Aqua Computer or Dtek

[Top Nurse]

There is a way to blend parts from several different manufactures and get great results. Doesn't mean it has to be 1/2" based....

Again, you won't address the question but that is fine. Your like a broken record man (Ranker)... Look at all your posts and they are the same.

QFT

 

[Top Nurse]

Another thing is that if AC is sooooooooo bad, expensive etc why do so many people buy it? If you want to know the facts we are the largest buyer of EK blocks in the UK and we have still sold more Aqua-Computer 8800GTX's then EK 8800GTX's and that is a FACT. Another FACT is these companies are still here because people like and buy there products so no amount of kicking and screaming by you is going to stop the blocks selling and this is the same with all the ½” – please just deal with it

QFT

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Ranker - do us all a favour get Sharka on the phone and buy an AC kit, then actually have some experience of it and test your self.

Then come back to the thread an offer your experiences, test results and pros and cons.

Also if we are "Fan Boys" (and Girls ) I suppose that makes you a "Size Queen" then. Im pretty sure you don’t like the idea of being called that so stop calling anyone who show the smallest interest in AC a "Fan Boy"

Another thing is that if AC is sooooooooo bad, expensive etc why do so many people buy it? If you want to know the facts we are the largest buyer of EK blocks in the UK and we have still sold more Aqua-Computer 8800GTX's then EK 8800GTX's and that is a FACT. Another FACT is these companies are still here because people like and buy there products so no amount of kicking and screaming by you is going to stop the blocks selling and this is the same with all the ½” – please just deal with it

If you would like to show more of a mature interest in getting some real feed back / test results you will be glad to know that Aqua-Pc's is in the process of sending one of every water cooling kit we stock including AC, D-tek, EK, Flow ETC for a feature in a national magazine and review on an international review website to prove what kit is better for what purpose.

</FLAME>

Good post Aqua but will do no good. He has bought into five year old graphs from ProCooling and all the "theory" behind watercooling. To him if it doesn't have the lowest temp (even by .5c), it isn't good; even though it doesn't make the computer process 1's and 0's any faster. I can count the number of members on this forum that is important too versus good cooling while being silent.

Just take note of his consistant posts of buying the same products from the SAME website. I'd almost say he is a sales rep for petra's website but that would be doing Petra a discredit. Also the way he constantly refers people to XS makes me even more leary of his true knowledge besides what he reads (this isn't a slam at XS forum, been a member since 2002, but XS is more about 3dmark, extreme overclocking, super PI, and phase change than watercooling). Now take a look at his member dates on both forums and it tells even a more compeling story.

We have seen the likes of Ranker on this forum and they either end up banned or go away quitely.

 

[Top Nurse]

I'm addressing a claim you're making based upon this critically, fundamentally flawed assumption. If your assumption is grossly flawed, then your whole argument bears no merit. Even if you're misguided assumption were to be correct, Erasmus, ikellensbro, Arcygenical and others have addressed it and proven your claim to be wrong.

Let's see here. If a group of vocal people claim something to be right then the others are obviously wrong: The world is flat, man will never fly, man will never step foot on the moon, etc... See where all this goes?

The one thing you all fail to acknowledge is that the original AC users a few years back were all originally high flow users as that was the only game in town. For whatever reason they decided to try another idea. I can think of a few who went back to the big is better philosophy. In most cases they did it just to try something new and have reported no significant gains in the ability to use their computers. Please respond to this

How often do you see AC stuff up for sale that sits in the For Sale forum for any length of time? Most AC stuff disappears in a few hours. I Wonder why? Please respond to this

 

[Aqua-Pcs]

Right lets start with this little gem you have brought up here:

That may be true for you. But over here in the states, you can't even find any in stock at all because they sell out within a day or two. Even bulk orders of 50 EK FC blocks sent to various stores like Petras or Jab-tech will sell out immediately. Eddie has even admitted publicly towards having difficulty keeping stock of his blocks at US resellers as they sell out so quickly. It's come to the point where you prey on those desperate enough over on XS forums to pay that extra "surcharge" you like to tack on to ship over to the US. 40 pound quote to ship to the US and you can only say it will get there in 1-2 weeks?

For start, guess how long AC stuff on bulk order lasts at Sharka - answer not very long, so what’s your point?

