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LG 48CX

Looks like I can finally play Control at 4k with all RT features turned on at high fps with Ampere 😁
 
Guys I can't decide on a 3080 or 3090 at launch. We know for a fact a 3080 Ti with 20GB will eventually come. I estimate that a 40% increase in FPS is required from my 2080 Ti to game carefree @ 4K/60+ in basically every game. I'm banking on the 3080 being 25% faster than a 2080 Ti so maybe a 3090 is necessary.

GPU launches are always so exciting.
 
I'm leaning towards 3090 but lots of unknowns still. The huge size and not much higher wattage combined with the fact they insisted on how quiet their cooler is (they even call it "SILENCER") definitely has my full attention. But it's 2x the price of the 3080, still need to know the performance delta to make the most reasonable decision.
 
Pretty sure they omitted it's performance because of how close it is to the 3080. Estimates of only 15-20% on top of the 3080 are probably true and would look horrible on a PR chart.
 
SoCali said:
Pretty sure they omitted it's performance because of how close it is to the 3080. Estimates of only 15-20% on top of the 3080 are probably true and would look horrible on a PR chart.
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They didn't omit its performance -- they omitted the whole product SKU entirely. As of right now, the 3080Ti doesn't exist.
 
SoCali said:
Pretty sure they omitted it's performance because of how close it is to the 3080. Estimates of only 15-20% on top of the 3080 are probably true and would look horrible on a PR chart.
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Doubt it. 20% more than a 3080 while charging double the price? More than double actually, 699 vs 1499 so I really doubt it's only going to be 20% more, but hey we won't have to wait long to find out.



Yeah based on this Digital Foundry video, I doubt that even more. 2080 Ti isn't that much faster than a 2080 and the jump to 3080 from 2080 is massive, which would be a significant improvement over a 2080 Ti.
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A 2080 Ti is about what? 30% faster than a 2080? The 3080 seems to be around 70-80% faster than a 2080 so that would make it roughly 35-40% faster than a 2080 Ti, now add the additional performance gains of the 3090 and we are looking at a massive leap over the 2080 Ti here. As for 3090 over 3080, I kinda wanna say 25-30%. Of course we need a much much wider set of games to be tested by a lot more people to be sure, but this is a great start.

EDIT: Nvm just realized the 3090 and 3080 share the same GA-102 die with the same transistor count, unlike the 2080 Ti and 2080 which do not. Guess SoCali's original estimate of 15-20% might be right on the money then. I was under the impression that the 3090 uses a bigger die vs the 3080 like the 2080 Ti vs 2080.
 
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Man, the 3080/3090 is going to make this thing shine. Glorious times ahead. I can't wait to unlock the rest of the CX's abilities...and it's nice to be able to put the HDMI 2.1 thing to bed.
 
So far the Asus cards are the ones I'm seeing with 2x HDMI connections (and triple 8pin power), so an Asus card will be what I buy (and then a waterblock for it).
 
Pastuch said:
Curious about what you guys want to use the dual HDMI for? Is it a VR rig + CX?
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Yup, this. Also since I watercool my only performance constraint is power (assuming the silicon is stable) and in Turing cards, more power connectors = higher max TDP's which was the real performance ceiling, so triple vs. double 8pin may be meaningful.
 
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I've decided I'm going to get the 3080 first, and if it isn't enough for the CX 55 4k120, I'll sell it and grab a 3090.
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I'm with you. Doing a bit more reading I realized the 3090 and 3080 share the same GA-102 die, whereas the 2080 Ti and 2080 do not, one is TU-102 while the other is a smaller TU-104. This leads me to believe that the 3090 and 3080 will be a lot closer in performance as SoCali pointed out, perhaps only 15% difference between the two. I think I'll just go with the 3080 as well unless the 3090 ends up being more than 20% faster.
 
I think I will go with a FE for the first time since it now has 0 RPM and the rear does exhaust out the case.

3080 + PS5 is the route I'll go. Based on Eurogamers hands on it's roughly 33-48% faster than a 2080 Ti depending on game. Spending 2x the price for another 20-25% sounds nuts. My brain tells me 3090 but my wallet says 3080. If only there was something in between.
 
