$2500 5090 I’m out

The $2,000+ price tag is a little bit of a stretch, but I can pony up for it if needed. But then I think, dang only 25% to 30% faster for $2,000 DOLLARS!!!!! Just not worth it, no way. And it runs hot, clocked very high, and draws a shit ton of power. Ugh

I hear the 6090 will be on a new process and run cooler and more efficient and have a pretty good performance upgrade too of 40% to 50% over 5090, so like 70% to 80% over a 4090
 
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And those prices are before tax+shipping+water block. O_O

RTX 5090

  • Asus ROG Astral OC: $2799.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $2349.99
  • MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $2499.99
  • MSI SUPRIM SOC: $2399.99
  • Asus TUF GAMING: $2449.99
  • MSI VENTUS 3X OC: $2199.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC LAUNCH EDITION: $2379.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC: $2379.99
RTX 5080:

  • Asus TUF GAMING OC: $1699.99
  • Asus ROG Astral OC: $1899.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $1199.99
  • MSI Inspire 3X OC (Gold) - $1169.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC (white): $1199.99
  • Asus PRIME: $1399.99
  • Asus PRIME OC: $1499.99
  • MSI VENTUS 3X OC PLUS: $1139.99
  • Gigabyte GAMING OC: $1199.99
  • Gigabyte WINDFORCE SFF: $1369.99
  • MSI SUPRIM SOC: $1249.99
  • MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $1299.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC: $1229.99
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Good for the AIB's. they learned fools will pay anything for a 5090 because they got to have the best. However their 5080 pricing is pretty hilarious on a few of them.
 
I don't have a problem with reduced gains, gen over gen. We are hitting the limits for existing tech and materials, Silicon only goes so far, power and thermals require major innovation too. It's unrealistic to expect major gains gen over gen. What I do have a problem with is the steady moving of goal posts with pricing. You can only give me a 20% gain over last gen? Fine but don't ruin it with a 25% price increase! In the past I was able to go to the used market to get value but the used market can't pass value onto me when it wasn't there to begin with. I hate running out of VRAM in my games but when I try to negotiate with sellers, how do I ask them to lower the price when they paid through the nose for their gpu to begin with. I wish Intel had also made a $750 B590 because that would have stirred up the mid range market for the benefit of consumers.
 
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I don't have a problem with reduced gains, gen over gen. We are hitting the limits for existing tech and materials, Silicon only goes so far, power and thermals require major innovation too. It's unrealistic to expect major gains gen over gen. What I do have a problem with is the steady moving of goal posts with pricing. You can only give me a 20% gain over last gen? Fine but don't ruin it with a 25% price increase! In the past I was able to go to the used market to get value but the used market can't pass value onto me when it wasn't there to begin with. I hate running out of VRAM in my games but when I try to negotiate with sellers, how do I ask them to lower the price when they paid through the nose for their gpu to begin with. I wish Intel had also made a $750 B590 because that would have stirred up the mid range market for the benefit of consumers.
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Nvidia is trying very hard to get you to forget about raster and only pay attention to DLSS + FG for exactly these reasons.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Nvidia is trying very hard to get you to forget about raster and only pay attention to DLSS + FG for exactly these reasons.
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Agreed. GPUs are parallel. It's dead easy to make a faster one, just add more cores. And if you went the chiplet route, we could have some crazy ass graphics cards with stupid core counts that only do raster. That's totally possible today.

It's also totally possible for AMD and Intel for that matter.
 
Epyon said:
And those prices are before tax+shipping+water block. O_O

RTX 5090

  • Asus ROG Astral OC: $2799.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $2349.99
  • MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $2499.99
  • MSI SUPRIM SOC: $2399.99
  • Asus TUF GAMING: $2449.99
  • MSI VENTUS 3X OC: $2199.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC LAUNCH EDITION: $2379.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC: $2379.99
RTX 5080:

  • Asus TUF GAMING OC: $1699.99
  • Asus ROG Astral OC: $1899.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $1199.99
  • MSI Inspire 3X OC (Gold) - $1169.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC (white): $1199.99
  • Asus PRIME: $1399.99
  • Asus PRIME OC: $1499.99
  • MSI VENTUS 3X OC PLUS: $1139.99
  • Gigabyte GAMING OC: $1199.99
  • Gigabyte WINDFORCE SFF: $1369.99
  • MSI SUPRIM SOC: $1249.99
  • MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $1299.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC: $1229.99
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These for real wtf?
 