Also you should really get your facts straight about the "Extra surcharge" a EK 8800GTX Acetal weights exactly 810g in a cardboard box with packing. This is sent via Royal mail here check it out:

I charge £15 to get 1 x EK 8800GTX to the USA (from 4 days not two weeks) which means i make a loss of 0.12p sending it to the USA so please get your facts straight Here's a link maybe i can send you some AC ill have the Cuplex DI's next week maybe you can have the first one?

I have no problems with people buying AC blocks. I do have a problem with the fanboyism that states AC is the best, "2-3C doesn't matter", using ALU is ok, etc and using such FUD to recommend it to others who are seeking objective advice.

Well if there are all these "Fan boys" that means that they all own and like the products. They are happy with them and will recommend them just like you and the brands that we have been constantly battered with in practically every thread on all the computer related forums on the net. TBH im actually thinking you 1) have a large share in these companies (2 I should hire you to be a hype monkey as you seem to enjoy it.

I'm sure that there will be no bias for the reviewer given the points that you're supplying them products for free of charge and that you admit towards pushing AC products as your main source of livelihood.

Umm the reviewer wouldn’t be very good then and we wouldn't use them as its there job to be unbiased and btw all the goods are returned after testing so there is no "perks" to aid there decision plus im sending 1/2" kits to..... As for my livelihood its selling components from all brands funnily enough I tend to buy the products that sell not just AC

 

[Ranker]

Also you should really get your facts straight about the "Extra surcharge" a EK 8800GTX Acetal weights exactly 810g in a cardboard box with packing. This is sent via Royal mail here check it out:

I charge £15 to get 1 x EK 8800GTX to the USA (from 4 days not two weeks) which means i make a loss of 0.12p sending it to the USA so please get your facts straight Here's a link maybe i can send you some AC ill have the Cuplex DI's next week maybe you can have the first one?

I was quoted 40 pounds for a pair of 8800GTX EK blocks by Pascal of your company (whomever that may be, you possibly?) as an associate of mine needed his computer up by mid June. A friend of mine over on XS couldn't wait and purchased from you as well. He was quoted and charged 30 pounds for 1 EK 8800GTX to be sent to the US.

 

[Top Nurse]

I believe Erasmus and Ikellensbro succinctly answered the "you never bought it, so you can't say anything about it" mantra that's being repeated over and over again. From available data, user experience, and even company representatives stating that AC products will not achieve the same temps as a PA/Laing/D-Tek combo. Therefore one can't recommend those products based upon performance alone nor in the price/performance category.

But aren't you the man with all the moula? Don't you buy lots of water cooling components just for the fun of it? Aren't you a collector of water cooling gear? Since AC gear has a high premium, even used, it shouldn't cost you much at all. Hell you won't even have to pay any shipping charges as you can just get in your car and be there in less than 15 minutes! IOW, STFU and put your money where your mouth is.

My personal reasoning for not being able to recommend AC products has less to do with the size tubing used, but more so with its overpriced nature, it's use of Alu on some its blocks, and the lack of performance when compared to something that can be purchased for less money.

All imported stuff is higher priced due to one reason or another. Most often it has to do with currency exchange rates (blame Bush), transportation expenses (blame Bush), and of course a need to make a profit that will allow your company to grow.

So just what size tubing do you think most AC users use? 6mm, 8mm, or 10mm ID? I know what Wes at Sharka tells me what they buy the most of, do you?

That may be true for you. But over here in the states, you can't even find any in stock at all because they sell out within a day or two. Even bulk orders of 50 EK FC blocks sent to various stores like Petras or Jab-tech will sell out immediately. Eddie has even admitted publicly towards having difficulty keeping stock of his blocks at US resellers as they sell out so quickly.

Same thing happens here on new AC products, though it has changed a bit since we have a real company importing AC products. Perhaps when you can walk in to the Micro Center to buy AC goods you will be happier? It may happen sooner than you think.

I have no problems with people buying AC blocks. I do have a problem with the fanboyism that states AC is the best, "2-3C doesn't matter", using ALU is ok, etc and using such FUD to recommend it to others who are seeking objective advice.

Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black once again...

I'm sure that there will be no bias for the reviewer given the points that you're supplying them products for free of charge and that you admit towards pushing AC products as your main source of livelihood.

More FUD? Slame slammed you about this earlier and I didn't see you coughing and spitting so now that the shoe is on the other foot it is okay?

 

[Top Nurse]

We have seen the likes of Ranker on this forum and they either end up banned or go away quitely.

