Chimp Challenge 2009 thread

[Jathanis]

I think some strong words where said on both sides. Points where made on both sides.

That is done, and it needs to end now.

No more calling out, or yelling at each other. It will accomplish nothing. Any post after this that will fall under that I'll ask the mods to delete. I and others will not stand by and let this team bicker. Lets get back to the challenge for those who want to and leave the people who have chosen to fold for the [H] but not switch (or cannot switch because of borg location or any number of other reasons) alone. There is nothing wrong to ask them to join. It is wrong to pester them.

Now get back to kicking cancers ass instead of each others.

Please take the following as I intended it, an honest question for clarification and nothing more - in the spirit of teamwork, I will not reply to anything more in this thread about this, but do want to try and bring this issue up now for resolution:

Let's get one point clarified for current and future reference - Please explain where the line is with regards to mutterings about others not switching. What is considered good natured vs. pestering? We all agree that calling out individuals is completely wrong and over the line, but let's please clarify at what point comments like "Hey, why are there still 15 folders producing 43 bazillion points ahead of me that haven't switched over to teh CC!" go from friendly peer pressure to offending the thin-skinned... By nature, it's gonna happen, so let's address it once and for all. If the edict is Let's not allow those posts at all, then fine, that's great, but let's make sure everyone understands that in advance! And if we want to table this for now, that's fine too, but let's please revisit it before CC 2010!

And back on topic, my IS director gave me permission to borg 3-4 of our Pentium D's (3.4 GHz) at lunch in vacant cubicles in the name of the CC, so those should be good for a few thousand ppd each, right?

 

[tjmagneto]

I've got 2 Xeon 3.20 Ghz workstations within spitting distance from me at work that are hardly ever used. hmmmm

 

[BLUEFISH44]

Go for it just get permission.

 

[alan2308]

Please take the following as I intended it, an honest question for clarification and nothing more - in the spirit of teamwork, I will not reply to anything more in this thread about this, but do want to try and bring this issue up now for resolution:

Let's get one point clarified for current and future reference - Please explain where the line is with regards to mutterings about others not switching. What is considered good natured vs. pestering? We all agree that calling out individuals is completely wrong and over the line, but let's please clarify at what point comments like "Hey, why are there still 15 folders producing 43 bazillion points ahead of me that haven't switched over to teh CC!" go from friendly peer pressure to offending the thin-skinned... By nature, it's gonna happen, so let's address it once and for all. If the edict is Let's not allow those posts at all, then fine, that's great, but let's make sure everyone understands that in advance! And if we want to table this for now, that's fine too, but let's please revisit it before CC 2010!

And back on topic, my IS director gave me permission to borg 3-4 of our Pentium D's (3.4 GHz) at lunch in vacant cubicles in the name of the CC, so those should be good for a few thousand ppd each, right?

I'd vote for not allow them at all. At best, you're just pissing people off, at worst, you're driving people away. Hardly seems productive to me.

And good work on those borgs. I'm not sure what they'll produce, but it won't be trivial.

 

[10e]

Just added my MSI GTX 275 Twin Refrigerator OC'd to 750/1650.

I didn't even fold for the [H]orde but I like to posty posty here so why not.

So far this card's minimum PPD is 7088 and with those 511 point WUs, and maximum of 9500

 

[Axdrenalin]

...my IS director gave me permission to borg 3-4 of our Pentium D's (3.4 GHz) at lunch in vacant cubicles in the name of the CC, so those should be good for a few thousand ppd each, right?

Not sure if you're gonna get quite as many PPD out of it as you had hoped. I'm running the classic client on some similar machines at work, and it takes a day to process one WU. That WU is usually only worth about 200 points or so, if memory serves. They produce so little in terms of PPD that I usually just set it and forget it. But hey, if they're work PC's that are gonna be on anyways, might as well get a little something extra out of them, right?

Anyways, a few extra points is more for the project, so good job on getting them to let you borg a few more boxen!

 

[crazjayz]

Just added my MSI GTX 275 Twin Refrigerator OC'd to 750/1650.

I didn't even fold for the [H]orde but I like to posty posty here so why not.

So far this card's minimum PPD is 7088 and with those 511 point WUs, and maximum of 9500

Now those are some nice numbers. Maybe the 275 is the new 285 just $100 cheaper with lower power requirements

 

[tjmagneto]

Just added my MSI GTX 275 Twin Refrigerator OC'd to 750/1650.