I'm convinced now that there's going to be a 5080ti.

If the 4090 were re-released today, it would still be the best buy come Jan 30th. The 5080 just seems like a joke in performance, and given they killed off the 4080/4090 stock so deliberately last year there's a clear gap being formed. I'm not buying a 5090, and I'm not buying a 5080.

These are all essentially limited edition cards intended to 100% sellout instantly. Being in a box on a shelf is a technical formality.

Nvidia can barely be arsed to box theirs up properly! :LOL:
 
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An ASUS Astral 5090 with tax for $3,200, you aren't in??
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Not at that price. 2000 was OK with me. With taxes and shipping I am ok between 2200-2400. But this is beyond ridiculous. I got my TUF on launch day for 1600$. I was hoping for similar treatment.
 
Well there we go. Far louder and hotter than 4090 FE (surprise), and efficiency not improved at all, even far worse than 4000 for idle/low load.

Performance increase is in the 35% range, maybe we could see closer to 40-50% with a better CPU than the 9800X3D though, but I don't expect anything there since Intel is in shambles.

For me that is definitely a pass (4090 FE owner).

New DLSS looks great in CP77 though, but doesn't require a GPU upgrade (unless you went AMD).
 
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- 35% more performance with 25% higher power draw qualifies as "Highly Energy Efficient"?

"Highly energy-efficient"..nice for 600 watt card

- No gain in RT over the raster, no gain perf/watt, no gain perf/cost, the only gain is the purposely locked frame gen on the rtx4000...The performance gain doesn’t seem all that great for the major price increase.

- draws ungodly amount of power, runs hot and loud, costs a small fortune, all for +35% gen to gen.

- 40% higher power draw in gaming vs 4090 for 35% more performance means they pushed it to the max perfomance and lost in efficiency vs the previous gen.
 
  1. Everyone complains.
  2. Everyone buys.
  3. Everyone talks about how much better they are. (you can interpret this in any way you see fit)
 
Splurging on reviews now that they are hitting. Seems to be about what I expected. Hot , loud, power hog and the fastest GPU ever (for now) with some pretty neat new features. DLSS is fine with me and I like to see improvements there but frame gen still does not interest me.
 
Blackwell is made on tsmc 5nm, while the iphone 16 gen used 3E last september. I suspect the next gen will look like a big jump by comparison.
 
If you run a 4k monitor, then yes the 5090 shows some nice gains over the 4090. A sort of worthy upgrade for that high res.

Any lower resolution displays don't seem to benefit as much with very little performance gain.

But the cost is insane, with AIB running close to $3,000 w/TAX which is just outrageous for a single PC component. A very bad trend, that on principal should not be supported. IMO.
 
spine said:
Agreed. GPUs are parallel. It's dead easy to make a faster one, just add more cores. And if you went the chiplet route, we could have some crazy ass graphics cards with stupid core counts that only do raster. That's totally possible today.

It's also totally possible for AMD and Intel for that matter.
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The chiplet model comes with its own performance hampering issues. Monolithic is the way to go
 
spine said:
Agreed. GPUs are parallel. It's dead easy to make a faster one, just add more cores. And if you went the chiplet route, we could have some crazy ass graphics cards with stupid core counts that only do raster. That's totally possible today.

It's also totally possible for AMD and Intel for that matter.
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Splitting GPU work in to chiplets is possible but not necessarily easy and not necessarily very efficient.
Data movement between blocks inside chip is insanely high.

GPU drivers/microcode can be written to reduce aspects of rendering where data travels a lot between different cores but again it is not easy. If it was it would be already done.

That said sooner or later we will see GPUs with chiplets. Too much benefit to ignore such option.

