HP Omen 32" QHD Monitor - 2560x1440, 5ms, 75Hz freesync, VA panel

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  1. Daffan

    Daffan [H]Lite

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    why is VA legendary?

    I thought TN was worse... and IPS is still crap anyway because it goes all gray.
     
  2. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge Not the Idiot YOU are Looking for

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    They all have their issues. The best examples of each type are pretty good, but they're the exceptions.
     
  3. viivo

    viivo Gawd

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    And this is why my hatred of UPS burns with the fire of a thousand suns:

    FUPS.jpg

    Someone really doesn't want me to have this monitor.
     
  4. IdiotInCharge

    IdiotInCharge Not the Idiot YOU are Looking for

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    Ouch. Though I will say UPS has been good down here- but it does depend on the location (for any delivery service).
     
  5. Bankie

    Bankie [H]ard|Gawd

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    I'm going to return mine. I'm thinking about getting a replacement but even if the new one has colors/brightness that are on par or better than my TN panel the other specs are still noticeably worse than I originally anticipated so I'm not sure if I want to go through the effort.


    1) 120/144hz > 75hz even when non-gaming. Just moving the mouse from one monitor to the other is night and day.

    2) When gaming moving the camera will cause the textures to go muddy.

    2) Freesync is not very noticeable to me. I notice it being on during cutscenes as far as tearing but when people said that it aids smoothness I guess I thought that it meant that you couldn't tell when 75fps drops to 50fps as far as frametimes. 50fps still feels less smooth than 60fps which feels less smooth than 75fps which feels less smooth than 90fps which feels a little less smooth than 120fps. Freesync just seems like a gimmick since I'm apparently not very susceptible to tearing during gameplay even when dropping to 90fps on a 144hz display.

    3) While I wouldn't call the Omen response time "slow" it does feel off from what I'm used to.


    This is the best image I could find that describes the difference between how 75hz and 144hz feels to me. Yes it's a marketing slide but it's better than most to show the comparison IMO. The difference is highly apparent to my eyes in LoL where you're generally moving a small character across the background; at 144hz it's like you move smoothly across the background whereas at 75hz the character kind of "jumps" a millimeter at a time.

    [​IMG]


    It probably wouldn't bother me as much had I not been gaming on a 144hz monitor for the past few years. I think I've just been spoiled and I'm going to have to go to a 27" 144hz or a 34" 100+hz UW to be happy with a new display.
     
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  6. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardness Supreme

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    Freesync probably isn’t actually working for you. It stopped working for me with Vega but always worked with Fury X.

    It works perfectly smooth when it is workkng between 48 and 75hz. Buttery smooth. Creamy buttery smooth.

    Try downloading the AMD freesync windmill demo and see if it’s actually working.

    https://community.amd.com/thread/180553

    That said. I had a 144hz monitor and couldn’t tell the difference between that and the 75hz monitor when gaming with freesync. The only time i could tell was when spinning a dialogue box around in little circles on the desktop. I now am using a 1080ti and the new Alienware 34” at 120hz with gsync. It’s not smoother in games to my perspective than freesync (working) was with the Omen and Fury X crossfire setup.
     
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  7. Bankie

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    The monitor shows that Freesync is on and I notice no screen tearing when it's on but it doesn't seem as "smooth" or responsive as 144hz (or even 90fps at 144hz). I have not tried the windmill demo yet.
     
  8. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardness Supreme

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    The monitors freesync white on screen GUI label isnt tied to freesync actually being on. It always says freesync is on if it’s in gaming feeesync or a custom profile based on gaming freesync. Even with my 1080ti. All three of my omens do that.

    You have to enable freesync in the catalyst control panel, and on the monitor. But not really any assurance it’s actually working except no visible artifacts. (And buttery smooth goodness with no tearing )

    Don’t forget to set frame rate target control to about 73FPS in the catalyst control panel to avoid using vsynch and still stay in freesync range. Vsync ruins the experience of freesync IMO.
     
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  9. Bankie

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    Freesync is on in the control panel and I limited to FRTC to 73fps. Some things I'm reading are saying not to use AMD's FRTC as it gives incosistent frametimes so try using RivaTuner's FRTC or enable Vsync instead. I've also read that FS only works in Fullscreen and not in a Borderless Window.

    I've also read that FS cannot overcome the higher frametimes of lower fps so if you always run with VSYNC OFF and are used to 8.33ms frametime it won't magically make 20ms frametimes smooth.

    Guess I have some experimenting to do when I get home from work.
     
