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Diablo 3 Beta

Aix. said:
That's why Hardcore isn't for you: the game is "work" that you do to amass possessions, and your possessions represent time you've "invested".

A Hardcore player knows you can't take it with you, and that the point of the game is to...play the game. If you die you just start again and have more fun.
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Exactly. Hardcore just doesn't appeal to most people.

That said, if you allow yourself to get into it, you'll never play softcore again. When I first got D2, I beat the game with a lvl 27 necromancer. I made my first hardcore character and NEVER played softcore again. You just can't go back. Softcore is like playing with cheat codes at that point.

And I have to laugh at the people who say it's for "students and the unemployed." This is Diablo. Leveling a character takes a couple of days. If your maxed out character with maxed out gear dies, you rage uncontrollably for a few minutes and then start over. Eventually you become numb to it and it just becomes part of the process.

I couldn't even begin to count the number of lvl 90+ characters I lost in D2. Getting into a bad spot and trying to get out of the game.
 
Skizzy said:
I remember playing D2 hardcore.. the awesome feeling of finally making it up through Hell and able to start Baal runs only to be destroyed by lag or a PKer. I had an Amazon and a Sorceress both around level 80 and they both died to PKers.
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Well at least you don't have to worry about PKs any more. AND you get to keep all your gold and bank. Thats a lot more forgiving than D2.
 
The hardest part for me will be getting my friends to play Hardcore so I don't have to solo... They're a bunch of babies.
 
Astral Abyss said:
The hardest part for me will be getting my friends to play Hardcore so I don't have to solo... They're a bunch of babies.
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Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!
 
Aix. said:
That's why Hardcore isn't for you: the game is "work" that you do to amass possessions, and your possessions represent time you've "invested".

A Hardcore player knows you can't take it with you, and that the point of the game is to...play the game. If you die you just start again and have more fun.
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oh it's definitely not for me. I don't have the time to game that I used to have thus i'd hate to see my gaming investment be lossed due to dying. Though I'm not opposed to them having hardcore mode available, choice is always good. For those crazy enough to play it, more power to 'em :p
 
big_aug said:
And I have to laugh at the people who say it's for "students and the unemployed." This is Diablo. Leveling a character takes a couple of days. If your maxed out character with maxed out gear dies, you rage uncontrollably for a few minutes and then start over. Eventually you become numb to it and it just becomes part of the process.
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"A couple of days"? Seriously? Kinda seems like you didn't even play Diablo 2.

Plus, how much time per day do you really think someone who works 8+ hours can dedicate to a game (since you brought that up again)? 4 maybe? So you can level a D2 character in 8 hours? Yeah, okay...
 
MavericK96 said:
"A couple of days"? Seriously? Kinda seems like you didn't even play Diablo 2.

Plus, how much time per day do you really think someone who works 8+ hours can dedicate to a game (since you brought that up again)? 4 maybe? So you can level a D2 character in 8 hours? Yeah, okay...
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Days played?
I can beleive it.

The hard part is getting high enough to do the Act 5.
Then you join 8 players baal run.
Rinse
Repeat

Boom you're there.
Sure it's cheap but it's possible.
 
MavericK96 said:
"A couple of days"? Seriously? Kinda seems like you didn't even play Diablo 2.

Plus, how much time per day do you really think someone who works 8+ hours can dedicate to a game (since you brought that up again)? 4 maybe? So you can level a D2 character in 8 hours? Yeah, okay...
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It seems like you didn't play D2. Do you know what rushing is?

It's been WAY too long since I played, but you can be doing hell baal runs in a few hours probably.

All you needed was the help of a sorc and a nice BO barb and you were golden. You don't really NEED the BO barb, but I personally would never tele hell baal without one. I ran multiple accounts just for that purpose.

You can clear Baal runs in minutes. Nightmare baal runs took you to 75ish right? I think you could push it to the 80's if you wanted to be safe. A lvl 90 sorc one shots entire screens at that stage. The only thing slowing you down is the spawn rate in the throne, and it's not really slow. You could clear Cows in minutes with a high level sorc too.

Obviously, your first character is going to be slower. After that, it's cake.
 
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Good thing they got rid of the ability to rush in d3. If you go into another persons game that is higher you still get the appropriate xp per kill for your level.
 
xenios said:
Good thing they got rid of the ability to rush in d3. If you go into another persons game that is higher you still get the appropriate xp per kill for your level.
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That doesn't really do much.

