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Love your socket 754?

Emission said:
ONLY 5% ? You have to be kidding me. Going from 3.2 GB/s to 6.4GB/s dosn't sound like a mere 5% to me, and I know damn well it isnt.
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In real world performance the differance is closer to 5%. At least it is for games.
 
Well, games only use a portion of the bandwidth, which is why its such a small increase. Same concept with having 1GB and 2GB quantities of memory. 2GB just gives it more room to sprawl out on, and it dosn't give it much performance gain. I used a S754, I would know ;)
 
Emission said:
Well, games only use a portion of the bandwidth, which is why its such a small increase. Same concept with having 1GB and 2GB quantities of memory. 2GB just gives it more room to sprawl out on, and it dosn't give it much performance gain. I used a S754, I would know ;)
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I've used 754 and 939... there was no noticable increase in performance in everything I did.
 
I'll stack my 3200+ Venice up against a s939 3200+ Venice any day. I'll lose but it won't be by much. I'm expecting at least 2.7-2.8 out of the new 3400+ Venice. My 3000+ did 2.65, the 3200+ does 2.73 so I'm hoping for 2.8 out of the 3400+.
Back in the day when the 939 came out people were decrying the fact that it wasn't that much faster. Same with AM2 now. Its faster, but not by much. The benefit is in the upgradability of the new architecture to handle newer chips in hte future.
My 3200+ Venice in Sisandra falls between the FX-55 and FX-57, (its oc'd of course). Its actually almost in a dead heat with the FX-57 in cpu performance. Its slightly better in ALU, slightly worse in FPU. And even though its single channel my PC3200 DDR400 Crucial Ballistix is killer fast, running on the DDR466 divider.

Hey BTW - anyone been to Newegg today? They have the 3000+ Venice and 3200+ Venice at the same price - $112! I paid $154 with shipping for mine :mad:
The new price cuts are even affecting the s754 cpu's. I really think that's why I was able to find the 3400+ Venice. The vendor knew of the cuts coming so they decided it was time to try and get rid of it now before the prices drop on everything else so much that no one will want them. Just a theory.
 
Emission said:
Well, games only use a portion of the bandwidth, which is why its such a small increase. Same concept with having 1GB and 2GB quantities of memory. 2GB just gives it more room to sprawl out on, and it dosn't give it much performance gain. I used a S754, I would know ;)
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You're arguing over things hashed out years ago when Socket 939 was first introduced. I don't believe you're that dumb. I think you're just trolling the Socket 754 thread.

AT article from 2004:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=13
 
aldamon said:
You're arguing over things hashed out years ago when Socket 939 was first introduced. I don't believe you're that dumb. I think you're just trolling the Socket 754 thread.

AT article from 2004:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=13
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Thats amazing how little performance was gained. Im starting to think dual core s754 is a good idea, thank you very much for enlightening me with that article.
 
Emission said:
Thats amazing how little performance was gained. Im starting to think dual core s754 is a good idea, thank you very much for enlightening me with that article.
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for dual core, the bandwidth is neccesary.
 
Well theres a lot left out there. AMD is running 40-50% price cuts at Conroe's launch, and Intel has many cuts of its own. In my sole opinion, a low-fi Conroe does the job for the right price. Ive seen price charts and I have to say, its getting quite tempting.
 
For real. Its a hey-day for the consumer at this point. Hopefully it won't turn around and bite us in the butt in the long term.
 
noobtech said:
Bigmac, I can't wait until Wednesday... be sure to post results ASAP!!!
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I plan on installing the 3400+ on Thursday night as I'm busy Wed nights. I'll post prelim scores ASAP. I should be able to get a really good idea of what it will do with about 3 hrs of work.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
for dual core, the bandwidth is neccesary.
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This is an easy test. Can somebody with a Socket 939 board and an X2 please run their setups in dual-channel mode and in single-channel mode and compare quick benchmarks? Thanks!
 
aldamon said:
This is an easy test. Can somebody with a Socket 939 board and an X2 please run their setups in dual-channel mode and in single-channel mode and compare quick benchmarks? Thanks!
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Thats exactly what I was thinking, there's no way AMD would require you to use two sticks of RAM to get propper performance from your processor.