VinnieM said:
If anyone's interested, I've created a new version of my ColorControl-app and it's available on GitHub now: https://github.com/Maassoft/ColorControl
This 1.1.0.0 version adds:
  • Automatically power on/off functionality for LG TV's
  • Extended NVIDIA controller context menu to allow setting color settings manually. Includes bit depth, format, dynamic range and color space. Note that not all combinations are allowed and will result in an error message. Some may also result in a purple screen (RGB format with YUV color space and vice versa)
  • Checkbox to fix blurry/rainbow fonts in Chrome. This is only necessary if you want to use ClearType in Windows, but grayscale anti-aliasing in Chrome. If you have ClearType disabled, just leave this checkbox unchecked.
  • Option to set a shortcut to the blank screen saver
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I just fired this up to try out and it isn't able to find my TV. I have quite a bit going on network-wise, but the TV and computer are on the same subnet and can talk (I can ping it and I could control calibration stuff on it over the network via CalMan). I have a feeling it's a network binding issue, is there some way to bind the app to a specific NIC?

EDIT: Cancel this, I figured it out based on the Github issues and how it finds the TV based on the DLNA device existing. I added it and it's detecting now!
 
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My brain tells me 3090 but my wallet says 3080. If only there was something in between.
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There likely will be if you’re willing to wait on the 3080Ti/Super...but yeah, I feel yah. The 3090 isn’t a good value, but it’s the one that will push the most frames at 4K which matters more for the CX. I’m still leaning toward the 3080 since even that will be a huge upgrade from my 1080Ti but we will see after the reviews come out.
 
The consensus seems that the 3080 is the direct replacement to the 2080Ti and the 3090 is akin to the Titan. A 3080Ti or a 3080 Super could happen (probably next year) but the 3090 will be the top card for $1500. So if you want the best the 3090 is it. They are also saying that the jump from the 2080 to the 3080 is the same as the jump from 980Ti to the 1080Ti. Its that big of a deal. I guess Nvidia wants to make sure they will have anything better than AMD's Big Navi performance wise.
 
mirkendargen said:
I just fired this up to try out and it isn't able to find my TV. I have quite a bit going on network-wise, but the TV and computer are on the same subnet and can talk (I can ping it and I could control calibration stuff on it over the network via CalMan). I have a feeling it's a network binding issue, is there some way to bind the app to a specific NIC?

EDIT: Cancel this, I figured it out based on the Github issues and how it finds the TV based on the DLNA device existing. I added it and it's detecting now!
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what did you do exactly to make it work?
 
This is a community service announcement for LG OLED C9 owners. Turn ... OFF ... automatic firmware updates NOW.

With 3xxx series launching within a few short weeks, I'm seeing some speculation on various forums that LG may nerf, disrupt, change, impliment "fixes" to these 2019 sets with their full 48gb HDMI 2.1 performance in some as of yet, unknown ways. It's absolutely better to be safe than sorry.

This logic of course stems from the fact that LG could have added in 4K@120hz 4.2.2 support along with Freesync support to the 2019 C9, etc but for "market" focused reasons, did not. This is of course, at the end of the day, an unfair game LG has chosen to play with it's 2019 sets / owners. Simply unacceptable.

It's being suggested that now that HDMI 2.1 is launching, with both nVidia and AMD, they may pull off a "firmware" update to make their newer 2020 sets have clear performance and feature advantages over the 2019 sets.

It's generally understood and accepted now within the community of large format display users that the C9 has some advantages over the CX series.

I not only turned off automatic firmware updates but I have also blocked my LG C9 at the router level. No data for you!
 
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Lateralus said:
There likely will be if you’re willing to wait on the 3080Ti/Super...but yeah, I feel yah. The 3090 isn’t a good value, but it’s the one that will push the most frames at 4K which matters more for the CX. I’m still leaning toward the 3080 since even that will be a huge upgrade from my 1080Ti but we will see after the reviews come out.
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The RTX 3090 isn't a good value? LUL WHAT? It's the fastest GPU on the planet. Do some of you really want this for free, or cheap? I really really really hate to see this logic within our HardOCP community where, it's expected that we reside within a community of "Hard" advanced users who chase performance. We do it hard or we go home.