QFT

 

[Top Nurse]

I was quoted 40 pounds for a pair of 8800GTX EK blocks by Pascal of your company (whomever that may be, you possibly?) as an associate of mine needed his computer up by mid June. A friend of mine over on XS couldn't wait and purchased from you as well. He was quoted and charged 30 pounds for 1 EK 8800GTX to be sent to the US.

And when did you tell them you wanted it? Royal Mail is only good up to a very small weight limit. After that the weight factor equates to DSL, UPS, or FedEx.

 

[Aqua-Pcs]

look who's playing the fool again

He just cant let it go...

 

[Bio-Hazard]

If you would like to show more of a mature interest in getting some real feed back / test results you will be glad to know that Aqua-Pc's is in the process of sending one of every water cooling kit we stock including AC, D-tek, EK, Flow ETC for a feature in a national magazine and review on an international review website to prove what kit is better for what purpose.

Robo Tech at System Cooling/Pc Perspective has already reviewed the AC kit and he was at the time one of the top water cooling reviewers around. AC didn't stand up all that well to the competition..............

Hell, a Cooler Master Aquagate Mini 120 beat out the AC system............

As you can see, many of the tested units costing almost 1/4 of the price meet or beat the AC kit................ And that was on a cool running A64 system, I'd hate to see how bad it would get trashed on a OC'd C2D.

 

[Aqua-Pcs]

LOL - cool will be good to see the new reviews and see if AC have improved then

 

[Bio-Hazard]

That review was only done a year ago, not much in terms of performance has changed........

Now if you could only get someone like Lee (Robo Tech) to review your stuff again it would be interesting. But last I heard he took a break from the water cool world (to much crap from vendors) although he is still reviewing at PC Perspective last time I checked.

 

[Aqua-Pcs]

yep thats the idea get a good reviewer to tell it like it is.

 

[Top Nurse]

Robo Tech at System Cooling/Pc Perspective has already reviewed the AC kit and he was at the time one of the top water cooling reviewers around. AC didn't stand up all that well to the competition..............

Hell, a Cooler Master Aquagate Mini 120 beat out the AC system............

As you can see, many of the tested units costing almost 1/4 of the price meet or beat the AC kit................ And that was on a cool running A64 system, I'd hate to see how bad it would get trashed on a OC'd C2D.

Since we all discussed this "review" quite a while back we did come to some conclusions:

• The review didn't take into account the way most all users of AC use the product.
• Their test setup was flawed as they introduced some different variables into the equation as their test bed was setup for high flow. Probably the reason they didn't do a comparison with other water cooling gear.
• They didn't explain the real uses of the Aquastream controller even though they were given full instructions in it's use.

And of course the real question is why they never compared all the high flow blocks with air cooling. Maybe their is a reason, like maybe it showed the same thing as the AC results? Who knows as the person who did the review moved on.

 

[R1ckCa1n]

That review was only done a year ago, not much in terms of performance has changed........

Now if you could only get someone like Lee (Robo Tech) to review your stuff again it would be interesting. But last I heard he took a break from the water cool world (to much crap from vendors) although he is still reviewing at PC Perspective last time I checked.

Yes, the one good thing about Lee is he doesn't charge a fortune + the gear for a review. Next time Sharka will sent the right kit to him.

look who's playing the fool again

He just cant let it go...

Ahhhh the real maturity level is coming out..........

 

[Ranker]

Robo Tech at System Cooling/Pc Perspective has already reviewed the AC kit and he was at the time one of the top water cooling reviewers around. AC didn't stand up all that well to the competition..............

Hell, a Cooler Master Aquagate Mini 120 beat out the AC system............

As you can see, many of the tested units costing almost 1/4 of the price meet or beat the AC kit................ And that was on a cool running A64 system, I'd hate to see how bad it would get trashed on a OC'd C2D.

Priceless. Now let the excuses rain forth from the AC Mafia.

 

[Aqua-Pcs]

no this ones the classic...

looky

 

[Ranker]

no this ones the classic...

looky

It's one thing for a normal member to get involved in a lively debate. But it's definitely something else when you're a reseller posting in a thread like this. I'm sure those on the border line of doing business with you will feel quite at ease knowing you'll get involved like this over a specific brand of products.

