Dell U2713H

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  1. Synomenon

    Synomenon [H]ardness Supreme

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    Didn't see an official thread for this monitor yet, so starting one. Anyone else interested in this monitor?

    How is this panel going to look compared to a U2713HM or U2410?


    Dell U2713H
    http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=225-4148

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    Display
    Diagonal Viewing Size:
    27" (68.47 cm)
    Aspect Ratio:
    16:9
    Panel Type, Surface:
    AH In-plane switching, anti glare with hard coat 3H
    Optimal Resolution:
    2560 x 1440 at 60 Hz
    Contrast Ratio:
    1000 to 1 (typical), Dynamic Contrast Ratio: 2 Million:1 (Max)
    Backlight Technology:
    LED
    Brightness:
    350 cd/m2 (typical), 50 cd/m2 (minimum)
    Response Time:
    6ms (grey to grey)
    Max Viewing Angle
    (178° vertical / 178° horizontal)
    Color Support:
    Color Depth: 1.07 billion colors
    Color Gamut (typical): Adobe RGB 99%, sRGB 100% and 120% (CIE 1976)3
    Pixel Pitch:
    0.231 mm


    CONNECTIVITY
    1 Dual Link Digital Visual Interface connectors (DVI-DL) with HDCP
    1 DisplayPort 1.2 (DP)
    1 Mini DisplayPort 1.2 (mDP)
    1 High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI)
    1 USB 3.0 upstream port
    4 USB 3.0 downstream ports
    1 DisplayPort out
    1 Audio out
    DC power connector for Dell Soundbar (AX510)


    BUILT-IN DEVICES
    USB 3.0 Hi-Speed Hub (with 1 USB upstream port and 4 USB downstream ports)
    DC-out


    COLOR, SIZE AND WEIGHT
    Dimensions (W x D x H)
    639.3 mm (25.17") x 200.5 mm (7.89") x 424.3 mm (16.67") ~ 538.4 mm (21.20")
    Height with stand ( Compressed ~ Extended)
    423.4 mm ~538.4 mm
    16.67" ~ 21.20"
    Height without stand
    378.2 mm
    14.89"
    Preset Display Area (H x W)
    596.7 mm x 335.7mm
    23.49" x 13.21"
    Weight (panel only - for VESA mount)
    6.30 kg (13.86 lb)
    Weight (with packaging)
    10.95 kg (24.09 lb)
     
  2. Drags

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  3. Synomenon

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    Searched and saw that one, but thought it would be good to have one just for the U2713H.
     
  4. Peat Moss

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    If it has a good sRGB emulation mode and doesn't have cross hatching, then it will be my next monitor.
     
  5. NCX

    NCX [H]ardness Supreme

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    Why would you waste your money on this when there are cheaper, good alternatives (s27a850d. vp2770, pb278q) that will likely have superior sRGB colours?

    The entire point of this display is the extra wide gamut-ness.
     
  6. ToastyX

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    This one can be calibrated in the monitor itself along with the ability to define a custom gamut, and it has uniformity correction. That puts it in the league of professional monitors. It's worth considering even if you want sRGB.

    The other monitors are close to sRGB, but not exact, and have no internal calibration or uniformity correction.
     
  7. Sycraft

    Sycraft [H]ardness Supreme

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    Ya this is a very interesting monitor from Dell because it appears to compete well with NEC's PA series. Real hardware calibration is something I've come to love about my 2690, and this has it as well. The NEC PA271W is $1400 on Amazon, this is $1000 on Dell. If the image quality is similar, then the Dell will be a real winner since the feature set is similar.

    It sounds like in some ways, the feature set might even have some advantages. The uniformity correction is supposed to be something you can measure and set in the field, whereas the NECs are all preprogrammed. Should allow for more accurate uniformity correction, if it works well.

    Also nice that it uses LEDs. Most of the high end displays are still CCFL these days (the PA series are).

    It's calibration solution is cheaper too. It comes with the software, you need to provide an i1 Display Pro, which is $250. NEC wants $300 for Spectraview and a co-branded i1 (which only works with Spectraview) or $90 for Spectraview standalone that works with your own i1.