I didn't even fold for the [H]orde but I like to posty posty here so why not.

So far this card's minimum PPD is 7088 and with those 511 point WUs, and maximum of 9500

Wowzers, those are impressive clocks and PPDs. I just might have to push mine a bit more. Are you running anything else besides the GPU client?

 

[Kendrak]

Just added my MSI GTX 275 Twin Refrigerator OC'd to 750/1650.

I didn't even fold for the [H]orde but I like to posty posty here so why not.

So far this card's minimum PPD is 7088 and with those 511 point WUs, and maximum of 9500

Wow, can someone else verify hitting those kind of #s with a 275?

Talk about turning it up to 11.

 

[Axdrenalin]

Wow, can someone else verify hitting those kind of #s with a 275?

Talk about turning it up to 11.

I've got a BFG GTX 275, but my OC is a little more moderate than his (700 core / 1152 Mem (stock) and 1556 Shaders). Right now I've got WU 5905 for 1888 pts, and it's showing my PPD at 7868 for the GPU. I'd have to double check with a 511, but I don't recall anything close in numbers here that high with my settings.

EDIT: I push it up to 750 core / 1667 shaders and that WU moves up to 7906 PPD instantly. I'll let it run a while like that and check back later.

Ax

 

[Kendrak]

I've got a BFG GTX 275, but my OC is a little more moderate than his (700 core / 1152 Mem (stock) and 1556 Shaders). Right now I've got WU 5905 for 1888 pts, and it's showing my PPD at 7868 for the GPU. I'd have to double check with a 511, but I don't recall anything close in numbers here that high with my settings.

EDIT: I push it up to 750 core / 1667 shaders and that WU moves up to 7906 PPD instantly. I'll let it run a while like that and check back later.

Ax

Wow, that is impressive for a cheap card.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

the 9500 PPD would be the fast test 311 point WU's.. which i can do almost 6500 PPD with my 8800GT.. but you rarely see those ones..

 

[tjmagneto]

I've got a BFG GTX 275, but my OC is a little more moderate than his (700 core / 1152 Mem (stock) and 1556 Shaders). Right now I've got WU 5905 for 1888 pts, and it's showing my PPD at 7868 for the GPU. I'd have to double check with a 511, but I don't recall anything close in numbers here that high with my settings.

EDIT: I push it up to 750 core / 1667 shaders and that WU moves up to 7906 PPD instantly. I'll let it run a while like that and check back later.

Ax

Kickin' it up a notch, eh? Hopefully our 275s won't go up in flames.

 

[lassiterb]

Just added my MSI GTX 275 Twin Refrigerator OC'd to 750/1650.

I didn't even fold for the [H]orde but I like to posty posty here so why not.

So far this card's minimum PPD is 7088 and with those 511 point WUs, and maximum of 9500

Running three of those in a system, it was 4 but 1 died. They aren't really made to be packed in that tightly next to each other. I'm having to move a serious amount of air across the cards to keep the temps down. Most times I check I am getting around 22K PPD from the three cards combined.

 

[crazjayz]

Capreppy has some 285 numbers that show almost the same thing (7500 for 511WU and 10500 on easier ones). Mind putting up your clocks capreppy just so that we can get a comparison between the 275 and 285. OC'ed they should had fairly the same way, but any difference between them at the same clocks would mean that memory actually plays a factor in F@H

 

[sirmonkey1985]

the memory plays a small factor.. anywhere from 50-150PPD depending on the clocks and type of memory...

 

[Axdrenalin]

Kickin' it up a notch, eh? Hopefully our 275s won't go up in flames.

Just a bit - I got back from watching Star Trek a few minutes ago to find my video locked up, so I've got it back on 700 core for the night. Guess I need to vent it a little bit better to get good results at 750. Might try it again sometime when I'm around and can watch the temps better...

 

[404 - File not found]

Now at 11800 monkey points thanks to "a2" projects

 

[psyshack]

I don't know why I'm not posting point for today. Only 511 points for a 21k ppd setup!! I'm not eue'ing. WTF is going on?!?!?

I just don't get it. I'm about to shut things down. If this does not change Sat. I'm shutting down.

