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Dell U2713H

Wow, with 10% EPP member discount added it's down to $765... :eek:


...decisions, decisions. :eek:
 
TotallyCool said:
The HM is the one you want for gaming.
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What if he/she doesn't like the HM's cross-hatching (or else) and he/she is looking for a better display?

(at least that's the only reason why I'm avoiding the U2713HM even if it is targeted for average users/gaming (like me) and looking the U2713H (cross-hatching free) instead)
 
^^ exactly.

Also I need upgrade for my U2711 that I can also game on. Waiting to see when prad.de is going to come out with a review for this.
 
U2711 works fine for gaming, even competitive online FPS I play for years so this should be even better.
 
Still would like to see prad.de numbers. Any idea when they are do out for this panel?
 
Enclave85 said:
What if he/she doesn't like the HM's cross-hatching (or else) and he/she is looking for a better display?

(at least that's the only reason why I'm avoiding the U2713HM even if it is targeted for average users/gaming (like me) and looking the U2713H (cross-hatching free) instead)
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Oh good lord. Cross hatching. I don't know where this became a thing but its ridiculous. Crosshatching has become the ultimate hyperbole in which it is suggested that you'll see some type of crisscross pattern in clearly black lines from across a room on a 2713HM. Biggest mountain out of a molehole nonsense i've ever heard. It is not anything noticeable, wait I take that back. If I put my eyeball literally half an inch from the screen, turn both brightness and contrast to 100, and then turn sharpness to 100 (you shouldn't do this) then I can maybe see it. And then I move 2 inches away and it's gone.
 
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Cross-hatching is unacceptable. Samsung's semi-glossy PLS & A-MVA displays are fine, so why can't LG's be too? Why reduce the coating and mess it up in some other way? Cross-hatching has been reported on some other AH-IPS panels too, like the Asus PB238Q overclock.ru reviewed.

The slim bezeled AH-IPS (LG IPS 2x77L, AOC i27, Viewsonic VX2770, Asus MX279H) have a matte sticker coating which is fine, so there is no excuse.
 
xoleras said:
If I put my eyeball literally half an inch from the screen, turn both brightness and contrast to 100, and then turn sharpness to 100 (you shouldn't do this) then I can maybe see it. And then I move 2 inches away and it's gone.
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Maybe you're lucky or got a really good unit and I'm glad that you're satisfied with your monitor, but unfortunately I saw cross hatching with my own eyes. I Checked 3 different working U2713HM's with my own eyes (2 in shops, 1 at a friend) all were calibrated and brand new.
The second sample was the worst, I could see the faint diagonal lines in lighter tones, not in just white from 1-1.5 meters (4-5 feet (not inches)) away. Maybe both the contrast and sharpness was turned to 100, I don't know but it was a pain to look at (apart from this, the whole monitor and the display were nice). The other 2 samples were better but leaning towards the screen I could see those faint lines from no less than 40-50 centimeters (15-20 inches) away. If it were a tv which I watch from 4-5 meters (13-16 feet) away I wouldn't bother but this is a monitor so I have to sit close.

Maybe not everyone is affected in the same extent, the last sample was at a friend, he couldn't see any lines even from 1 cm (half inch), the first sample was in a shop, the shop assistant admitted he sees those lines like me and the worst one, in another shop, the assistant couldn't see the hatching, maybe he didn't admit or he's eyes weren't the best even wearing glasses.

I live in a Middle European country, where there is a strict RMA policy which means cross-hatching is not covered but I can check working samples in shops so in the end I decided skipping the U2713HM because spending at least 550 Euro on a monitor which has a "feature" that bothers me is unacceptable for me. (or all the 3 samples were from a bad batch but as I said cross-hatching is not covered by warranty here so I couldn't ask for a replacement no matter what I say) I was glad reading at Tftcentral that this new monitor (U2713H) is hatching free.

I haven't had the opportunity to check the new U2713H in person so far but I hope I have the opportunity soon. (only 1 vendor have it in stock here and those few units were sold immediately)
 
One of the benefits of the GB-r LED on this one, is that different shades of blue are handled much better than W-LED screens, W-LED screens fail miserably in showing accurate blue shades even after calibration. Right now I'm using it at native gamut with an icc profile created with my i1DPro, this gives me the advantage of using all the features like unif. compensation, and if accurate colors are needed , you can always switch to a color managed firefox window (the photo apps are already profile aware). I personally like the wide gamut effect on games.
 