With a higher lvl, you'll be able to kill WAY faster and thus level way faster.
 
big_aug said:
That doesn't really do much.

With a higher lvl, you'll be able to kill WAY faster and thus level way faster.
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Should of been more specific. You can not do what you could do in d2 where levels were just handed to you if you played with people significantly higher than you. Your example is true you will level faster if someone helps you clear faster. it just wont be like in d2 where it was like candy. For instance since the game is quest based you can't skip to an end way point of an act, throw a tp down and have the lower guy come in. All the content will have to be run in order. You might be one shotting the mobs but you still have to go through it all.
 
big_aug said:
It seems like you didn't play D2. Do you know what rushing is?

It's been WAY too long since I played, but you can be doing hell baal runs in a few hours probably.

All you needed was the help of a sorc and a nice BO barb and you were golden. You don't really NEED the BO barb, but I personally would never tele hell baal without one. I ran multiple accounts just for that purpose.

You can clear Baal runs in minutes. Nightmare baal runs took you to 75ish right? I think you could push it to the 80's if you wanted to be safe. A lvl 90 sorc one shots entire screens at that stage. The only thing slowing you down is the spawn rate in the throne, and it's not really slow. You could clear Cows in minutes with a high level sorc too.

Obviously, your first character is going to be slower. After that, it's cake.
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So what you're saying is you need multiple characters going at once to do it. Gotcha.

I only ever played one at a time so your statement sounded highly unlikely to me. It still is, unless you assume you are using multiple chars like you mentioned.
 
MavericK96 said:
So what you're saying is you need multiple characters going at once to do it. Gotcha.

I only ever played one at a time so your statement sounded highly unlikely to me. It still is, unless you assume you are using multiple chars like you mentioned.
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Or you have friends.
 
big_aug said:
Or you have friends.
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I played much of the game solo, and my statement was assuming you were playing solo. Sorry if there was confusion, but being required to use multiple characters to power level does not really validate your original statement in my mind, because it wasn't stated with the stipulation that you can't do it yourself.
 
MavericK96 said:
I played much of the game solo, and my statement was assuming you were playing solo. Sorry if there was confusion, but being required to use multiple characters to power level does not really validate your original statement in my mind, because it wasn't stated with the stipulation that you can't do it yourself.
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Regardless of whether or not you had friends you could still play single player with the /players 8 command and level up extremely quickly. Not nearly as fast as getting hell rushed and doing baal runs immediately but still very fast by single player standards.
 
xenios said:
Good thing they got rid of the ability to rush in d3. If you go into another persons game that is higher you still get the appropriate xp per kill for your level.
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I dunno, it seems like you can still kill relatively quickly at lower level, things don't have as much HP in comparison to the damage you do.

A bit different than D2. Well things had lower hp, but your kill speed was usually balls.
 
PornoSatan said:
Regardless of whether or not you had friends you could still play single player with the /players 8 command and level up extremely quickly. Not nearly as fast as getting hell rushed and doing baal runs immediately but still very fast by single player standards.
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Never heard of or tried that trick. I'll have to check it out.
 
MavericK96 said:
Never heard of or tried that trick. I'll have to check it out.
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You can also put -act 5 at the end of your shortcut to start at level 30. Let's you try out builds quickly. It dumps you in Harrogath with no gear, gold or waypoints past the rogue camp, so just jump back to Act1 and run through things normally. Combine it with /players 8 and you will be even with the content by around Act 2/3, or Act5 just playing normally.
 
Superhuman said:
New spotlight video of the Barb up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiC2GEV7NA0

Looks like Tyrael is following him in some of the clips.
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Oh man oh man oh man... I can't wait for this to release. The beta version of the Barbarian is fun, but all those transformations and end game skills look too amazing. I love that they kept whirlwind, totally the Barbarian signature move. The beta was fun, but it's time for more content.
 
The barb looks fun and thats the first I've said that about a barb. I normally don't go melee/warrior in rpgs. The monk looks interesting in concept as well. I'll probably go barb or demon hunter though.
 
PornoSatan said:
Regardless of whether or not you had friends you could still play single player with the /players 8 command and level up extremely quickly. Not nearly as fast as getting hell rushed and doing baal runs immediately but still very fast by single player standards.
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Or you could just die constantly with this setting. :D
 
They put up a new beta patch + server wipes last night. Lots of tweaks to monsters and bosses, adding new special attacks and whatnot. Act1 is feeling pretty good now.