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  10. Archaea

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    Vsync sucks on top of freesync. I’d rather not use vsync at all. The mouse lag input from Vsync sucks and you don’t even realize it until you don’t use it for awhile. Then you realize how distasteful it is. The windmill demo will also show you that Vsync, which you can toggle on and off in real-time in the demo adds a bit of jutter as compared to freesync alone. I never tried to frame cap with rivia tuner.
     
  11. silvercloud

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    My main display recently died and after researching displays for awhile I've pretty much settled on the HP Omen 32" as my monitor of choice. I read the posts by those of you who got the monitor from Costco for $250 on a Black Friday deal. Seems you guys got really lucky. I just went to costco.com and unfortunately the monitor is now listed for $399 there, which is over my budget. The Cheapest available price I've been able to find now is directly from HP where they are offering the monitor for $379, but that is still over my budget and doesn't include tax which should bring it up to over $400. They also have the speaker-free version of the monitor (the 32Q) for $339. But if I can't find this monitor for under $300 I'm going to have to try and find something comparable in the below $300 price range. Does anyone have any suggestions for a comparable monitor, or has anyone found the Omen or the 32Q being offered for a better price somewhere I haven't seen yet?
     
  12. IdiotInCharge

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    I will point out: the entire point of VRR of any type is to not use v-sync. Turn it off in game.
     
  13. Bankie

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    Well I installed the Windmill and Nvidia's Pendulum demo. Freesync is definitely on. Pendulum is better to test with as it doesn't crash when you non-fullscreen it like Windmill and it also gives better FPS control. One thing about the Windmill is it really shows the slow pixel response times of the Omen as there is a 1/2" trailing image following the blades. On the Asus there is absolutely no trail.

    Omen 32 @ 75hz

    Windmill (55fps and 60fps options)
    Freesync on - Vsync off = Smooth / no tearing
    Freesync off - Vsync on = Jittery / no tearing
    Freesync on - Vsync on = The most jitter / no tearing
    Freesync off - Vsync off = Jittery / tearing

    Pendulum was the same but the increased control over FPS will let you see when Freesync is out of range; lots of tearing below 40fps and above 80 fps.


    Asus VG248QE @ 144hz

    Windmill (I had to make the Asus my primary monitor just to get it over there. Only 55fps and 60fps options still.)
    Vsync on = Jitter / No tearing
    Vsync off = Jitter / tearing

    Pendulum (144hz)
    Vsync on = Super smooth / No tearing
    Vsync off = Super smooth / a little tearing


    Regardless non-FS 144hz looks much smoother to me than Freesync'd <75hz (at least in the demos. I'll try some games with FRTC and Borderless Windowed versus Fullscreen later). Though Freesync does get rid of 100% of the screen tearing it only really bothers me at low refresh rates; at high rates on the Asus (90+) it's not really noticeable to me.
     
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  14. deeselcyde

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    In regards to the whole Freesync/Vsync I've found that turning Vsync ON and limiting my framerate to 74 using Rivatuner. When I did not have it limited and it capped at 75 with Vsync ON I did notice some noticeable input lag but weirdly enough with those same settings and having it capped at 74 the input lag was pretty much gone. With Vsync OFF it was a tad more responsive but with it ON I have a better gaming experience because no tearing during cut scenes, etc. Unless you're some MLG pro gamer I don't see the need to turn Vysnc Off with my configuration, YMMV. But if you are a pro gamer you're not getting this monitor.
     
  15. IdiotInCharge

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    Are you using Freesync?
     
  16. viivo

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    I just received the monitor. My immediate impressions: holy crap that's some ghosting, and oh my that's some input lag. My IPS LG Ultrawide is looking better by the moment.

    Is there anything I can do about the input lag? On just the desktop there is a very noticeable delay.

    edit: Another thing. It keeps reverting to 59Hz in Windows Display Settings. I change it back to 60 (or 75) and when I come back it's at 59 again.
     
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  17. Daffan

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    Yeah, I boxed mine up and am going to return it to the store tonight. The ghosting/smearing is worse than any panel I've used in the past 10 years; maybe even longer as I don't recall my old Dell 2005fpw being near this bad. The input lag might be better on AMD cards (which I'm using) but it still feels "off" when compared to my other monitor. I WOULD NOT recommend that anyone pick this monitor up for gaming.

    Guess I'm back to waiting for real HDR monitors to be released. I thought that this one could be a stopgap but it's not at all what I anticipated.
     
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  19. Archaea

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    Not sure what to say. I have the Alienware 34” ips ultrawide which is rated to be one of the least laggy monitors there is. I can’t tell the difference between that and my 1080ti and my HP omen 32” with a fury X and freesync. The black white smear is a negative of VA panels. Just like IPS glow is a negative of IPS and off angle viewing is a poor color reproduction is a characteristic of TN. Everybody gets to pick their poison.