Every generation of GPU I have to see, hear and witness this attitude here on these forums. You people have had 2 years to tuck away $20 here and $40 there. You have old hardware, older electronics, buying habits you could have sold and or changed to make this a reality.

Value is a very personal perception that is going to differ from one person to the next. Please, speak for yourself.

I challenge all of you to start selling the crap you have laying around to make this 3090 happen. 2 weeks is a long time to clear out $1,000 worth of stuff. Wife has an old juicer she isn't using or going to use, that's $50 right there, old bar stools in the garage, that's $30 or $40, random memory? That's $10 or $20 right there. Old 1tb or 2tb hard drives, people pay $30 or $40 for these all day long. Old CPU, Video Card, Motherboards? $100 ... $200? etc etc etc. A PS4 or Xbox that you really don't use? That's another thing, get rid of your old PS4 and Xbox shit now. This is def the time to do that. It's estimated that the average house hold has $2,000 to $3.000 in unwanted items laying around that have current market value. Yes, I've read that before and it's probably true.

Getting back to this "value" comment. They are giving us a TITAN class GPU with 24GB's of DDR6, not @ $2400 dollars but at the incredible value of $1500. That's $900 off. And this is still not a good value to some of you? ... Jesus.

Anyways, good luck.

And seriously, use these next 2 weeks to sell off your unwanted crap. Tech hording is lame and a year from now, all that random shit you have laying around will be almost worthless.

See you guys at Microcenter at 4AM the morning of the 24th. And, have your damn money together. I've dreamed ... dreamed of owning a Titan class GPU. Who is going to join me?
 
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This is a community service announcement for LG OLED C9 owners. Turn ... OFF ... automatic firmware updates NOW.

With 3xxx series launching within a few short weeks, I'm seeing some speculation on various forums that LG may nerf, disrupt, change, impliment "fixes" to these 2019 sets with their full 48gb HDMI 2.1 performance in some as of yet, unknown ways. It's absolutely better to be safe than sorry.

This logic of course stems from the fact that LG could have added in 4K@120hz 4.2.2 support along with Freesync support to the 2019 C9, etc but for "market" focused reasons, did not. This is of course, at the end of the day, an unfair game LG has chosen to play with it's 2019 sets / owners. Simply unacceptable.

It's being suggested that now that HDMI 2.1 is launching, with both nVidia and AMD, they may pull off a "firmware" update to make their newer 2020 sets have clear performance and feature advantages over the 2019 sets.

It's generally understood and accepted now within the community of large format display users that the C9 has some advantages over the CX series.

I not only turned off automatic firmware updates but I have also blocked my LG C9 at the router level. No data for you!
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This seems like weird conspiracy theories to me. The LG C9 series afaik is already discontinued so people are buying whatever is left. LG claimed in CES interviews that 4K 120 Hz 4:2:0 was not possible on C9 due to a hardware issue. It is well known that they use a very different setup for HDMI 2.1 compared to CX. Even now the performance difference between C9 and CX is completely negligible and you won't see a difference unless you have them side by side and calibrated. I own both and can't tell any real difference.

Lack of Freesync support is a bummer but overall it is a use case that only concerns Xbox One X and AMD GPU users. For Xbox Series X, PS5 and PCs running Nvidia GPUs it's not an issue.
 
kasakka said:
This seems like weird conspiracy theories to me. The LG C9 series afaik is already discontinued so people are buying whatever is left. LG claimed in CES interviews that 4K 120 Hz 4:2:0 was not possible on C9 due to a hardware issue. It is well known that they use a very different setup for HDMI 2.1 compared to CX. Even now the performance difference between C9 and CX is completely negligible and you won't see a difference unless you have them side by side and calibrated. I own both and can't tell any real difference.

Lack of Freesync support is a bummer but overall it is a use case that only concerns Xbox One X and AMD GPU users. For Xbox Series X, PS5 and PCs running Nvidia GPUs it's not an issue.
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The hardware is nearly identical from what I've read. This claim is just market BS. Someone did an in-depth specification / feature set deep dive and found out / determined that the 2019 sets could actually very easily do the 4K@120hz 4.2.2 after looking at the numbers. This lie was enacted and perpetrated to sell 2020 sets to uneducated consumers which is very often the case. It's no secret manufactures want you buying all their new stuff year in and year out.