So, I called Dell about this monitor. I'd really like to purchase it. After a long wait the tech person on the phone confirmed that this monitor's programmable LUT will NOT work on a mac, sadly. Their custom calibration software is Windows only.

Anyone have any insight into this? Is he right? Anyone using this monitor happily on OS X? Are there alternative ways to program the LUT? Does that even make a difference if you don't even have a fully 10bit pipeline?

I may just have to wait for a new revision on the HM model. To many issues in A00.
 
undertaker2k8 said:
One of the benefits of the GB-r LED on this one, is that different shades of blue are handled much better than W-LED screens, W-LED screens fail miserably in showing accurate blue shades even after calibration. Right now I'm using it at native gamut with an icc profile created with my i1DPro, this gives me the advantage of using all the features like unif. compensation, and if accurate colors are needed , you can always switch to a color managed firefox window (the photo apps are already profile aware). I personally like the wide gamut effect on games.
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I like the wide gamut of my U2711 in most games as well. I find sRGB way too restrictive in capturing a lot of colours in the real world. Still hate the coating on the U2711 though. The U2713H may be what I need.
 
My review of U2713H
Im contemplating if I should return my U2713H (rev A00)
As a comparison my other monitors are: HP MVA, ViewSonic PVA, Another Dell IPS, Crossover 27Q IPS.
As note: Unlike the TFTcentrals review of the U2713H (rev A01), uniformity compensation does work to provide more homogeneous color and luminance across the entire screen.
pros:
--even without the uniformity compensation, screen color uniformity is better than my other IPS (CrossOver 27Q) but not as good as much smaller U2212 or my other MVA and PVA panels.

--uniformity compensation gives highest consistency (both color temp, hue and luminace) across entire screen I have ever seen on a LCD mointors of any kind or size.

cons:
--black level not as black as my other IPS or PVA,MVA panels. I think since wide gamut needs more light(?) this is natural consequence.
--uniformity only works on standard wide gamut factory preset at 50% bright & contrast.
--A bug in firmware!!: gamma shifts when you enter OSD->preset mode menu.
in sRGB mode, you can test the gamma by viewing following web page:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php
but first enter OSD-->preset mode--> and select sRGB
Then adjust your brightness to 40 and contrast to 55 (or whatever you prefer)
the word "Lagom" should be invisible as your gamma is more or less correct.
But if turn off the monitor and turn it back on. the gamma changes such that now you can clearly see the "Lagom" But the gamma returns to normal by merely entering OSD->preset mode !
I don't think this is because my unit is faulty but its a firmware bug.

Wish it was better for given price point but it is what it is. Next price point is NEC --> EIZO but Im sure they have their own imperfections.
 
xoleras said:
Oh good lord. Cross hatching. I don't know where this became a thing but its ridiculous. Crosshatching has become the ultimate hyperbole in which it is suggested that you'll see some type of crisscross pattern in clearly black lines from across a room on a 2713HM. Biggest mountain out of a molehole nonsense i've ever heard. It is not anything noticeable, wait I take that back. If I put my eyeball literally half an inch from the screen, turn both brightness and contrast to 100, and then turn sharpness to 100 (you shouldn't do this) then I can maybe see it. And then I move 2 inches away and it's gone.
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I disagree. I had the 2713HM for two weeks and am returning it due to cross-hatching (and the "wikipedia buzz"). I really tried to get used to it, but the fact of the matter is that it was immediately noticeable at a normal viewing distance whenever there was a light background -- I always aware of it. Granted, some units might have it worse than others, but for $650+ it' s too difficult to ignore.

Back to the "Wikipedia buzz"... From what I'm reading, even the 2713H has it? If so, that is a disappointment. My 2713HM had it, but it wasn't so much the buzz itself that bothered me, it was that the tone of the buzz would change depending on how dark or light the colors on the screen were, which can get really annoying fast when switching between tabs or apps.

It was only the during this past month I decided to upgrade my 3-year-old TN panel, and I'm simply amazed with all the issues plaguing nearly every monitor on the market (if it's not defects, it's PWM, overly aggressive AG coating, etc.)
 
Got a three year advanced replacement warranty with mine. No glaring faults or defects to complain about except for some slight hunming. Will use the warranty down the road once they're a few revisions out.
 
Got my U2713H yesterday and to my surprise I received Rev. A01. I tested my Unif Compensation on the monitor in the 'Standard' mode as that's the only way I could get it to work. I tested the monitor with my i1 Display Pro's uniformity test and saw the following.

