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DLSS 5 - Generative AI

erek said:
ahahah, i just noticed some stuff too

the mouths weren't even moving during the dialogue with this DLSS 5

and also the sweat isn't moving or anything, everything feels so static... you really have to play it to see

like i just watched a "cinematic" with this DLSS 5 and they're speaking, there's audio, but the lips didn't move

the sweat isn't moving or anything

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also it's really pushing the limits of my power draw too, over 600+ Watts for this, doesn't look that great with the lips not moving during speech and static sweat, who knows what else is just static imagery

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LukeTbk said:
there is also that the best goes in the high end studio the rockstar, call of duty, battlefield team are really good, doing remake work on Unreal 4 can end up geting more bottom of the pole people interested in that.

I am not sure diversity-representation and ideology play a big role for the shaders/core engine parts, they will push this more in less technical heavy part of the game studio usually.
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I'd say cancer often spreads/metastasizes - especially when it gets to, and anyone and everyone has to filter through, HR/hiring to go wherever in said company
 
LukeTbk said:
? how much do they move when it is off ? we see lips moving in many other games with the mod.
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not sure, but literally just finished the G League and watched a dialogue with 0 lip movement but they were "talking"

i actually noticed the sweat itself wasn't moving too which was jarring, just static

but previously with DLSS 5 off (as in prior to today, i didn't notice this issue, i'm sure it would of been noticeable. also NVIDIA's official discord server is warning folks about a ton of Unofficial AI Slop generated videos supposedly portraying DLSS 5 and not to trust them.)
 
"it’s such a heavy hit. Reviews are saying with a 5080 they aren’t able to maintain 60FPS without turning on MFG and creating some input lag"
 
erek said:
ahahah, i just noticed some stuff too

the mouths weren't even moving during the dialogue with this DLSS 5

and also the sweat isn't moving or anything, everything feels so static... you really have to play it to see

like i just watched a "cinematic" with this DLSS 5 and they're speaking, there's audio, but the lips didn't move

the sweat isn't moving or anything

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also the characters look significantly aged. he looks older than Lebron

my player is supposedly 17-18, high school to G League

looks like 40-50. i heard this is a common observance too, not just me, in a lot of the games (unofficially released support of course)
 
erek said:
also it's really pushing the limits of my power draw too, over 600+ Watts for this, doesn't look that great with the lips not moving during speech and static sweat, who knows what else is just static imagery

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massive power draw and horrific performance even on 5090, and you all are saying it’s the best advancement in graphics of all time 🙄

only a very small percentage of gamers are even having a tolerable experience

most aren’t affording 5,000 dollar graphics cards, that’s for sure


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erek said:
massive power draw and horrific performance even on 5090, and you all are saying it’s the best advancement in graphics of all time 🙄

only a very small percentage of gamers are even having a tolerable experience

most aren’t affording 5,000 dollar graphics cards, that’s for sure


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When the hell did I say it's the best advancement in graphics of all time? I literally said it's a more subtle difference if the in game character models and lighting is already excellent and that DLSS5 isn't worth it to use in that scenario. Did you even read my full post or you just putting words in my mouth?
 
MistaSparkul said:
When the hell did I say it's the best advancement in graphics of all time? I literally said it's a more subtle difference if the in game character models and lighting is already excellent and that DLSS5 isn't worth it to use in that scenario. Did you even read my full post or you just putting words in my mouth?
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well i wasn't specifically calling you out, but just the general vibe and especially those who are just third party commentators and haven't even played a game with it yet

perhaps the peanut gallery?
 
erek said:
well i wasn't specifically calling you out, but just the general vibe and especially those who are just third party commentators and haven't even played a game with it yet

perhaps the peanut gallery?
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My bad I read it as "you" and not "you ALL". Anyways overall I think it CAN be quite useful in some games, not so much in others. And it's totally OPTIONAL to use sooooo 🤷‍♂️. Not to mention performance will improve over time, the state it's in now is as bad as it will ever be.
 
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MistaSparkul said:
My bad I read it as "you" and not "you ALL". Anyways overall I think it CAN be quite useful in some games, not so much in others. And it's totally OPTIONAL to use sooooo 🤷‍♂️. Not to mention performance will improve over time, the state it's in now is as bad as it will ever be.
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what if it becomes a non-negotiable? might happen, could happen
 
erek said:
what if it becomes a non-negotiable? might happen, could happen
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Given the pushback against DLSS5, I doubt it's ever going to be mandatory. Just like gamers, you got devs who hate it just for the sake of hating it and so they won't ever use it, not even in an optional way.
 
erek said:
another one bites the dust!

so that extra power draw i was talking about?

burned up my card just moments ago while using dlss 5. it’s dead

https://hardforum.com/threads/rtx-5090-fe-molten-12vhpwr.2039669/post-1046374113
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Its no coincidence that with the release of DLSS5: Hardware Unboxed also experience a cable melt. After they have previously tried in various ways, to make a failure happen.