 

[Bio-Hazard]

Since we all discussed this "review" quite a while back we did come to some conclusions:

• The review didn't take into account the way most all users of AC use the product.
• Their test setup was flawed as they introduced some different variables into the equation as their test bed was setup for high flow. Probably the reason they didn't do a comparison with other water cooling gear.
• They didn't explain the real uses of the Aquastream controller even though they were given full instructions in it's use.

And of course the real question is why they never compared all the high flow blocks with air cooling. Maybe their is a reason, like maybe it showed the same thing as the AC results? Who knows as the person who did the review moved on.

I could really give a crap less what he included or did not include in the review, but he did include what he thought were in about the same performance arena..........and AC didn't perform............ It makes me no differance these days as I'm not reviewing anymore and buying my own parts. As I've said a long time ago, I have had AC gear and was totally un-impressed with it to the point that I gave it away and will not be putting out my hard earned money for it again, plain and simple.
Basicly the system I now have in my rig is from my own pocket and the reason for getting each and every component was a result of review compoments over the past 4 years or more. There's just no way that a low flow will/can match the overall raw cooling performance of a well thoughtout high flow system. Now if you're looking to spend a mothly house payment on all the pretty parts, that's everyone free choice, but for my money, I'd rather put my money where the rubber meets the road. I could careless if I have to reach over 2 feet and turn a rheostat to quiet down a few fans or any of the other (what I concider useless) options. See, that's what's so great about the free world, everyone has the option of buying and useing what they like and the assortment of parts is out there, so pick and choose to your hearts content, but don't mislead others, just give them the raw data and let them make a informed purchase, after all, what's good for you may not be good for them.

 

[Aqua-Pcs]

yawn - keep trying

 

[NickS]

AquaComputer sucks, period. D-Tek if you want a real watercooling setup. Not some pansy ass setup with tubing the size of a DVI cable.

 

[Ranker]

... with tubing the size of a DVI cable.

I laughed..hard.. ROFL

 

[NickS]

I laughed..hard.. ROFL

I'm glad you found the cold hard truth hilarious

 

[R1ckCa1n]

AquaComputer sucks, period. D-Tek if you want a real watercooling setup. Not some pansy ass setup with tubing the size of a DVI cable.

How about this? LOL And to think I'm getting a better overclock than you with less voltage....... Damn DVI cable does pretty good.

 

[Arcygenical]

AquaComputer sucks, period. D-Tek if you want a real watercooling setup. Not some pansy ass setup with tubing the size of a DVI cable.

You've... never owned an AC product have you?

They're not pansy assed, the're not THAT far behind the competition yknow.They don't win pure performance, but they're sure as hell better than air... I just wish the prices were more reasonable.

By the way Nick, it's comments like this that get you warned, banned, or ruin your credibility. Netiquette is a skill, one I'd suggest you learn. The DVI cable comment did make me lol though.

 

[Bio-Hazard]

How about this? LOL And to think I'm getting a better overclock than you with less voltage....... Damn DVI cable does pretty good.

Last I heard how good or bad and how much voltage you need for a OC is pretty much depepnant on your MoBo, MoBo Bios, memory and quality of the chip OC'd. Just a thought on my part though.

Sort of like my little 100&#37; OC on my cheap-assed rig................

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Last I heard how good or bad and how much voltage you need for a OC is pretty much depepnant on your MoBo, MoBo Bios, memory and quality of the chip OC'd. Just a thought on my part though.

BINGO!

But hey, it's all about 1/2" to get good overclocks hence my comment about DVI cable being pretty good for overclocking.


btw: flashy block you have!
also good to see cube cases making a come back; I remember my first YY cube case 6 years ago. So much room!

 

[Top Nurse]

So you do not own any AC LCD's, which use CF LCD's? And before you attempt to correct me, yes, the VFD's are made by Noritake. Just ask TN, if you do not believe me.

The LCD displays are not the problem. It is the CF software and hardware that supports the display that is problematic.

LCD = Crystal Fontz

VFD = Noritake

 

[Top Nurse]

no this ones the classic...

looky

Wow! I got flamed on a board that I don't even have an account on. I must be famous.

The one thing I did notice is that the Wanker just appeared out of nowhere (there and here) claiming to have all this long standing cooling knowledge. Did you just do your "research" by reading what others researched or have you really done "research"? Or did you get banned all over the place and decided to come back under a new alias? Something inclines me to believe in the latter...