And, a conspiracy theory? Really?

I guess you missed the whole settlement Apple agreed to after it was discovered they ... secretly .... again, secrety "nerfed" the batteries in an entire series of phones, in the millions which ulimately resulted in a vast, VAST amount of people buying Apples new phones a lot sooner than they should have. that settlement was in hundreds of millions of dollars. Google it. Conspiracy theory ....... reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllly. O-KAY.
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You sound like the very trusting type ..... I admire that in you. When you get to my age, the world becomes ... very clear, your eyes pop open and you grow to become jaded and cynical as you realizes the entirity of humanity want's to fuck you from behind while at the same time reaching into your pockets to take all your money.
 
SixFootDuo said:
The hardware is nearly identical from what I've read. This claim is just market BS. Someone did an in-depth specification / feature set deep dive and found out / determined that the 2019 sets could actually very easily do the 4K@120hz 4.2.2 after looking at the numbers. This lie was enacted and perpetrated to sell 2020 sets to uneducated consumers which is very often the case. It's no secret manufactures want you buying all their new stuff year in and year out.

And, a conspiracy theory? Really?

I guess you missed the whole settlement Apple agreed to after it was discovered they "nerfed" the batteries in an entire series of phones which resulted in millions of people buying Apples new phones a lot sooner than they should have. that settlement was in hundreds of millions of dollars.

You sound like the very trusting type ..... I admire that in you. When you get to my age, the world becomes ... very clear, your eyes pop open and you grow to become jaded and cynical as you realizes the entirity of humanity want's to fuck you from behind while at the same time reaching into your pockets to take all your money.
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What Apple does has no bearing on LG. Apple's "throttling the phone to maximize battery life" was a clear technical implementation that was most likely not intended to be a malicious feature. I have a hard time assuming malicious intent over just pure incompetence. There are no "uneducated" consumers who will be even aware of the 4K 120 Hz 4:2:0 thing. It is not a feature that concerns anyone using these TVs in their living room as you know, TVs.

We don't know what actually goes inside the LG TVs. Also the CX series is not capable of 4:2:2 at 120 Hz without HDMI 2.1 source. Only 8-bit, 4:2:0 without HDR. That this is not achievable on C9 could be a number of reasons and just looking at bandwidth numbers and specs does not tell the whole tale. As a software developer I know these things can be far more complicated than they seem. For developers of these things maybe it was considered the feature was so niche that putting in the man hours to implement it to work on the C9 was not worth the cost. This happens all the time in modern software development with bug fixes, new features and newer model developmetn getting preference from management when allocating how developers should spend their time.
 
kasakka said:
What Apple does has no bearing on LG. Apple's "throttling the phone to maximize battery life" was a clear technical implementation that was most likely not intended to be a malicious feature. I have a hard time assuming malicious intent over just pure incompetence. There are no "uneducated" consumers who will be even aware of the 4K 120 Hz 4:2:0 thing. It is not a feature that concerns anyone using these TVs in their living room as you know, TVs.

We don't know what actually goes inside the LG TVs. Also the CX series is not capable of 4:2:2 at 120 Hz without HDMI 2.1 source. Only 8-bit, 4:2:0 without HDR. That this is not achievable on C9 could be a number of reasons and just looking at bandwidth numbers and specs does not tell the whole tale. As a software developer I know these things can be far more complicated than they seem. For developers of these things maybe it was considered the feature was so niche that putting in the man hours to implement it to work on the C9 was not worth the cost. This happens all the time in modern software development with bug fixes, new features and newer model developmetn getting preference from management when allocating how developers should spend their time.
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"CX series is not capable of 4:2:2 at 120 Hz without HDMI 2.1 source. Only 8-bit, 4:2:0 without HDR"

You knew what I meant.

And what Apple does vs LG absolutely has no bearing on anything, you're missing the point and maybe purposely so. Of course it doesn't. I'm speaking to the fact, FACT that corporations constantly play these marketing BS games, removing features, misinformation, misrepresentation, etc. You make it sound as if everyone plays nice and farts rainbows. And that Apple, Samsung, etc has never ever removed or broke a feature for their own benefit. Pleaaaaaaaseeee.