You might want to try asking in the 939 thread though, not many 939er's hang out in here :p
 
my post is up there just like 3 or 4 up... i think i made it to the top 10 at 340mhz fsb. can someone check up on this and add me to the s754 lovers club too ^.^
 
bump + more testing. just got home from class and school. my max at 3x HTT is 340mhz, already at 370mhz w/ 2.5x as suggested.... i've had this processor for almost maybe even a year now (i think :confused: ), didn't realize it had this potential... it maxes out at 2.45 or 2.5hz at stable voltage, but with 1.8v i took it up to 2.9ghz.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=101070
 
very very little increase in bandwidth iirc. though there's a very good chance that I'm wrong.
 
Not with a multi that low. High multi + high fsb = more speed of course. One problem with high multipliers is that you have to run some steep ram dividers or your system won't be stable. Plus a lot of it depends on the quality of your cpu's onboard mem controller, some are good, some not so good, and your ram. It all works together. Personally I'd rather use a higher multi with a lower fsb to help keep my ram in the game at a higher divider. See sig.
 
aldamon said:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68589

Still waiting for actual numbers but I'm starting to think I'm right.
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If you are, that leaves no known technical reason for dual core chips not to work on 754.

As for the marketing end...I think there's room for one low end model X2 to sneak onto s754. I mean, how many of us would snap up an 754 X2, even if it was only a 1.8GHz part? ;)
 
dual core turions are being introduced in a new socket... they would have been ideal candidates. apart from dual core semprons (budget overkill doesn't seem too likely) we're stuck here. lucky for us, it's not such a bad place to be stuck.
 
I don't think there will be a dual-core s754 processor in the foreseeable future, mostly for marketing and pratical reason (why make more versions when you can get more bucks doing a single version on 939/AM2).

For laptops, like fakemoonlanding pointed out, it will surely be on a new socket and taking advantage of DDR2 RAM.

On my side, I continued my testing and checking so I'm almost finished finding the sweet spot :

-Booted to Windows and pretty stable at 2.7 GHz and 1.66v, but got a few graphical glitches under Oblivion and it's not even prime-stable since it error 1 min after start.
-2.6 GHz at 1.66v prime-stable, hovering at 59C - 61C under full load.
-2.577 GHz at 1.56v prime-stable for 2 hours now (been prime-stable for 25h at 2.5 GHz and same voltage). Hovering at 54C-55C under full load while it's 30C outside.

All this with 3x HTT and 133 MHz RAM divider. I will work on the max HTT / max RAM later.

It take some time for me since i want it to be prime-stable for a full 24 hours. So far, the numbers is pretty good for a 3000+ if I compare with BigMacAttack's numbers.
 
I never did do a long term prime stable test but yor numbers look really good for that cpu. I'll be running prelim. tests on the 3400+ Venice Thursday.
 
fakemoonlanding said:
bump + more testing. just got home from class and school. my max at 3x HTT is 340mhz, already at 370mhz w/ 2.5x as suggested.... i've had this processor for almost maybe even a year now (i think :confused: ), didn't realize it had this potential... it maxes out at 2.45 or 2.5hz at stable voltage, but with 1.8v i took it up to 2.9ghz.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=101070
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Nice work, added to the lists.

 
I was running my 3000+ Venice S754 at 2.8 for hours as a server. Solid as a rock, and could do 3.0+ :D . Good luck to you guys.
 
Is anyone else here not even feeling the itch to upgrade to 939/am2/conroe?

I'm using my trusty 3700+ clawhammer and for the life of me I can't think of any reason to make the leap. Maybe I'm not running the right programs or games but is the difference so profound as to justify the cost?

