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$2500 5090 I’m out

Lol I like the title of the thread I'm out.. when over 60% of folks here will grab the 5090 FE if given the chance tomorrow.
 
Logic required for now (for existing 4090 owners):

My 4090 performance is complete utter crapola. Gross. What was I thinking? (goes and buys a 5090)
 
Looking at how much working 4090 goes for on ebay this week, easy to understand the urge to update their owner can have if they encounter a $2000 5090, sell the 4090 for $1800....

What will be lacking will be the effort-trouble needed to encounter a $2000 5090 more than the money.
 
Zorachus said:
Look at Doom Dark Ages, that game will look better and actually perform way smoother and be easier on your system than Cyberpunk.
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won't that be using Vulkan?...that's the most GPU friendly API...Alan Wake 2 is probably the best way to test full ray tracing in 2025
 
Zorachus said:
Why is CP77 the main game people keep referencing for benchmarks with the 5090? It's a 5 year old game, that people have played already. I'm not tempted to buy a 5090 just so I can play one old game at ultra settings.

Look at Doom Dark Ages, that game will look better and actually perform way smoother and be easier on your system than Cyberpunk.
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why did people refer to crysis for 15+ years and now its back with VR?
 
Zorachus said:
LOL WTF only a special kind of stupid would pay a penny more than MSRP let alone triple the price for a video card. It's just a PC component, not a kidney.
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Someone with FU money or someone with a compulsive spending addiction.
 
DooKey said:
Someone with FU money or someone with a compulsive spending addiction.
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I could almost understand some millionaire who has $7,000 to blow on a video card doing this, if it was 75% to 100% faster than a 4090, which would be immediately noticeable in your computer.

But realistically going from a 4090 to a 5090 you'd prob be hard pressed to even notice without benchmarks running.
 
I am not sure what the twitch economy look like, but a single person paid $6000 from all we know, could a rich person just for fun.

Could be a streamer for who the content of having a 5090 for 96 hours before it is common in the gaming stream can bring enough eye ball to be worth it and for who it is a business expense and nothing irrational about it, we are trying to come up about reason for what a single person did... it could be quite specific, does not require some phenomenon behind it. Would it not be of the 13% ebay tax it could even be scalper buying among themselve trying to set some high price talk on social media.
 
Zorachus said:
I could almost understand some millionaire who has $7,000 to blow on a video card doing this, if it was 75% to 100% faster than a 4090, which would be immediately noticeable in your computer.

But realistically going from a 4090 to a 5090 you'd prob be hard pressed to even notice without benchmarks running.
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What cracks me up is people who game at 1440p and are already well over 150-200fps max settings, then turn on DLSS and frame gen to get even more fps, only to limit the fps to 120 or so. It makes absolutely no sense.
 
Damn the last time I splurge on a GPU was back in 2017. Went to Best Buy and grabbed a GTX 1080 FE for $499. Held onto it until I sold my entire setup in 2022. No interest in gaming since then. But I’ve had the itch to rebuild a gaming PC with all these new CPUs and GPUs that’s been coming out. Maybe I’ll hold out for a few more years 🤪.

Old PC:
AMD 3800x
16GB DDR4
MSI B350 Tomahawk
HP Omen 27” 1440p 165hz GSYNC
 
The hard cold facts are this;

The RTX-5090 is 25% to 35% faster in raw performance over the RTX-4090. So it's an approx. 30% faster card than previous gen. The biggest gains being at 4k resolution. FACT. And a 5090 over a 3090 is a HUGE performance gain, potentially 80% to 100% improvement.

So now it's just up to each person's own opinion if that performance gain is worth the money. Some will say, hell yeah I'll take 30% more frames in 4k gaming from my 4090, and even lots more fps from a 3090. Others will say heck no, not for that price.

This is where were at. End of story.
 
Zorachus said:
The hard cold facts are this;

The RTX-5090 is 25% to 35% faster in raw performance over the RTX-4090. So it's an approx. 30% faster card than previous gen. The biggest gains being at 4k resolution. FACT. And a 5090 over a 3090 is a HUGE performance gain, potentially 80% to 100% improvement.

So now it's just up to each person's own opinion if that performance gain is worth the money. Some will say, hell yeah I'll take 30% more frames in 4k gaming from my 4090, and even lots more fps from a 3090. Others will say heck no, not for that price.