 

[Kendrak]

I don't know why I'm not posting point for today. Only 511 points for a 21k ppd setup!! I'm not eue'ing. WTF is going on?!?!?

I just don't get it. I'm about to shut things down. If this does not change Sat. I'm shutting down.

More info please?

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Now at 11800 monkey points thanks to "a2" projects

wow 2870 PPD.. holy crap.. your doing the same PPD i am and im using a phenom II 940 @ 3.5ghz using 2 vm's w/ 2 cores each.. 2850PPD per vm.. this is just depressing now.. but im beating you by a long shot with my 8800GT vs your 8800GT

 

[10e]

Wow, can someone else verify hitting those kind of #s with a 275?


Talk about turning it up to 11.

The final clock I have is 750/1662/1200 right now. I think I'm pretty lucky with this particular board, but the MSI twin fan cooling is good and quiet helping the cause. It's also in an open case, so we'll see what happens when it gets shut.

I know I shouldn't be "verifying" my own numbers, kinda like witnessing my own contract signing, but here is what FaHmon shows today:

Project : 5767
Core : GPUv2 Gromacs
Frames : 100
Credit : 353


-- UGLY-01_GPU2_02 --

Min. Time / Frame : 31s - 9838.45 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 31s - 9838.45 ppd
Cur. Time / Frame : 31s - 9838.45 ppd
R3F. Time / Frame : 31s - 9838.45 ppd
Eff. Time / Frame : 31s - 9838.45 ppd

Fahspy showed 9500 but that's fine.

And here's one of those 511 point WUs:

Project : 5755
Core : GPUv2 Gromacs
Frames : 100
Credit : 511

-- UGLY-01_GPU2_02 --

Min. Time / Frame : 1mn 02s - 7121.03 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 1mn 02s - 7121.03 ppd
No Cur. Time / Frame
No R3F. Time / Frame
No Eff. Time / Frame

Fahspy showed 7008 here.

 

[psyshack]

More info please?

I'm folding for the Apes and nothing. It all started out fine on the 5th when I changed over. I had a issue with the 260's in one machine. Folded those under my normal user name to make sure every thing was ok for a day then switched them back over. Then I notice I'm not posting any points to [H]ardApe. And am still not posting points.I'm folding for [H]ardApe (33). No eue's, just good solid folding.

I don't get it.

 

[APOLLO]

I'm folding for the Apes and nothing. It all started out fine on the 5th when I changed over. I had a issue with the 260's in one machine. Folded those under my normal user name to make sure every thing was ok for a day then switched them back over. Then I notice I'm not posting any points to [H]ardApe. And am still not posting points.I'm folding for [H]ardApe (33). No eue's, just good solid folding.

I don't get it.

I have to agree with Kendak, I'm not sure what issue if anything you are experiencing. Everyone that folds for the CC will only see a drop in their personal production. That's it. There's no individual tally of points for personal CC contribution counted anywhere that I'm aware of. Where was it that you were expecting to see your personal contribution for [H]ardApe?

 

[tjmagneto]

10e and Ax: I maxed out at 747/1660/1184 before I got a NAN, so I dialed it back a few ticks.

Despite that minor setback check this out:

 

[lodingi]

Ok. What am I doing wrong? My 4850X2 is getting 1928 PPD on core 1 & 2288 PPD on core 2. By comparison my 8800GT is getting 4200 PPD on its own.

Also my mighty Q6600 @ 3.4 is only getting 454 PPD.

Um.....HELP!!

 

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Ok. What am I doing wrong? My 4850X2 is getting 1928 PPD on core 1 & 2288 PPD on core 2. By comparison my 8800GT is getting 4200 PPD on its own.

Also my mighty Q6600 @ 3.4 is only getting 454 PPD.

Um.....HELP!!

I'm not sure, but those numbers look normal for 4850x2.

For the Q6600 you should install 2 Virtual Machines running notfred's SMP and that should help. http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1033985823&postcount=19

 

[tjmagneto]

+1 with what 404 says. NotFred's been working out nicely for me.

On a side note the ATI card is going to use some CPU power, I had a 4850 512 GB card and saw about 13% CPU utilization by the video card and usually got 2800-3000 ppd from the card alone. I don't think the CPU utilization fully explains your situation though. Your CPU ought to be kicking butt regardless.