Again, without over complicating my initial posting ( and please don't take it where it doesn't belong ) to safe guard against any unexpected "feature downgrades" I would disable automatic firmware updates in high-end LG 2019 sets. Samsung was caught red handed purposely breaking a handful of features in 2015 or 2016 series via firmware updates. This, you can Google. Apple was recently caught doing this with their battery management back end on some of their phones that resulted in very substantial settlements.

With HDMI 2.1, the CX having only 40 vs the C9 having 48, I would dare not take a chance with LG pushing any updates. If LG did push an update in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I would be very very suspicious of ... why.

Yes, I am sore that LG could have added in Freesync and 4K@120hz 4.2.0 to C9 owners but didn't.

Hisense and TLC just released their new 2020 sets and so far, they are receiveing glowing reviews. I cannot wait to see what the Chinese can beg, borrow and steal from these other manufactures moving forward. No doubt that in the next few years we are going to see some very high performance budget friendly sets.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Again, without over complicating my initial posting ( and please don't take it where it doesn't belong ) to safe guard against any unexpected "feature downgrades" I would disable automatic firmware updates in high-end LG 2019 sets. Samsung was caught red handed purposely breaking a handful of features in 2015 or 2016 series via firmware updates. This, you can Google. Apple was recently caught doing this with their battery management back end on some of their phones that resulted in very substantial settlements.

With HDMI 2.1, the CX having only 40 vs the C9 having 48, I would dare not take a chance with LG pushing any updates. If LG did push an update in the next 2 or 3 weeks, I would be very very suspicious of ... why.
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40 vs 48 Gbps has absolutely no real world relevance to users. The LG OLED panels are 10-bit, 40 Gbps is enough for 4K 120 Hz 10-bit 4:4:4 with HDR. HDMI 2.1 AV receivers will also only have 40 Gbps and the same seems to be the case for Xbox Series X and most likely PS5. These are all done for the same end goal: less cost to the manufacturer. The folks crying over 10 vs 12 bit are probably ones whose favorite movie is "4K test images".

LG would really have to go out of their way to break things to what end? To make C9 owners sell theirs and buy a CX? Make CX sell better? They are already having difficulty keeping up with demand! I just have a hard time being so cynical that major companies have management rub their hands and tell their engineers to break features on purpose in hopes of selling more things. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

But if it helps you sleep at night by all means turn off firmware updates. I'll leave them on on my C9 65" and CX 48".
 
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The RTX 3090 isn't a good value? LUL WHAT? It's the fastest GPU on the planet. Do some of you really want this for free, or cheap? I really really really hate to see this logic within our HardOCP community where, it's expected that we reside within a community of "Hard" advanced users who chase performance. We do it hard or we go home.

Every generation of GPU I have to see, hear and witness this attitude here on these forums. You people have had 2 years to tuck away $20 here and $40 there. You have old hardware, older electronics, buying habits you could have sold and or changed to make this a reality.

Value is a very personal perception that is going to differ from one person to the next. Please, speak for yourself.

I challenge all of you to start selling the crap you have laying around to make this 3090 happen. 2 weeks is a long time to clear out $1,000 worth of stuff. Wife has an old juicer she isn't using or going to use, that's $50 right there, old bar stools in the garage, that's $30 or $40, random memory? That's $10 or $20 right there. Old 1tb or 2tb hard drives, people pay $30 or $40 for these all day long. Old CPU, Video Card, Motherboards? $100 ... $200? etc etc etc. A PS4 or Xbox that you really don't use? That's another thing, get rid of your old PS4 and Xbox shit now. This is def the time to do that. It's estimated that the average house hold has $2,000 to $3.000 in unwanted items laying around that have current market value. Yes, I've read that before and it's probably true.

Getting back to this "value" comment. They are giving us a TITAN class GPU with 24GB's of DDR6, not @ $2400 dollars but at the incredible value of $1500. That's $900 off. And this is still not a good value to some of you? ... Jesus.

Anyways, good luck.

And seriously, use these next 2 weeks to sell off your unwanted crap. Tech hording is lame and a year from now, all that random shit you have laying around will be almost worthless.