    I'm very interested in seeing how this thing looks and how the software works. What I'm really interested in is if the U3014 will follow suit. If it does, and the reviews are good, I might get one. I want a 30" calibrated monitor but I can't bring myself to spend $2000 on a PA301W.
     
  8. Ubiquity

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    Why would you think that any of those 3 are better? And everybody knows that Dell frequently has 20-25% off sales on monitors, putting the price at $750-800.

    As far as I know, this is the first display using the brand new LG panels. Unless there is something terribly wrong with their implementation, it should be a good step up from the displays using the older panels. On paper, it is most definitely better.
     
  9. NCX

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    I did not realize it could be hardware calibrated, always wanted a good, non-grainy display with hardware calibration and good blacks, which currently does not exist. Unless PeatMosss owns an appropriate colorimeter, none of the fancy features matter. Low-mid range wide gamut displays don't usually have good sRGB colours, so my expectations are low for this, especially considering the low price compared to competing displays with the same features.
     
  10. Peat Moss

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    That's why I said "IF" this has good sRGB emulation, and doesn't have cross hatching. Those are pretty big IFs. My expectations are low as well. But one can always hope, right? Besides, I like the fact it has a card reader and other bells and whistles.

    Otherwise I'm probably looking at the Asus PB278Q with its better contrast and greyscale.
     
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    Question about displayport. Can I for instance get a 30 foot active DP cable and have audio and USB 3.0 run over it too? This would be a great monitor for me if I could have my PC in the basement and get full connectivity using only one cable...
     
  13. DViant

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    Displayport tech allows it but it depends whether Dell implemented what you wanted to do. For that cable length it was written that you will need to use fiber optic cables.





    If you own a U2711 already is it worth upgrading to a U2713H? I am having my U2711 RMA'd and I am wondering if it is worth the effort of getting a new screen.
     
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  14. raminux

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    If you could upgrade it free of charge without paying extra, why not? If it was me, I would do it.
     
  15. gan7114

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    Just got off the phone with Dell this morning. The U2713H is on its way and should be here in about a week. Support was excellent, and after some friendly deal making I received a generous % off and free shipping to boot. After I sell my U2711, I expect to almost break even. :)
     
  16. undertaker2k8

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    Got a 25% discount through our EPP rep, with free shipping and returns, so a total of $810 with ca tax, I did not go the GC route to save some more $$ as I do not want to deal with the hassle of being stuck with $500-600 gift cards if this does not meet my expectations. The compensator plus hw calibration justify the price.

    Will be comparing this to my PB278Q and deciding which to keep.
     
  17. NCX

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    I hope you intend to get or own a colorimeter...the entire point of the U2713H are the calibration features.
     
  18. undertaker2k8

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    Have an i1DPro, the only one that works with this. Primarily getting this to see if white and grey uniformity is better than the existing ones out there. At this price with a free 21 day return period, this was worth the effort.
     
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    I largely got the same discount, except I got mine through the good, old fashioned art of making the deal. Never accept full price for anything.

    Got the U2711 up for sale now, seeing if I get any bites.
     
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    Summary:

    Pros

    No PWM
    No crosshatching
    No aggressive AG, light coat
    Good sRBG emulation once calibrated (0.5 dE)
    Lots of connectivity features and extras
    VESA
    Full ergonomic adjustability

    Cons

    Humming noise when there is lots of text on the screen
    Uniformity not good, and compensator does not help
    Mediocre black levels and contrast ratio (0.16 cd/m2, and 800:1 respectively)
    Moderate input lag, higher than on Dell U2713HM
    Hardware calibration works with only one device
     
  22. Sailor_Moon

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    The color space emulation is aimed at work in non colormanaged applications. When calibrating and profilating the screen out of this mode and afterwards executing a profile validations that doesn't allow conclusions regarding the sRGB emulation accuracy (apart from neutrality and linearity hints). The display could execute absolute wrong color space transformations with a big color failure regarding sRGB – as long as the actual characteristic is represented by the profile and the display still behaves linear enough (with a LUT profile even linearity problems could be partially compensated) the validation will lead to low DeltaE values.
     