ON:

Lum: 228 Lum: 232 Lum: 229
WP: 6538 WP:6487 WP:6342

Lum: 231 Lum: 255 Lum: 240
WP: 6681 WP:6655 WP:6443

Lum: 228 Lum: 233 Lum:246
WP: 6962 WP: 6848 WP: 6796

OFF:

Lum: 210 Lum: 213 Lum: 210
WP: 6533 WP:6490 WP:6334

Lum: 212 Lum: 225 Lum: 221
WP: 6689 WP:6657 WP: 6500

Lum: 209 Lum: 215 Lum: 225
WP: 6980 WP: 6874 WP: 6796

It appears that my screen is far more uniform that the one tested at TFT Central according to my results, but it seems like the unif comp doesnt seem to do much with rev A01. I have no problems with this since the screen is so uniform to begin with, the differences are imperceivable. At most my screen was off by about 7% with no unif compenstation... I wouldn't even worry about the feature as the screen seems so uniform even without the feature, who cares if you cant enable it in hardware calibration modes.

All in all I am very happy with the resolution colors and everything about the monitor. Only qualm is maybe it wobbles a bit too much when pressing the buttons on the OSD but with dell's display manager I really don't need to touch the screen.
 
i got my one 3 weeks ago (rev A01, interesting that 00s are still going out).

i'm really quite happy with it, i also got an i1 display pro last week so i've got it calibrated now. i've changed working rgb in documents to argb now, it's a real boon to print work. * (oh and just so it's clear, you only need this colorimeter for the hardware calibration. i think any one you have would work for normal, software calibration, providing it works with wide gamut monitors. better than nothing)

i haven't had any problems with buzzing or uniformity. if these problems are there i haven't managed to notice, though during calibration i did see numbers similar to mlibby05's findings. You can't use unif comp when you're using custom contrast and brightness values, however.

I've watched plenty of movies, and a few games. no lag issues, great colour. black depth is fine, it's not deep by any means, but it's the same as all the other ips panels i've used. I suppose it's expected given the monitor's purpose.

the only gripe i had—and i tweeted this to tftcentral to have it confirmed—was that there was green (and blue!) ghosting on certain preset modes over grey areas on the screen. (rtc / overdrive etc etc)

so for example, when scrolling through the guardian's site or perhaps moving a window while in explorer. again, it happens over grey areas—in srgb mode it's leaves small green trails and blue in movie mode iirc. it's gone now though, as i now use CAL1 or CAL2 (still a bit of ghosting over grey though). this is an old problem, sad to see it but thought i would mention it all the same. none of you have mentioned it though, so perhaps only a few experienced it.

Synomenon said:
Got a three year advanced replacement warranty with mine. No glaring faults or defects to complain about except for some slight hunming. Will use the warranty down the road once they're a few revisions out.
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interesting, i may well do the same but there isn't really anything bothering me. i doubt they would improve black depth on further revisions—but taht would be a good reason for me.
 
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Use of gaming mode for gaming. I noticed that it 'feels' like the input lag is greatly reduced when switching to gaming mode, also notice almost no ghosting at all in this mode. This mode is interesting because its the only mode that completely blacks out the screen when switching to it as if its changing more than just color settings to initiate the mode, probably overdrive as I don't see anywhere else to enable it. I know TFTCentral stated the input lag isn't reduced in game mode but it sure as heck feels like the mouse is more responsive when in this mode. I use the dell display manager to automatically set the display to game.

A questiona for fellow owners who use dell display manager. Have you figured out how to keep the monitor from switching to 'Standard' when the taskbar is selected? Maybe there is a hack to change the default color display mode to another mode in an INI or something. I tried adding explorer.exe but that doesnt seem to work for the taskbar and i was unable to add the desktop windows manager to the app list.
 
mlibby05 said:
Use of gaming mode for gaming. I noticed that it 'feels' like the input lag is greatly reduced when switching to gaming mode, also notice almost no ghosting at all in this mode. This mode is interesting because its the only mode that completely blacks out the screen when switching to it as if its changing more than just color settings to initiate the mode, probably overdrive as I don't see anywhere else to enable it. I know TFTCentral stated the input lag isn't reduced in game mode but it sure as heck feels like the mouse is more responsive when in this mode. I use the dell display manager to automatically set the display to game.