RJA said:
I don't have a problem with reduced gains, gen over gen. We are hitting the limits for existing tech and materials, Silicon only goes so far, power and thermals require major innovation too. It's unrealistic to expect major gains gen over gen. What I do have a problem with is the steady moving of goal posts with pricing. You can only give me a 20% gain over last gen? Fine but don't ruin it with a 25% price increase! In the past I was able to go to the used market to get value but the used market can't pass value onto me when it wasn't there to begin with. I hate running out of VRAM in my games but when I try to negotiate with sellers, how do I ask them to lower the price when they paid through the nose for their gpu to begin with. I wish Intel had also made a $750 B590 because that would have stirred up the mid range market for the benefit of consumers.
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Higher new generation prices not only mean 'latest and greatest' crowd pays more but everyone else pays more also.
It is however good to sell your used latest and greatest cards. 4090 prices have fallen a bit after CES but I guess prices will rise the moment people realize 5090 are hella expensive for what they provide and that only scalpers have them in stock.
 
I think that seals it for me.

At 4k/Ultra the 5090's 0.1% lows beat the 4090's average in many of the most important titles. That is huge.

I guess it remains to be seen if these are going to be available anywhere, and if they can be bought at anywhere near MSRP.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSlOC_jiLQ

NVIDIA made Intel's mistake... Almost a complete refresh of the previous generation, and it even performs worse at lower resolutions, where it should be significantly faster. I really don't believe that the NPU matters. This DLSS4 doesn't look good at all from the first tests where it's in games. Lots of glitches, non-existent objects, screen division into equal parts...And the power consumption...

TLDR these are neat with some new ideas and a little performance uptake. check back for the 60 series where they hopefully solve the efficiency issues and raise the bar a bit more meaningfully.

Yep, its a 4090Ti
 
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  1. Everyone complains.
  2. Everyone buys.
  3. Everyone talks about how much better they are. (you can interpret this in any way you see fit)
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I don't think 'everyone' will buy this generation like they did with 4090.
Not everyone got 3090Ti just because it was the fastest card.
Lots and lots of people got 4090 but it was because when upgrading from older cards it made some sense to spend some more and get the better card - more future proof.

Now not only performance improvements over 4090 are very strongly corelated with power consumption increase and price also increased.
And as it is 4090 only got more future proof with DLSS now looking much much better. I feel like I already got upgrade with DLSS with lower level looking better than DLSS with higher quality level.

But I guess Nvidia anticipated these sentiments - maybe they don't actually want to sell these cards as badly as people might believe they do.
Heck, I think Nvidia would rather sell all GB202 silicon they can get from TSMC to data centers and their AI super computers. RTX 5090 is just there to reassert their absolute GPU dominance.
 
With the release of the RTX 5090, NVIDIA has introduced a flagship GPU that comes with a $500 premium over the RTX 4090 while delivering a 30% performance boost at 4k. If I were to speculate, the 5090 feels like what the 4090 Ti might have been if it had ever launched. While it does pack a few extra features and upgrades, the overall value proposition becomes questionable for those who already own an RTX 4090.

For existing 4090 users, the performance uplift doesn’t seem compelling enough to justify the steep cost of upgrading, especially considering the diminishing returns at the high end of the GPU market. Unless you’re someone chasing the absolute cutting edge or needing the latest features for a specific workflow, the 5090 appears to be more of a lateral move at the premium tier rather than a game changing leap forward.
 
Zorachus said:
With the release of the RTX 5090, NVIDIA has introduced a flagship GPU that comes with a $500 premium over the RTX 4090 while delivering a 30% performance boost at 4k. If I were to speculate, the 5090 feels like what the 4090 Ti might have been if it had ever launched. While it does pack a few extra features and upgrades, the overall value proposition becomes questionable for those who already own an RTX 4090.

For existing 4090 users, the performance uplift doesn’t seem compelling enough to justify the steep cost of upgrading, especially considering the diminishing returns at the high end of the GPU market. Unless you’re someone chasing the absolute cutting edge or needing the latest features for a specific workflow, the 5090 appears to be more of a lateral move at the premium tier rather than a game changing leap forward.
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If you are a 4K Ultra fan, with the 4090 you are constantly at the very edge of playable framerates. Adding 30% performance can make the difference between playable and not.
 
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I think you may have to turn on DLSS or FG to fully enjoy your 5090.
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DLSS certainly got better today and less of an issue.
Then again on 5090 the net model works a bit faster (probably due to faster memory compared to compute) and card is 35% faster so can definitely help with achieving rock solid 4K performance.
Heck, I guess at this point we need to start testing GPUs at 5K or even 8K to really show their full potential.
 