This is where were at. End of story.
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So I guess we can all stop posting about this topic now, right? 😀
 
Since you are literally paying for the performance increase (more than paying for it) on the 5090 it makes the MSRP even more of a hard stop. There's no additional value. All additional performance and features are being paid for right on top of the previous generation 4090.

I'm also very curious if scalping will even work with these. Likely initially especially on the first batch, but maybe not for long.

The 5080 is in the same boat. It may have some shiny new features, but the performance is in the same range as the 4080 Super was at $999. It is slightly faster, but only slightly. People on 4080 and 4080 Super cards aren't going to buy. So what value is there to scalp other than it being a new model? It's maybe 15% faster than the 4080 super in raw performance. That's nothing that would give it a bunch of intrinsic value above the $999 the 4080 Super was selling for.

For that matter, what value is there really for any card beyond MSRP with the 5080 or 5090 from the board partners? +$100? +$200? More? For what exactly other than RGB? There really isn't any. Are they actually going to have notably higher clock speed? I think no way. And I doubt their cooling solutions will be enough better at twice the size to be called a "feature."

So unlike previous gens, what is the real hook to make people frenzied enough to want to pay beyond the MSRP?

First week first shipment hype especially since the previous gen cards have been off the shelves for a couple of weeks. But then what? Will this really continue for months or a year? Based on what? Only if Nvidia creates massive artificial scarcity and that will cause massive anger and backlash if it goes on for very long.
 
Seems people are selling their full systems including a RTX 4090 for the price of a new 5090. Some even include the 7800X3D or 7950X3D. At least here locally.
 
Here's a question for everyone to consider:

The GB202 die is huge, I'd expect only 50% of chips on a wafer can be fully enabled chips and these go off to expensive server farms.
The rest then get binned, the best of them getting made into 5090s. 5080 uses a different chip, the GB203.

So where do all the GB202 chips go that didn't make it as a 5090?

Do you honestly think Nvidia is going to literally bin them? They WILL get sold, so the question really is then, in what form?

5080ti coming August 2025! You heard it here first! :cool:
 
spine said:
So where do all the GB202 chips go that didn't make it as a 5090?
Do you honestly think Nvidia is going to literally bin them? They WILL get sold, so the question really is then, in what form?
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Some will make it to 5090D - more cut down version sold in China.
 
spine said:
Here's a question for everyone to consider:

The GB202 die is huge, I'd expect only 50% of chips on a wafer can be fully enabled chips and these go off to expensive server farms.
The rest then get binned, the best of them getting made into 5090s. 5080 uses a different chip, the GB203.

So where do all the GB202 chips go that didn't make it as a 5090?

Do you honestly think Nvidia is going to literally bin them? They WILL get sold, so the question really is then, in what form?

5080ti coming August 2025! You heard it here first! :cool:
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I'm sure they will get sold and even find their way into lower tier cards just like the AD 102 from the RTX 4090 found it's way into RTX 4080 and RTX 4080 Supers. There is nothing wrong with them binning and selling partially disabled dies that do meet the specification of the next card down the stack that's just good business and not wasting materials.

As for your RTX 5080 Ti theory it sounds plausible just in the same way a RTX 4080 Ti sounded plausible this generation. I don't think we ever saw a RTX 4080 Ti for 2 reasons however:
1) AMD's offering this generation RX 7900 XTX was not as competitive as they hoped and really was targeted at the RTX 4080
2) they had no problem selling every single variant of AD 102 as either RTX 4090D, RTX 4080, RTX 4080S and RTX 5000, RTX 6000

Now with AMD formally withdrawing from the high end market, it leaves Nvidia to do whatever they want without even worrying about competition in the high end. So I'm not so sure we will see a RTX 5080 Ti as there is just no market pressure for them to do so.
 
CraptacularOne said:
Now with AMD formally withdrawing from the high end market, it leaves Nvidia to do whatever they want without even worrying about competition in the high end. So I'm not so sure we will see a RTX 5080 Ti as there is just no market pressure for them to do so.
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Possibly. But for many years now it's felt like they're mostly competing with themselves, given the 82% marketshare. I think they'll do a Ti purely on whether there's enough juice in it (ROI) to bother.
 