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  23. kamm

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    Any chance to get either this or another 27" with very similar performance around $800...? Just sold my U2410 and I really cannot spend more than ~$500 extra... any promo on this yet? THX
     
  24. Ubiquity

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    You just missed it on sale for $850.
     
  25. Zef Pomp

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    from your summary it seems the cons outweigh the pros? :(
     
  26. kamm

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    Most certainly NOT, it's just some people love to bitch... you'll never find a perfect monitor but this one comes very-very close to it, according to the review.
     
  27. kamm

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    Yeah, just noticed that... though $850 is well over $500 extra... maybe I will wait a few more weeks + check out other brands.
     
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    I have to wonder if there was something wrong with the uniformity compensation on the unit tested by tftcentral. It appeared to do next to nothing.
     
  29. Drags

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    They've got the U2913WM and U2413 coming soon which both have the feature so guess we will know soon whether it works or helps on those models
     
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    I doubt all U2713Hs have humming and uniformity issues that bad.
     
  31. gan7114

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    Talk about making mountains out of mole hills... let's go through these point by point (and since I own one).

    I literally stuck my ear to the back and couldn't hear a thing. I do have low fan noise emanating from my computer nearby. Under normal environmental conditions it doesn't seem to be an issue. Simon even says as much in his review.

    Luminance over the screen may vary by up to 20%, but if you take a look, it's pretty uniform in its non-uniformity, with the uniformity actually being a gradient, extending outward in rings. I'll take this over other monitors whose luminance uniformity is in pits and spikes all over the screen. That said, what really matters is white-point uniformity, and the U2713H's is pretty darn excellent.

    This is an IPS, not a PLS panel, nor any other kind of panel. We've known this for how many years? And against what- the U2713HM? There's only a fraction difference. It's quite a bit better than its actual predecessor, the U2711.

    Input lag is 25ms, with the HM being 22ms. A 3ms difference is not really something to write home about. The U2711 was in the 30ms range, so it's a nice decrease in lag when compared to that.

    I can't vouch for other colorimeters, but the panel the U2713H uses is GB-LED. This isn't your standard LED implementation, nor is it the same as WCG-CCFL. Sometimes new tech requires newer tech.


    Sorry, but sometimes overblown FUD needs to be squashed...
     
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  32. undertaker2k8

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    @ gan7114, I agree with most of what you said. On a side note, noticed you have a Logitech G700: can you enable smooth scrolling in setpoint sw under pointer options and check for text ghosting while scrolling?

    I've also asked tftcentral to check for this. My mouse is a good old MX Revolution that is going strong after 3 + years.
     
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    U2913WM would be nice if it weren't 1080p vertically... that's just pathetic, less than my previous U2410, makes no sense to me.
     
  34. kamm

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    ^^^THIS.
     
  35. XTF

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    Good for you, but that doesn't mean it's not an issue for others...

    I'm also still waiting on Dell to give a technical reason for the high input lag.
     
  36. Filiprino

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    I have to comment on this:
    The backlight doesn't matter to the colorimeter. The model you have to use with U2713H is a colorimeter already in the market, it's not new.

    Maybe there's some way to fool the software and use a different colorimeter by changing the device ID like if you change a MAC address of your network card.

    To me it's not a downside because I have no colorimeter, but if I had one that would be a serious drawback.
     
  37. kamm

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    Huh? :eek:
     
  38. kamm

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    Obviously the same as with any more advanced display, a more complex signal processing chain.
     
  39. NCX

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    It does not have 25ms of input lag, pretty much all of TFT Central's input lag #'s are way off.
     
  40. Sailor_Moon

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    The blu is a key factor. No consumer colorimeter reaches the spectral curves of the CIE standard observer natively by its filters. Therefore a correction has to be carried out regarding the emitted spectrum. Fortunately the i1 Display Pro is based on a quite advantageous filter design supplemented by a correction system based on spectral characterizations (that even enables the possibility of changing the observer function). I think that X-Rite already has provided a generic correction for the IPS GB-r LED displays and the DELL software should (the U2713H is on the way to me so I can check this soon) make use of it at any rate.
     
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