Its no longer a hand-wave on user error. DLSS5 is causing sustained power draw well beyond the capability of one cable.
 
chameleoneel said:
Its no coincidence that with the release of DLSS5: Hardware Unboxed also experience a cable melt. After they have previously tried in various ways, to make a failure happen.

Its no longer a hand-wave on user error. DLSS5 is causing power draw well beyond the capability of one cable.
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It's still limited to 600 watts, just like before.
 
erek said:
so? that’s obvious

facts are dlss5 on nba 2k is pulling solid 610+ watts for me without peaks and valleys

without dlss5 it was closer to 450 and variable
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Which model 5090? Just curious. Standard is a theoretical 575W max but there are a number of 600W models like my Asus ROG Astral. Then you're hitting 610W+, so I'm wondering if that was a "600W" or a "575W" model.
 
zandor said:
Which model 5090? Just curious. Standard is a theoretical 575W max but there are a number of 600W models like my Asus ROG Astral. Then you're hitting 610W+, so I'm wondering if that was a "600W" or a "575W" model.
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msi gaming trio oc
 
MistaSparkul said:
Given the pushback against DLSS5, I doubt it's ever going to be mandatory. Just like gamers, you got devs who hate it just for the sake of hating it and so they won't ever use it, not even in an optional way.
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The "pushback" has been a far to vocal minority.
The last week, modders and gamers have shown that they want this.

I am so old I remember the psuh back/crying over AA in games.
Hell even AF makes console fans cry today (16xAF is hurting their ego).
I also remember when DLSS first came, a far to vocal minority cried but that did not help them.

DLSS 5 wil lbe the same, the crying minority will change nothing.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
The "pushback" has been a far to vocal minority.
The last week, modders and gamers have shown that they want this.

I am so old I remember the psuh back/crying over AA in games.
Hell even AF makes console fans cry today (16xAF is hurting their ego).
I also remember when DLSS first came, a far to vocal minority cried but that did not help them.

DLSS 5 wil lbe the same, the crying minority will change nothing.
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i used it first hand

nothing spectacular about it in reality, what’s shocking is the power demand. it will gulp up whatever can be provided and then some
 

“DLSS 5 improves rasterization photorealism without extreme overhead. Path Tracing​


The results of a comprehensive graphical analysis have appeared online, dedicated to the capabilities of NVIDIA DLSS 5 Neural Rendering technology in comparison with classic rasterization and heavy path tracing. Path TracingThe main objective of the study was to determine whether artificial intelligence-based neural network processing of frames could improve the visual quality of traditional raster lighting methods to the level of physically based raytracing. Testing was conducted on a powerful PC configuration, including a processor AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, the flagship graphics accelerator of the previous generation NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 and 64 GB of high-speed DDR5 RAM with a frequency of 6000 MHz and CL30 latencies.
Direct comparisons showed that DLSS 5 can dramatically improve baseline rasterized images even with hardware ray tracing completely disabled. The neural network algorithm effectively reconstructs a realistic diffuse shading model, material physics, and the surface volume of contact shadows, eliminating the visual plane characteristic of traditional rasterization. However, NVIDIA representatives emphasize that the best final result is achieved with the highest-quality source frame: ray tracing or path tracing data provides the neural network with more physically accurate spatial information about the direction of light sources.“

https://en.gamegpu.com/news/igry/dl...zatsii-bez-ekstremalnoj-nagruzki-path-tracing
 
erek said:
i used it first hand

nothing spectacular about it in reality, what’s shocking is the power demand. it will gulp up whatever can be provided and then some
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You are a part of the "far to vocal minority" I was talking about :whistle:
Good job confirming my point.

Have you stopped with your "AI slop" posts?
 
For people like me that do not have a series 5 GPU (ASUS 4090 here), or are too lazy to test it, or are too cheap to buy a 5090, or have a 5090 and thus do not have enough money left to buy the game, or are just curious, this is as close as you can get to seeing what it looks like.