DPI said:
Possibly. But for many years now it's felt like they're mostly competing with themselves, given the 82% marketshare. I think they'll do a Ti purely on whether there's enough juice in it (ROI) to bother.
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Only way I can see them bothering with a RTX 5080 Ti is if the RTX 5090 doesn’t sell very well. I don’t think that’s doing to be the case however with the massive demand for AI acceleration and the RTX 5090 clearly being targeted at that market it’s going to sell out and we as gamers are the ones that will loose.
 
Wendell summed it up for me:

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I'm using a 4k 120hz OLED so I don't see multi-frame generation as being useful for me. I need a consistent 60FPS without frame generation in order to have good enough response times and X2 frame generation will double it to 120FPS which is the best my monitor will be able to take advantage of. One thing that will be nice is Cyberpunk at 4k DLSS quality. It looks like DLSS 4 on a 5090 is about 19FPS faster than my 4090 so X2 frame generation will double that to a 38FPS gain. You have to use DLSS and FG in Cyberpunk at 4k so this will simply allow me to play at 120FPS instead of 85FPS with the exact same visuals that I had on my 4090 with DLSS quality and FG X2. Not a bad increase but 2077 is a rare case where I actually need DLSS and FG to play at 4k. Most games that don't have path tracing can be maxed out on my display with a 4090.

I do like to push 2.5 DLDSR on games like RDR2 and Hitman 3 so any extra raw performance is welcome. The 32GB of memory is also nice for 3D art render work and high resolution texture packs. This generation is no doubt a let down but I have enough work and game benefits that I can justify a 5090 if I can get one at MSRP. I'm not willing to pay scalper prices especially with how high the MSRP is getting. Also, it looks like my 4090 will sell for $1500+ so total cost for a 5090 shouldn't exceed $800 even if I get stuck with an overpriced model due to availability.
 
I have a FB listing for my 4080S and the prices people are willing to pay keep going up lol. Probably gonna keep it unless someone makes me an insane offer or I land a 5090FE soon at list price. While selling my 5080 Ti aka 4090 for 1570 back in June was rather foolish in hindsight, this 4080S for 780 will likely be as good as it gets for perf/$ for a few months more.
 
Vlad335 said:
What's this app trick you speak of?
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Using the BB phone app, the idea was to search for "4090" at a particular store. If the card showed up in the search, it meant it was physically located there. Using this method I found one nearby. I showed up an hour before opening and was able to talk to a manager. She looked up the SKU for me and indeed it was on the delivery truck. Sold it to me right there on the spot. She seemed happy to make a $1600 sale, the guy who went and got me the card looked dismayed ;).

Mind you this was in November 2022 and I have no idea if it still works. But it won't stop me from trying.
 
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CraptacularOne said:
I'm sure they will get sold and even find their way into lower tier cards just like the AD 102 from the RTX 4090 found it's way into RTX 4080 and RTX 4080 Supers. There is nothing wrong with them binning and selling partially disabled dies that do meet the specification of the next card down the stack that's just good business and not wasting materials.

As for your RTX 5080 Ti theory it sounds plausible just in the same way a RTX 4080 Ti sounded plausible this generation. I don't think we ever saw a RTX 4080 Ti for 2 reasons however:
1) AMD's offering this generation RX 7900 XTX was not as competitive as they hoped and really was targeted at the RTX 4080
2) they had no problem selling every single variant of AD 102 as either RTX 4090D, RTX 4080, RTX 4080S and RTX 5000, RTX 6000

Now with AMD formally withdrawing from the high end market, it leaves Nvidia to do whatever they want without even worrying about competition in the high end. So I'm not so sure we will see a RTX 5080 Ti as there is just no market pressure for them to do so.
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The 4080ti looked like an obvious option on the 4090 debut, but as you say, nvidia had no problems selling the 4090 to anyone who would've have wanted a 4080ti. Indeed, they literally sold them all.

It's different this time around though because that GB202 die is so damn big that there's bound to be LOADS of chips with less than 5090/5090D cores working, but still way more than half, i.e the 5080. Worst case scenario is they cut all these remaining chips down by half and allow AIBs to re-package and sell as 5080s or it becomes a shitty 5080 super variant.