    I just sold my three omens and the Buyers absolutely love them.
     
  20. Bankie

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    Daffan's link describes it perfectly IMO even with the broken Google translation.


    "The latency is an important value for players, we determine them as the sum of the signal delay time and the half average picture change time. With a signal delay of long 49.6 ms, the Omen By HP 32 can not convince."

    "Worse weighs the fierce blur impression in fast pans such. B. in cornering. Here are rapidly moving parts of the picture heavily smeared. This will not only attract pampered eyes, who are used to a high refresh rate. Partly because of the large display so unpleasant that sensitive people could be bad."

    "Even for first-person shooters, the display is not suitable because it has an extremely high latency. So it may be that you have already been hit without being able to react at all. In addition, here also shows the problem of blurring, if you want to scan the environment for possible opponents and doing too fast pans."

    "Actually, the display is aimed at the players, because the Omen by HP 32 is advertised explicitly as a gaming display. Tragically, the monitor can not convince here at all and has too lazy pixels that just do not want to show a sharp moving picture. The high latency is also counterproductive for fast first-person shooters."
     
  21. viivo

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    Thing is, I desperately wanted to at least be content with the Omen, because I'm trying to get away from 21:9 for various reasons and a 32" 2560x1440 is perfect for my needs. But the blur/ghosting is too bad to ignore. Does anyone know anything about the Philips BDM3270QP2? Or can suggest another 32" around $300-$450?
     
  22. Archaea

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    If the black white blur bothers you that much then you need to look for a IPS or TN based panel.
     
  23. viivo

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    I only play an MMO, so I don't require 1ms, but there has to be a middle ground between not that noticeable, and an afterimage of the previous frame still slowly fading every time the camera moves like on the Omen. Maybe I received a bad sample, but it's difficult to describe how obvious and distracting it is. It's the worst I've seen on any monitor or TV used as a monitor.
     
  24. Archaea

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    Then it was clearly a bad unit, or I got three excellent units. You see this whole thread of 90% positive reviews and you can pick your choice of reviews on YouTube. It certainly wouldn’t be anywhere close to the worst tv or monitor I’ve ever seen - rather my vote is its one of the best I’ve ever seen. I directly compared mine to a Dell 3014 which is considered one of the best picture quality monitors ever made, and decided to keep the Omen because the 75hz refresh and freesync was a bigger tick up for gameplay than the picture quality tick down from the Dell 3014. I’m currently using the 34” Dell] Alienware IPS ultrawide which is a $1500 MSRP monitor and well reviewed at that price and directly compared that to the Omen as well in the last couple weeks and it’s a series of trade offs like it was with the Dell 3014. The IPS has worse black level, and IPS glow,and backlight bleed, but no black to white smear. Between the two technologies neither is perfect.

    I don’t own the Omens anymore, (sold them last week) so I have no stake here but the Acer 35” VA ultrawide I had actually was considerably worse for the VA black white smear characteristic. I did notice it on Omen, but it was forgivable in the grand scheme of things.

    Does your look like what I documented here or worse? Time stamp 32:49




    Compare that to 16:46 Timestamp for the Acer 35” ultrawide VA.

    The Dell 3014 IPS didn’t have any of this white black transition smear.
     
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  25. viivo

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    I'm wondering now if I got a stripped down version since I ordered from Costco. All the writing on the outside of the retail box looks to be Turkish. The only English I can find is the fine print on the bottom about how the product may vary from the image, etc..
     
  26. entropism

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    I ordered from Costco, and my box is entirely english.
     
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    Just a quick FYI, UPS is really messed up right now. I've had several packages in route over the past week and many have been mysteriously delayed. I waited in an hour long line at one of their ship centers yesterday to pick a couple of them up. Everyone there was pissed. I overheard one of the employees quietly telling a customer that they just upgraded one of their main systems and it was failing spectacularly. Here are a few of the problems from the people in line:

    - multiple delivery attempts with no drop off despite the door tag being signed which resulted in package being held at ship center
    - packages going missing on trucks
    - packages being left at ship center despite no request to do so
    - packages going out for delivery that should have been at ship center
    - packages just missing in general
     
  28. IdiotInCharge

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    Wow, that's pretty wild- and this is their busiest time of the year. I did eight 'peak seasons' with them in various hub positions, and stuff gets wild, when the technology is working.
     
  29. viivo

    viivo Gawd

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    I completely understand that the week following black friday/cyber monday is going to be hell for companies like UPS and FedEx. It's just that my local UPS hubs and distribution centers are slow and deliver banged up boxes on even the slowest days of the year.