Perhaps if one of you make the leap to conroe or AM2, if you could bench a similar processor (2.4ghz 1mb cache, anything in the 2.2 range should be close enough) against it, that would be helpful to some of us who are weighing the benefits
 
Xilikon said:
I don't think there will be a dual-core s754 processor in the foreseeable future, mostly for marketing and pratical reason (why make more versions when you can get more bucks doing a single version on 939/AM2).
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I think if it's for any reason, it will be the lack of memory bandwidth, although the other reasons you mentioned hold weight as well.
 
were still going over the bandwidth issue? Did we every get sombody in the 939 thread to test it out for us?
 
nigerian_businessman said:
Is anyone else here not even feeling the itch to upgrade to 939/am2/conroe?

I'm using my trusty 3700+ clawhammer and for the life of me I can't think of any reason to make the leap. Maybe I'm not running the right programs or games but is the difference so profound as to justify the cost?

Perhaps if one of you make the leap to conroe or AM2, if you could bench a similar processor (2.4ghz 1mb cache, anything in the 2.2 range should be close enough) against it, that would be helpful to some of us who are weighing the benefits
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I'm with you NB. Upgrading to a new form factor (s939/AM2/Conroe) wouldn't do me a bit of good. I also have a 3700+ Claw at work and now with the 3400+ Venice for my home system due in today I'll be sitting pretty for a good while. I also have a 3400+ Claw, a 3000+ Venice and a 3200+ Venice along with an Asus K8N4-E Deluxe mobo and 1 gig of DDR400 ram laying around so, no, I've got no itch to make the jump.
 
nigerian_businessman said:
Is anyone else here not even feeling the itch to upgrade to 939/am2/conroe?

I'm using my trusty 3700+ clawhammer and for the life of me I can't think of any reason to make the leap. Maybe I'm not running the right programs or games but is the difference so profound as to justify the cost?

Perhaps if one of you make the leap to conroe or AM2, if you could bench a similar processor (2.4ghz 1mb cache, anything in the 2.2 range should be close enough) against it, that would be helpful to some of us who are weighing the benefits
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Me neither... Just the thinking of needing to buy a PCI-E video card is a real downer for me since I paid 650$ CDN for mine when it's out. My computer is powerful enough so I can wait for 1-2 years before getting the urge to upgrade and only when a good video card can be bought cheap :)
 
Unknown-One said:
were still going over the bandwidth issue?
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Well, that IS what AMD is spoon feeding us. That means it's true, right?? :p

nigerian_businessman said:
Is anyone else here not even feeling the itch to upgrade to 939/am2/conroe?
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I'm definitely buying a Conroe, mobo, and some DDR2 as soon as they're available. I'm starting to do a lot of video encoding and DVD burning and I could really use the second core.

I'm flat-out not interested in Socket 939 or AM2.
 
Xilikon said:
Me neither... Just the thinking of needing to buy a PCI-E video card is a real downer for me since I paid 650$ CDN for mine when it's out. My computer is powerful enough so I can wait for 1-2 years before getting the urge to upgrade and only when a good video card can be bought cheap :)
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well, it will add $89 to your next video card upgrade, but you can change up to a s754 PCIe SLI motherboard found here:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246597

Its that, or spend EVEN MORE to buy a new processor too. :p
 
Unknown-One said:
well, it will add $89 to your next video card upgrade, but you can change up to a s754 PCIe SLI motherboard found here:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246597

Its that, or spend EVEN MORE to buy a new processor too. :p
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The problem here is that the video card is the most expensive part, i can easily get a cheap 939/AM2 processor and motherboard and memory if I wanted.
 
Unknown-One said:
were still going over the bandwidth issue? Did we every get sombody in the 939 thread to test it out for us?
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Im saying with dual core. Although it wouldn't necessarily happen all the time, dual cores running multithreaded apps would be bouncing off the limits of working with a single channel ddr400 memory bus. For single cores the difference is so small that it only really shows in benchmarks.
 
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