And I do believe the 5090 will be it, there won't be a 5090ti. There's no way it's ever going to make sense to sell a fully working GB202 to poor-ass gamers. nvidia are desperate to get on to a better node, I think this generation is going to be in tight supply throughout the whole life cycle, so we won't even get a ti or Titan right at the end, they'll just all get ungloriously sold.
 
I've been gaming since the 70s and gaming on PC since 1998. First got on HARDOCP in 2003. That said, I'm done with pc gaming and leaving this ridiculously expensive (to just play video games) hobby behind. I can afford any card or setup I want but my adult brain simply cannot justify it anymore. Anyway, to all the coolest people on the internet 😎 I bid you all a fond farewell and well wishes! 😃
 
cesarioFL71 said:
I've been gaming since the 70s and gaming on PC since 1998. First got on HARDOCP in 2003. That said, I'm done with pc gaming and leaving this ridiculously expensive (to just play video games) hobby behind. I can afford any card or setup I want but my adult brain simply cannot justify it anymore. Anyway, to all the coolest people on the internet 😎 I bid you all a fond farewell and well wishes! 😃
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You'll be back. The thing about the hobby is, $10,000 pcs is only a small portion. I just bought an N64 again and am on the hunt for a CRT so I can relieve that golden time replaying Mario 64, Zeldas, NFL Blitz, etc, etc.....and it only cost me a couple bucks.....yes I have tinkered with emulators and all the good stuff those offer like higher upscaled resolution.....but nothings better than the original authentic experience imho.

I'm also considering camping Miami, because its my version of climbing Mount Everest.....a couple years ago I did a thousand mile round trip drive to pickup the PEEGEE 32" FALD when it came out and micro centers in Georgia were the closest place with stock.
 
l88bastard said:
You'll be back. The thing about the hobby is, $10,000 pcs is only a small portion. I just bought an N64 again and am on the hunt for a CRT so I can relieve that golden time replaying Mario 64, Zeldas, NFL Blitz, etc, etc.....and it only cost me a couple bucks.....yes I have tinkered with emulators and all the good stuff those offer like higher upscaled resolution.....but nothings better than the original authentic experience imho.

I'm also considering camping Miami, because its my version of climbing Mount Everest.....a couple years ago I did a thousand mile round trip drive to pickup the PEEGEE 32" FALD when it came out and micro centers in Georgia were the closest place with stock.
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I will be around the retrogaming scene. I will always love the classics! I am literally playing through the top 10 arcade releases for 1984 at the moment. After that I intend to move on to 85, 86 etc;

It's the gaming pc platform I'm leaving behind. The ridiculous gpu prices combined with mostly redux, uninspired, unoptimized, beta test AAA releases is the last straw for me. Good luck to you and happy gaming!
 
the_sextein said:
I'm using a 4k 120hz OLED so I don't see multi-frame generation as being useful for me. I need a consistent 60FPS without frame generation in order to have good enough response times and X2 frame generation will double it to 120FPS which is the best my monitor will be able to take advantage of. One thing that will be nice is Cyberpunk at 4k DLSS quality. It looks like DLSS 4 on a 5090 is about 19FPS faster than my 4090 so X2 frame generation will double that to a 38FPS gain. You have to use DLSS and FG in Cyberpunk at 4k so this will simply allow me to play at 120FPS instead of 85FPS with the exact same visuals that I had on my 4090 with DLSS quality and FG X2. Not a bad increase but 2077 is a rare case where I actually need DLSS and FG to play at 4k. Most games that don't have path tracing can be maxed out on my display with a 4090.

I do like to push 2.5 DLDSR on games like RDR2 and Hitman 3 so any extra raw performance is welcome. The 32GB of memory is also nice for 3D art render work and high resolution texture packs. This generation is no doubt a let down but I have enough work and game benefits that I can justify a 5090 if I can get one at MSRP. I'm not willing to pay scalper prices especially with how high the MSRP is getting. Also, it looks like my 4090 will sell for $1500+ so total cost for a 5090 shouldn't exceed $800 even if I get stuck with an overpriced model due to availability.
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I'm wavering. Reruns of the benchmark on path traced Cyberpunk yesterday with the latest updates from CD Projekt and Nvidia showed an increase for me to a pretty solid 100 Hz. This is on a 4090 at 4K DLSS Performance and RTX HDR. Might just pocket the win from the software updates and call it a day. As my display is also limited to 120Hz max input.
 
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