After seeing the reviews, the 5090 seems like a decent upgrade for people with a 4K/240HZ display like me. If they can tune the 3X/4X MFG to feel no worse than 2X FG, then that's a good improvement. At the least, it should reduce VRR flickering on OLEDs.

For people who absolutely hate any sort of upscaling and game at 4K, the bump in performance is pretty good too. Native 4K/120 is now possible in the games that 4090 ran around 80-90 fps at 4K.

But considering that an upgrade would probably cost a 4090 owner about $1200 after selling the old card, it's about a 6/10 in terms of upgrade worthiness.

Also, the noise and temperature of the memory chips on the FE are worrisome. I still have bad memories of my two 3XXX FE videocards sounding like jet engines in every RT game. But right now FE is the only option for an upgrade that I can still consider somewhat reasonable.
 
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TJk_P2A0Iw

30% extra performance relative to the 4090 for a 25% higher price. Last generation, the 4090 offered 70% extra performance over the 3090 for a mere 7% price increase. Profoundly disappointing.

It's even worse here in Europe. The 5090 costs like 40+% more, and that's the cheapest one, they go well above 50% in cost increase.
 
So basically nobody needs to buy a 5090 except for us 57" UltraWide people....OK! So everybody else just go in on the 5080......or buy my 4090 with inferior displayport connectors..... trust me you dont want an icky 5090! They are gross!
 
Even if gamers with deep pockets don't scoop them up there may be a scalper wave because why not every GPU release now... Ultimately I think the AI bros will buy them like hotcakes because even 2-3k is cheaper than 32G professional cards and this GPU has a lot of other things going besides pushing games.
 
Man, I'm a pretty big hardware enthusiast but even I gotta draw the line somewhere. $2000 is just a bridge too far for me. I can't reward Nvidia with my money for this. I always buy the latest high end card and I was, I don't wanna say "happy" to part with $1600 but I was OK with it given the staggering performance gain when going from my RTX 3090 of 70%+ and they had the (again I use this term VERY loosely) "decency" to only increase price by $100 over the RTX 3090. Now they want $400 more from the already astronomical MSRP of the RTX 4090 for 25%+ performance?

We can't keep on this trajectory and reward Nvidia with our money for this. Honestly if they kept the price the same at $1600 it would be acceptable (barely) but to jack up the price again? Yeah, it's a pass for me.
 
Not wanting to be that guy.......I told you so........starts whistling and walks away.......


MistaSparkul said:
This whole thread is full of entitlement with people telling you that you should not buy something that you can afford in order to somehow force a price drop so that they can now afford it.
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"Borderline idiotic but I will play this game. Perhaps that may be the movitation for some but for many of us who can actually "afford" to purchase any card we choose it's also unfair! This is simply a matter of principle and responsible spending. Nvidia is taking advantage of you and many others free spending attitude and all of us "gamers" are paying for it! In the very near future when a $4000.00 video card is considered an acceptable price it will be you and others like you who will be to blame as to why you no longer have a hobby. Why? Because even though you will be willing to fork over 4k for a video card, the vast majority of people will simply say enough is enough and leave the hobby, resulting in a shrinking pc game market, and making it even easier for developers to develop for whatever passes as a console at that time. You sir, with your 4k video card will be an afterthought."


It's coming.........
 
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CraptacularOne said:
Man, I'm a pretty big hardware enthusiast but even I gotta draw the line somewhere. $2000 is just a bridge too far for me. I can't reward Nvidia with my money for this. I always buy the latest high end card and I was, I don't wanna say "happy" to part with $1600 but I was OK with it given the staggering performance gain when going from my RTX 3090 of 70%+ and they had the (again I use this term VERY loosely) "decency" to only increase price by $100 over the RTX 3090. Now they want $400 more from the already astronomical MSRP of the RTX 4090 for 25%+ performance?

We can't keep on this trajectory and reward Nvidia with our money for this. Honestly if they kept the price the same at $1600 it would be acceptable (barely) but to jack up the price again? Yeah, it's a pass for me.
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Totally agree
 
cesarioFL71 said:
Not wanting to be that guy.......I told you so........starts whistling and walks away.......



