754 and PCIE) and a MSI X1800XT 512 video card. Just got it installed yesterday and I am very happy with it. It will last me until AMD and Intel get their stuff out.
 
Well would you look at this! Here's a screenshot right off AMD's website, they have "Dual Core" listed under the Turion section!

I know its no proof it will be for the 754 Turion's, but still :D

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I have heard it said that the Turion socket is incompatible with the standard s754. It would be nice if it was.
 
BigMacAttack said:
I have heard it said that the Turion socket is incompatible with the standard s754. It would be nice if it was.
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The Dual core Turions will have a completely different socket, 6xx something pins.
 
As far as I know Turion X2 processors are out since may(I think I've already seen one laptop on ebay using it). Anyways they have a new socket, called S1, and DDR2 memory controller.
 
BigMacAttack said:
But the single channel memory controller limits the dual core on s754 platform.
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I know that's the corporate line, but seriously, does anybody really believe that?
 
ONLY 5% ? You have to be kidding me. Going from 3.2 GB/s to 6.4GB/s dosn't sound like a mere 5% to me, and I know damn well it isnt.
 
Emission said:
ONLY 5% ? You have to be kidding me. Going from 3.2 GB/s to 6.4GB/s dosn't sound like a mere 5% to me, and I know damn well it isnt.
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last i remember my overclcoked s754 was pullin in the 3700k range and my overclocked s939 was pull in 5900k

Shortens the gap no?
 
I wish I could find the article I read about a year or so ago in which the overall system performance difference was no more than 5% or thereabouts. The Advantage at that time (just like now with AM2) was that s939 was more upgradable and a little faster. AM2 isn't that much faster than s939, yet it has DDR2. The performance gains from system to system, 754 vs 939 wasn't that impressive, really.
 
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