NBA 2K27 with OFFICIAL DLSS 5 Looks Like REAL LIFE | Ultra Realistic Graphics Tech Demo RTX 5090 4K


View: https://youtu.be/9eIUKUSkDuI
 
rinaldo00 said:
For people like me that do not have a series 5 GPU (ASUS 4090 here), or are too lazy to test it, or are too cheap to buy a 5090, or have a 5090 and thus do not have enough money left to buy the game, or are just curious, this is as close as you can get to seeing what it looks like.

NBA 2K27 with OFFICIAL DLSS 5 Looks Like REAL LIFE | Ultra Realistic Graphics Tech Demo RTX 5090 4K


View: https://youtu.be/9eIUKUSkDuI
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I saw this before, it looks uncanny, reminds me of LA Noire, the environment and the bodies still look like a game, but then photoreal faces are pulled over player's heads like some disturbing halloween masks.

I swear the tech looks far better in other unsupported games, even with a 40xx GPU. This game was an awful choice as a first official rollout for the tech.

It shines best in outdoors environments, completely transforming the lighting, materials and shadows from fake to ultra realistic. In NBA the court barely changes between on/off.
 
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DLSS5 will produce nice close-up screenshots of characters, but they’ll be far from realistic, simply because DLSS5 doesn’t care about the location of the light source(s).

RT makes fear in the darkness games look stupid.
DLSS5 makes light sources look stupid.
It's as simple as that.

And that’s not hate—it’s reality.
 
AVATARAT said:
DLSS5 will produce nice close-up screenshots of characters, but they’ll be far from realistic, simply because DLSS5 doesn’t care about the location of the light source(s).

RT makes fear in the darkness games look stupid.
DLSS5 makes light sources look stupid.
It's as simple as that.

And that’s not hate—it’s reality.
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good take

and addin all the other realities like crazy power draw, significantly reduced fps (opposite of what dlss 4.x and below offers), significantly higher frame times and input latency

oh and also my own card burned out with dlss5 enabled drawing 613+ watts solid
 
erek said:
good take

and addin all the other realities like crazy power draw, significantly reduced fps (opposite of what dlss 4.x and below offers), significantly higher frame times and input latency

oh and also my own card burned out with dlss5 enabled drawing 613+ watts solid
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Yeah, that’s too bad. All I can suggest is that next time you buy a cheap thermal sensor and attach it to the connector—that way you’ll know when it’s time to replace it before it reaches the melting point :(

Our graphics cards are limited to ~600 W because, without restrictions, DLSS5 can use over 800 W+...
 
AVATARAT said:
Yeah, that’s too bad. All I can suggest is that next time you buy a cheap thermal sensor and attach it to the connector—that way you’ll know when it’s time to replace it before it reaches the melting point :(

Our graphics cards are limited to ~600 W because, without restrictions, DLSS5 can use over 800 W+...
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yup

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GoldenTiger said:
That's on an extreme oc card, look at the founder's edition on the same graph and that's under 600w.
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doesn't matter, it'll pull whatever can be supplied to it. the cards are BIOS limited

my non XOC card with a standard 600 W connector was doing 613+ Watts solid before it burned out

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erek said:
doesn't matter, it'll pull whatever can be supplied to it. the cards are BIOS limited

my non XOC card with a standard 600 W connector was doing 613+ Watts solid before it burned out

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Yes the cards are bios limited, so a normal card won't exceed 600w. Your picture is of a peak wattage not solid usage, look at the graph. Notice how your picture was with gpuz set to max wattage not average or current for the reading. Good luck with your rma.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Yes the cards are bios limited, so a normal card won't exceed 600w. Your picture is of a peak wattage not solid usage, look at the graph. Notice how your picture was with gpuz set to max wattage not average or current for the reading. Good luck with your rma.
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it was solid 610+ Watts over time there before i cut out of the game. i intentionally monitor the MAX, but i'm telling you the reading there you see over time until the massive drop was over 610 Watts
 
GoldenTiger said:
That's far from the 800+ watts you're claiming cards draw with dlss5.
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???

i'm just saying it will draw whatever you can give it,,, if the BIOS is XOC it seems the sky is the limit

before NBA 2K for me wasn't drawing 610+ Watts like this
 
I tried it injected with a mod for Stalker 2, it looked alright on faces but the performance hit was too extreme.
 
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MavericK said:
I tried it injected with a mod for Stalker 2, it looked alright on faces but the performance hit was too extreme.
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yup, and the implications of that performance hit is horrible frame times and input latency too to boot

plus significant power draw and thermal implications over time
 
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erek said:
yup, and the implications of that performance hit is horrible frame times and input latency too to boot

plus significant power draw and thermal implications over time
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Yeah that was the main thing, I was running MFG so the framerate wasn't too bad, but the input latency was awful.
 
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