As soon as I created a new level 1, saw 500 people online, joined a randomized public game and got matched with 3 other level 1's. We ran through the whole thing up to the skeleton king together. Very cool when actual coop emerges from lumping 4 random strangers together.
 
Got a key last night.. when I log in it says that my account does not have a license key attached to it..
 
Kenjiwing said:
Got a key last night.. when I log in it says that my account does not have a license key attached to it..
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I saw a thread on the beta forums where people either had to setup a Battletag or change their Battletag to be able for it to work. No blue post though so I'd try it at your own peril.
 
Kenjiwing said:
No the actual key is on my account it says Diablo 3 Beta on it.
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Ah, ok. Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. One of the guys I work with just got an invite also. Must be another round of invites going out. Grats dude.
 
Nihsnek said:
Woot, I just got invited. Now I can compare D3 to PoE.
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Yeah, same here, and I've made comparisons...

Question/Comment One: am I missing something, or are D3's visuals truly as sub-par as they're showing on my screen?

I'm sorry, but while visuals don't "make" a game, they DO add to it's level of of immersion. I understand different art styles, but there's no reason for it to not be crisp, highly detailed, high fidelity. Thus far, after two hours of playing, the damn visuals look almost "faded" at times, almost "fuzzy" at times, lacking in detail, but sort of clear at other times, it's weird, and I have everything on "High". Not massively, mind you, but enough.

So, unless I'm missing something here, I will say that there's absolutely NO reason for visuals to look this low-end in 2012, especially from such a technically capable developer such as Blizz.

Yeah, the general aesthetics are great, but the game has less detail than fucking SC2.

Compared to Path of Exile, which has amazing fucking detail and visuals, D3 looks like a damn cartoon. I like the style, but it has hardly any damn detail, and even the spell effects are weak. Fire looks like shit.

What the hell is going on? I watched countless vids where the visuals looked "cartoony" but crisp, high fidelity... playing the game, I'm exceedingly frustrated. It looks literally faded, fuzzy... is this seriously the level of visuals/detail in the final game?

Some good detail in some things, and great atmospheres, but the lack of detail and quality to the visuals is not really up-to-par at all. I keep checking to make sure my settings took, because I just cant believe it looks quite the way it does. Does it look horrible? Depends on your opinion... very sub-par, at least.

Even casting Firebats as a Witch Doctor... looks like a slightly fuzzy mess, no detail, no crispness... yet, some of the effects do look good, so it's odd.

Different art style is one thing, but lack of fidelity is another... and don't give me that "graphics don't make a game" bullshit. It's 2012, and GGG has managed amazing visuals with PoE, and visuals greatly add to immersion, and I've been gaming for 30 years, am an artist myself, and strictly a PC gamer for over a decade... visuals fucking matter, and there's no excuse for the visuals to look like this.

Question/Comment Two: it's far more simplified than something such as PoE, FAR more, but it is fun to play, at least.

The ability to switch-out skills on-the-fly is a cool mechanic, the Ruenstones unlocked thus far for me have added to the fun, and it feels good. It is fun to play, and the skills are rather enjoyable. But, there's absolutely NO fucking customization aside from the extremely basic formula of "find different stuff, wear different stuff, choose what skills/Runestones to use", as opposed to PoE's incredibly in-depth level of customization. It's like night and day.

I hate "number crunching", but implemented in the way PoE has done it, with passive skill tree, skill and support gems, equipment and the ability to literally use and alter drastically just about any skill and piece of equipment, D3 just seems incredibly simplified. I knew it would be, but upon playing it, it seems even more so.

Question/Comment Three: is it fun to play?

The most important question, right? Also, the most difficult to answer.

Yes, it's fun, but there are things that massively detract from what otherwise could have been an amazing fucking game. Visually, it's massively distracting, for reasons described above. It's a very "simple" game... kill, collect, find better stuff, put it on... and that's fine, but just be aware that there's NO customization at all, unless you consider simply choosing a skill fucking customization. It's not... that's not different than choosing what gun you want to use in an FPS.

Skills are fun to use, and looks decent for what it is, a bit visceral and creative.

It's really a mixed bag.
 
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v0rtic3s said:
Yeah, same here, and I've made comparisons...

*snip*

It's really a mixed bag.
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Agree entirely with your post. Both games have merit but I feel like in terms of customization and graphics PoE is the winner hands-down. The graphics in Diablo 3 make me really sad, actually.
 
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