See you guys at Microcenter at 4AM the morning of the 24th. And, have your damn money together. I've dreamed ... dreamed of owning a Titan class GPU. Who is going to join me?
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Haha, I love your passion.

I spent probably the equivalent of $1800 on SLI dual 1080 cards in 2016. The 3090 is my next upgrade, let's do it HARD!

(But I won't be queing at Microcenter, I'll probably just be boring and wait for reviews of quiet fan AIB models so I can pick one that's nice and silent).
 
Hi guys,
Is anyone using the CX for playing BR games (like fortnite, warzone, or pubg) and if so, can you please post your feedback on the experience and input lag?
Thanks.
 
caffix said:
Haha, I love your passion.

I spent probably the equivalent of $1800 on SLI dual 1080 cards in 2016. The 3090 is my next upgrade, let's do it HARD!

(But I won't be queing at Microcenter, I'll probably just be boring and wait for reviews of quiet fan AIB models so I can pick one that's nice and silent).
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I am still rockin 1080ti sc hybrids in sli on a high bandwidth bridge. I skipped the 2000 series as I found it incremental and mediocre from my position (this was even admitted to by Jensen Huang in his speech and his charts showing 1000, 2000, and 3000 series' performance yesterday).

I try to buy in the deep end every so many years, picking my battles. Traditionally I've waited on the Ti series for almost the exact same performance rather than paying the "Titan Early Tax". However, this time I'm going to get a 3090 "Neptune" with the AiO water cooler whenever I can get one from EVGA hopefully, and not at "Limited stock" / "OOS" upcharges of several hundred dollars above retail so I'll have some wait already as it is.

I'm still not decided on which OLED I'll get between november deals on C9, E9, CX of 55" and the posibility of a LG OLED panel based Vizio 55" with it's own gaming chip. I'm still leaning heavily toward the 48 CX for it's smaller size though.
 
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Ok, I just got my new 48 CX set up. It is a total stunner on the desktop so far. I mean - WOW. These inky blacks and punchy image.

So, anxious to try a game and test that I can do 120HZ at 4k with an old and shoddy HDMI cable, I loaded up Doom. On the first load, I came to see my right monitor of my triple screen setup was set to be the default monitor - that and that left screen are my old 40" 4k monitors using display ports. So I set the 48CX in the middle to be my main monitor. And the right monitor was still trying to display the game on launch, except this time I got a black screen and had to CRL-ALT-DEL and quit. So I tried again, verifying the CX was the main and same issue. Then I unplugged the old 40's, going with just the CX, and DOOM fired up fine.

So I went into the menus and turned V-Sync on, and low and behold I was running at 120hz! Great, I thought. Then I realised I was only in 1080p. I went to change the res, and 4k was not an option! I think the max is 1440p. I run on SLI Pascal Titans...so it's not the video card. Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening? Is it my crappy HDMI cable?

I will order better cables. I want to get 2 more of these CX's. But I want to make sure I can get it running 4k @120hz.

And how do I test the desktop HZ? It's set to 120 in the Nvidia Control Panel...but it seems as responsive as my 60hz screens. I am in GAME mode, btw.

Thanks for any help! I am going to try to find another HDMI cable to test with...
 
lludson said:
So I went into the menus and turned V-Sync on, and low and behold I was running at 120hz! Great, I thought. Then I realised I was only in 1080p. I went to change the res, and 4k was not an option! I think the max is 1440p. I run on SLI Pascal Titans...so it's not the video card. Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening? Is it my crappy HDMI cable?
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Yes, you need a HDMI capable of transmitting 4k120, which old ones can not do. I personally hate HDMI's cable branding; I think 2.1 cables are branded as "Ultra High Speed", but it's really impossible to keep track anymore.
 
gamerk2 said:
Yes, you need a HDMI capable of transmitting 4k120, which old ones can not do. I personally hate HDMI's cable branding; I think 2.1 cables are branded as "Ultra High Speed", but it's really impossible to keep track anymore.
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Thanks! Yes I just found a 6' HDMI cable from upstairs, and I think for sure I am 120hz on the desktop now. It feels much more smooth. But still in Doom, I have no 4k option. Should I change my desktop HZ to 60 to test?