 

[Bio-Hazard]

Wow! I got flamed on a board that I don't even have an account on. I must be famous.

The one thing I did notice is that the Wanker just appeared out of nowhere (there and here) claiming to have all this long standing cooling knowledge. Did you just do your "research" by reading what others researched or have you really done "research"? Or did you get banned all over the place and decided to come back under a new alias? Something inclines me to believe in the latter...

I wouldn't call it famous, but it's not for me to say, I really don't know you all that well, and besides, it's not nice to speak ill of others..........................

 

[R1ckCa1n]

I wouldn't call it famous, but it's not for me to say, I really don't know you all that well, and besides, it's not nice to speak ill of others..........................

You gotta admit a guy with 3-4 months of watercooling experience (based on his membership dates on this forum and XS) sporting a signature file straight from Maximum PC's dream PC list is a wee bit curious.

 

[Top Nurse]

Gotta admit, AC does have the control-crown though. Nothing compares to the Aquaero... It'll probably be my next upgrade if the LCD comes in red.

It does come in a red LCD now. However, if you get the VFD version you can have just about any color you want whenever you want.

 

[Bio-Hazard]

You gotta admit a guy with 3-4 months of watercooling experience (based on his membership dates on this forum and XS) sporting a signature file straight from Maximum PC's dream PC list is a wee bit curious.

Like I said, it's not for me to question/judge anyone, I'm also a fairly new member over there, but I have known many of their members for many many years. He could have been a member somewhere else for years and years, you never really know, sort of like me, I use several different screen names depending on where I'm going and what sort of info I'm looking for............

 

[Top Nurse]

I've a few gripes with it though. Every block I've bought I've had to lap until it's flat. Nobody talks about it, so I don't get to hear anything about it.

We have definitely talked about this in the AC threads. When I mentioned what Swiftech holds their blocks to on the AC Forum they thought I was pulling their leg. Have to keep in mind that they don't do a hell of a lot of aerospace work in Germany so I suppose the machinery to do this isn't really available where they produce AC blocks. Either that or they think the AS5 will correct any errors.

 

[z3r0-]

How about this? LOL And to think I'm getting a better overclock than you with less voltage....... Damn DVI cable does pretty good.

You run 3.5, I run 3825. I have the same CPU (xeon branded, but same chip basically) with the same block. You don't have a good OC. Want to argue that my xeon is a better bin? I had an inferior week E6600 with an inferior block (aquaxtreme mp05) at 3.75. Plus the base of that block was lapped extremely poorly and looked like someone dragged it across the sidewalk.

My AUDIO SETUPS INTERCONNECTS are thicker than your tubes.

Ouch...

Tests show that bigger tubing = better performance. Tests show that dtek, swiftech, dangerden, you name it outperforms aquacomputer, thermaltake, koolance, etc. Considering aquacomputer stuff isn't exactly cheaper, WHY PAY THE SAME FOR LESS? It's like going to wendys and paying 5 dollars for a jr bacon cheese burger when you can have a double bacon cheese burger meal super sized for the same 5 dollars (let's assume fast food isn't bad for you in this analogy, just so some vegan nutcase doesn't get on my ass about that)

 

[NickS]

He only runs 3.5? Hell, I run 3.5 24/7 on my crappy E6300 with an old Swiftech MCW6002.

Sigh...

 

[Top Nurse]

Last I heard how good or bad and how much voltage you need for a OC is pretty much depepnant on your MoBo, MoBo Bios, memory and quality of the chip OC'd. Just a thought on my part though.

QFT

 

[JC634]

It is the CF software and hardware that supports the display that is problematic.

I am sorry to have brought your name into this. I was simply trying to make a point that he would Never again have a CF display. Seems AC has better faith in CF than R1ckCa1n.

Nice of you to put words in his mouth, tho.

As I recently posted in another thread here, one should NEVER say things like NEVER or ALWAYs or similar such words.

I remember way back on on about page 5 of this thread, I made a statement about this thread providing entertainment. That ended on about page 6 as the personal attacks have only escalated (on both sides) and the amount of any real information being provided to the OP has become nil.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! This is not "lively" discussion, this has become a personal attack thread.

And yes, the OP was correct, this thread should be locked.

 

[Top Nurse]

For those who wondered about my cryptic comment concerning the Aquaero VFD display I suggest you follow this link:

http://www.noritake-elec.com/colors.htm