EDIT: Just had a thought, which client are you using? If it is the SMP client, make sure the -SMP flag is set. I can get 2800 ppd from one Windows 6.23 MPICH SMP client running under Vista 64 while my GTX 275 is running. My CPU was OC'd to 3.2 Ghz at the time.

 

[tjmagneto]

Holy Crap! I just downloaded project 5102 for 3340 points for one of my notfred VMs.

 

[10e]

10e and Ax: I maxed out at 747/1660/1184 before I got a NAN, so I dialed it back a few ticks.

Despite that minor setback check this out:

That is sweet. That's better than I get on my GTX 280 OC'd and GTX 295s OC'd.

Ok. What am I doing wrong? My 4850X2 is getting 1928 PPD on core 1 & 2288 PPD on core 2. By comparison my 8800GT is getting 4200 PPD on its own.

Also my mighty Q6600 @ 3.4 is only getting 454 PPD.

Um.....HELP!!

One thing I noticed with ATI cards, is that if the two cores are folding different "series" of work units, both will slow down. I exclusively use the "console" version for GPU2 client so I can't comment for the systray version, but I have a couple of 4850 1GB cards and when they fold the same series of unit they fold a fair bit faster than if they fold different units.

So take a look and see, if one is folding a 511 or 477 point WU, and the other a different one. Try pausing one of the clients and see if the other goes faster, as that is a telltale sign.

Additionally take a look at the "core version" you are running. 1.24 is the latest, but also needs some manual tweaking to get best performance. There is an appropriate thread on the foldingforum.org for this. They also talk about using different switches/environment variables to minimize CPU resources to get that CPU client faster.

 

[lodingi]

Hey thanks for responding. I am new to folding so I'm not too familiar with the proper setup. I know I am using the console version for both gpu cores. I am also using the smp console for my cpu.

 

[tjmagneto]

Check out this thread on the FAH forum. It might be of some help : http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=9860

 

[sirmonkey1985]

ok i quit using the SMP/VM clients.. ive lost over 8000 points in the last 3 days.. fed up with that crap.. to much work to take care of them.. and i can use my cpu for better things.. ill keep the gpu client going though..

 

[jimbowdang]

Holy Crap! I just downloaded project 5102 for 3340 points for one of my notfred VMs.

Wow, what kind of PPD are you getting off that WU?

ok i quit using the SMP/VM clients.. ive lost over 8000 points in the last 3 days.. fed up with that crap.. to much work to take care of them.. and i can use my cpu for better things.. ill keep the gpu client going though..

How did you lose all those points? Did the clients hang after completing a unit?

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Wow, what kind of PPD are you getting off that WU?



How did you lose all those points? Did the clients hang after completing a unit?

yup.. the client would get stuck trying to send the WU.. tried everything to get to send.. nothing worked.. and if i restarted the client it would claim that it was corrupt and start a whole new one.. and it was giving error while i was working on the WU though it never stopped working on it.. vmware deletes the logs everytime you stop it so i cant really tell you what it was..

 

[APOLLO]

yup.. the client would get stuck trying to send the WU.. tried everything to get to send.. nothing worked.. and if i restarted the client it would claim that it was corrupt and start a whole new one.. and it was giving error while i was working on the WU though it never stopped working on it..

Did you use the new beta client or the older one? Reason I ask is due to the problems I was receiving with the older client that caused stalls when uploading. It used to happen a lot with the older client version.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Did you use the new beta client or the older one? Reason I ask is due to the problems I was receiving with the older client that caused stalls when uploading. It used to happen a lot with the older client version.

i have no clue.. what ever was on the notfred site.. that was posted in capreppy's guide..

 

[APOLLO]

i have no clue.. what ever was on the notfred site.. that was posted in capreppy's guide..

There's a big difference and don't recommend anyone to use anything other than the beta, which does away with the issue of the hanging uploads.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

There's a big difference and don't recommend anyone to use anything other than the beta, which does away with the issue of the hanging uploads.

thanks for the recommendation.. only a week late and a dollar short..

maybe some one should have capreppy update the guide then if its the wrong client hes linking to..

but im already back to running boinc on my cpu..

 

[APOLLO]

thanks for the recommendation.. only a week late and a dollar short..

I had mentioned it recently in another thread but I well understand we can't read every post and every thread. Anyway, I was only trying to be helpful.