EDIT - Ok, I have no 4k still in DOOM. But I loaded F12019, and I was able to get 4k 120hz on this single screen (not triple) on low graphics settings, and it ran 120fps with Vsync, but I lost FPS going to higher graphics settings. Which is shocking given I am driving the game with SLI Pascal Titans...and a 9900k, 64gb ram.

But anyway, if I can get 4k in F12019, why not in DOOM? I don't get it...
 
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The RTX 3090 isn't a good value? LUL WHAT? It's the fastest GPU on the planet. Do some of you really want this for free, or cheap?
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It has nothing to do with expecting it to be free or cheap. That's a ridiculous statement. No one is expecting top tier performance at a bargain basement cost. Perhaps you misunderstood me, and maybe that's my fault for not putting it into context. If the rumors are true that the 3090 will be roughly 15-20% faster than the 3080, yet costs over twice as much, that does not represent a good value compared to the 3080. Just like with the Inland NVMe drive that was all the rage last year. It was slightly slower than some other high end drives like the Samsung 970 EVO Plus, but it was also like 1/2 the price - which made it a great value. Most people wouldn't pay twice as much for slightly higher read/write speeds, and the same principle applies here (assuming the rumors are true and the 3080 has most of the real-world performance of the 3090).

Now with that being said, I'm glad that you brought up the point about the Titan because when I look at it from that perspective, I can see where you're coming from. I've been buying the top Ti card the last few cycles (780Ti, 980Ti, 1080Ti, skipped the 2080 series) and so I haven't kept up with Titan prices. Compared to Titan RTX @ ~$2500, heck yes this new 3090 seems like a bargain! But I think that Nvidia was on some sort of crack binge when they decided on that MSRP, particularly when previous Titan models were priced in the $1200 range.

SixFootDuo said:
I really really really hate to see this logic within our HardOCP community where, it's expected that we reside within a community of "Hard" advanced users who chase performance. We do it hard or we go home.
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Yes, that's the motto and there have always been people around here who have chased performance. But, it's also a well known fact that you have to pay to play! And that chasing that last 10-15% of performance will always, always cost you. Diminishing returns. It's not unique to the computer hobby, or the 3090, or [H]. It's that way with virtually everything. Audio gear...a pair of headphones or an amp that has slightly better measurements than another piece of gear that costs half as much. Cars that only go a little bit faster than a Corvette but cost several times the price. Custom firearms that shoot slightly tighter groups for 4x the price of an off the shelf rifle. Air coolers that cost 2x-3x what a budget cooler does, but only perform a few degrees cooler. Countless Intel CPU releases where the top end i7 was priced much higher than the mainstream variant (such as the i7-920 or i7-2600K), yet only offered maybe a 10% performance gain, particularly if you overclocked the cheaper one to narrow the gap.

So let's try to agree on common ground here. Compared to the 3080 which should offer most of the performance of the 3090 at less than half the cost, I do not think that the latter represents a good value (i.e. bang for buck). But compared to the previous Titan which cost roughly $1000 more, yeah, I can see why one would think that this new one was a good value! It's going to outperform the old card at a lower price. And that's the same reason why the 3080 is looking like an incredible value compared to the older, costlier 2080Ti. The 3080 is looking like it'll significantly outperform the 2080Ti for ~$500 less, and that's kind of mind-blowing. And those who absolutely must chase that last bit of FPS can step up and shell out another $800 (more than the price of the 3080!) for the top tier card, while still feeling like they're getting a bargain compared to Titan RTX.
 
As far as the price vs value title goes that will go to the 3070 the reviewers are speculating. Won't know for sure until they do the actual bench marks however. That's not to say the 3080 and 3090 are bad in any way. They just wont take the price vs value crown is all. That's the early speculation at this time.
 
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As far as the price vs value title goes that will go to the 3070 the reviewers are speculating. Won't know for sure until they do the actual bench marks however. That's not to say the 3080 and 3090 are bad in any way. They just wont take the price vs value crown is all. That's the early speculation at this time.
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Agreed. The 3070 may very well end up being the "sweet spot" for mainstream gamers. Most people are still gaming at 1440p and may not benefit as much as 4K users from the 3080/3090, or be willing to pay the premium for them. I expect it'll sell extremely well.
 
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