A questiona for fellow owners who use dell display manager. Have you figured out how to keep the monitor from switching to 'Standard' when the taskbar is selected? Maybe there is a hack to change the default color display mode to another mode in an INI or something. I tried adding explorer.exe but that doesnt seem to work for the taskbar and i was unable to add the desktop windows manager to the app list.
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Revision A00 and just like you, when switching to game mode, the input lag feels a lot better. It's just the color gets all ugly in this mode. It's one aspect I really appreciated with my u2711, the input lag in any mode feels better compared to this panel and switching between any other mode and game mode felt no difference. So, I could game with my custom color profile and experience tolerable input lag. I'll deal with it though, it's game mode for a reason.

I have my display manager set to custom and whenever I launch a game it automatically sets itself to game mode. It wouldn't be a nuisance if it would switch back to custom mode when I exit to desktop or alt+tab out... I also notice that when I enable display 1.2, the display manager no longer detects the monitor. I think it's because the cable doesn't support 1.2, just something to take note of nonetheless.
 
If there is any buzzing sound the sound of my fan on my computer and or light bulbs are far louder than the buzzing as I have never heard it. TFTCentral reports the screen does buzz but ive never heard it.
 
Mine have a high frequent buzzing sound when viewing a fullscreen notepad filled with #'s.
Have not heard the buzz in any other situation. Does not hear it when visiting wikipedia with screen full of text.

I don't think this is a real problem in real everyday work.

EDIT: Looked up a wikipedia-section with alot more text, now I can hear the high pitched buzz-sound. Annoying :/
 
I called Dell and to ask for a price match since it is 1040$ in Canada vs 850$ Dell US and he gave me 80$ off. Canadians, PM me if you want the reps contact info.
 
I haven't noticed any buzzing with mine, had a Rev 01 for about a week now, mostly use it on the adobeRGB setting. When I use the standard setting, I get bands of pinkish text when in a folder view, it probably has to do with my color settings in Win 2012, the windows folder tab for Video Tools has a pink background and it tinges all the text below it a slight pink in standard mode. Wish I could get it to switch back to the manual setting after playing a game, upon exiting the game it likes to stick around in game mode.
 
Has anyone gotten the card reader in the U2713H to work? I've tried connecting the USB3.0 B-port on the monitor to one of the USB3.0 A-ports on my Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe and Device Manager shows generic USB hubs, but it doesn't see the card reader. Instead there's an "Unknown Device". I've tried plugging it into all four of my USB3.0 ports and have tried updating my USB3.0 firmware and drivers.

When I plug a different USB3.0 device into my 3.0 ports, the different device works fine. When I plug the U2713H into my USB2.0 ports, everything is detected (USB hub(s) and card reader).
 
Hi everyone,

I just received the U2713H (Rev 01) yesterday and noticed that when powering down my computer some colored lines appear for a split second (a quick flash) on the display. It happens just as the PC power 'clicks' off and control is lost to the display, so you have to look carefully.

Is this normal? Has anyone else noticed this or can verify this?

I may be worried about nothing, but I've never seen this on my U2711 or any other monitor I've had. I am using Displayport to a GTX 580.

Thanks! :)
 
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Review @prad is online for those who can already access it. I was informed that an english translation is on the way. If there are any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
 
Figures for signal processing and overall display lag would be appreciated?
 
Little delicate for me as editor but I know that some people here have access to the newest reviews. Nothing to say against if someone post the values.
 
poindexter said:
They've marked their updates with the word "update".
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Drags said:
Lol yeah a bit of a giveaway :) refresh the page as they should show at the top in the links and then marked in the text too
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LOL...yeah, except the text has no marking as to what wording is different or any highlights or any new sections in the text indicating an update. Only the table of contents has "update" beside certain sections, making it difficult to know what exactly has been updated.
 
No it has sections saying "updated 31 January 2013" in the text too
 
PRAD got 30 ms of input lag but they didn't test the game mode which both some users and PC monitors have said offers lower input lag...and it seems to have the same overshoot issues as the S series.
 
csbear said:
Hi everyone,

I just received the U2713H (Rev 01) yesterday and noticed that when powering down my computer some colored lines appear for a split second (a quick flash) on the display. It happens just as the PC power 'clicks' off and control is lost to the display, so you have to look carefully...maybe do it more than once.
Is this normal? Has anyone else noticed this or can verify this?
I may be worried about nothing, but I've never seen this on my U2711 or any other monitor I've had. I am using Displayport to a GTX 580.
Thanks! :)
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Sorry to bump this so quickly, but if anyone can verify this issue that would be great. Just want to make sure I don't have a faulty unit.
 
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