"Borderline idiotic but I will play this game. Perhaps that may be the movitation for some but for many of us who can actually "afford" to purchase any card we choose it's also unfair! This is simply a matter of principle and responsible spending. Nvidia is taking advantage of you and many others free spending attitude and all of us "gamers" are paying for it! In the very near future when a $4000.00 video card is considered an acceptable price it will be you and others like you who will be to blame as to why you no longer have a hobby. Why? Because even though you will be willing to fork over 4k for a video card, the vast majority of people will simply say enough is enough and leave the hobby, resulting in a shrinking pc game market, and making it even easier for developers to develop for whatever passes as a console at that time. You sir, with your 4k video card will be an afterthought."


It's coming.........
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Everyone has their limits on where they draw the line, but let me ask you this: Do you or anyone else actually NEED a $4000 video card to enjoy games? Do you? If you're someone who must have the latest and greatest in order to enjoy games then that's your problem. If a video card costs $4000 does that mean video cards that costs less will somehow no longer exist? Halo products are halo products and I've never once expected such products to ever be priced reasonably compared to the rest of the product stack. The 5090 is a halo product, but the 5080 and lower along with AMD options exists. So the PC gaming market is supposed to somehow shrink just because halo products costs too much? We really just gonna ignore everything else like the RX 9070 XT that caters to the masses? If I don't feel like buying the $4000 halo product, I will simply buy whatever GPU at whatever price point I'm comfortable with paying and enjoy my games rather than cry about how expensive the flagship is.
 
cesarioFL71 said:
Not wanting to be that guy.......I told you so........starts whistling and walks away.......



"Borderline idiotic but I will play this game. Perhaps that may be the movitation for some but for many of us who can actually "afford" to purchase any card we choose it's also unfair! This is simply a matter of principle and responsible spending. Nvidia is taking advantage of you and many others free spending attitude and all of us "gamers" are paying for it! In the very near future when a $4000.00 video card is considered an acceptable price it will be you and others like you who will be to blame as to why you no longer have a hobby. Why? Because even though you will be willing to fork over 4k for a video card, the vast majority of people will simply say enough is enough and leave the hobby, resulting in a shrinking pc game market, and making it even easier for developers to develop for whatever passes as a console at that time. You sir, with your 4k video card will be an afterthought."


It's coming.........
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Well said.
 
From everything I have seen/read so far I'll just be happy with my 4090 for now. Just doesn't seem to make sense to spend that much money for minimal gains regardless if I can sell my 4090 to help with the cost or not. I agree with others that this seems like it should be a 4090Ti.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Everyone has their limits on where they draw the line, but let me ask you this: Do you or anyone else actually NEED a $4000 video card to enjoy games? Do you? If you're someone who must have the latest and greatest in order to enjoy games then that's your problem. If a video card costs $4000 does that mean video cards that costs less will somehow no longer exist? Halo products are halo products and I've never once expected such products to ever be priced reasonably compared to the rest of the product stack. The 5090 is a halo product, but the 5080 and lower along with AMD options exists. So the PC gaming market is supposed to somehow shrink just because halo products costs too much? We really just gonna ignore everything else like the RX 9070 XT that caters to the masses? If I don't feel like buying the $4000 halo product, I will simply buy whatever GPU at whatever price point I'm comfortable with paying and enjoy my games rather than cry about how expensive the flagship is.
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If your halo product is 4k then your mainstream cards will be what? 2k? 8 series cards will be 3k? You going to enjoy playing at medium settings and resolutions after shelling out 2000.00? Medium to high settings with "god tier" settings turned off for 3k?
 
MistaSparkul said:
Everyone has their limits on where they draw the line, but let me ask you this: Do you or anyone else actually NEED a $4000 video card to enjoy games? Do you? If you're someone who must have the latest and greatest in order to enjoy games then that's your problem. If a video card costs $4000 does that mean video cards that costs less will somehow no longer exist? Halo products are halo products and I've never once expected such products to ever be priced reasonably compared to the rest of the product stack. The 5090 is a halo product, but the 5080 and lower along with AMD options exists. So the PC gaming market is supposed to somehow shrink just because halo products costs too much? We really just gonna ignore everything else like the RX 9070 XT that caters to the masses? If I don't feel like buying the $4000 halo product, I will simply buy whatever GPU at whatever price point I'm comfortable with paying and enjoy my games rather than cry about how expensive the flagship is.
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Quoting for emphasis.
 
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