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$2500 5090 I’m out

peppergomez said:
https://wccftech.com/getting-nvidia-rtx-50-series-gpus-at-msrp-would-be-a-surprise/amp/

Nvidia sure is good at exploiting gamers
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One thing for me atleast, if there are not enough supply and I can't get one at launch then I'll check back for a month and if I still can't get one then that's it. I won't chase these cards around for months and get the card 6 months past it's launch. Part of the reason I buy on release is so that I can get the benefit of the new generation of cards for the longest amount of time possible. If Nvidia can't be bothered to build enough cards then I won't be bothered to buy them. I will try on launch day and I will try a few weeks after but if they can't get their shit together than they don't deserve my money and I'll wait for the next generation or until they fix their manufacturing problems.
 
cesarioFL71 said:
I will be around the retrogaming scene. I will always love the classics! I am literally playing through the top 10 arcade releases for 1984 at the moment. After that I intend to move on to 85, 86 etc;

It's the gaming pc platform I'm leaving behind. The ridiculous gpu prices combined with mostly redux, uninspired, unoptimized, beta test AAA releases is the last straw for me. Good luck to you and happy gaming!
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The best way to handle this hobby is to always stay a generation or two back. Then you dont have to worry about scalping, launch lines, and insane prices.... but.....its difficult to do that. Smart money would be to wait until the 6090 series....but wheres the fun in that!
 
rhcliff said:
I am disappointed by the price increases, especially for the AIB models. But I also find it funny that so many of the hardcore enthusiasts are complaining about the price.

I remember that a 2080 TI SLI setup was pretty popular back in the day. That was $2500 before tax? At the least, the 5090 should age much better than 2X 2080 TI.
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I don't remember it being that popular of a setup. IMO, there was no point to 2080 Ti SLI aside from bragging rights. Nvidia gave up on optimizing SLI awhile back. I believe that was the gen they officially stopped adding profiles, but the writing was the wall long before that. Most enthusiasts were not bothering with SLI anymore after the 1080 Ti as far as I can remember.

I do feel prices have gotten out of control. That, and there haven't been as many games that have interested me. I actually sold my 4090 and downgraded to a 7900 XTX. I plan on keeping this card until the 6 series drops, if prices get more reasonable at that point, then I may jump back in. This gen feels like an easy skip to me though, and I've owned pretty much every high end GPU since the 8800GTX days.
 
x3sphere said:
I don't remember it being that popular of a setup. IMO, there was no point to 2080 Ti SLI aside from bragging rights. Nvidia gave up on optimizing SLI awhile back. I believe that was the gen they officially stopped adding profiles, but the writing was the wall long before that. Most enthusiasts were not bothering with SLI anymore after the 1080 Ti as far as I can remember.

I do feel prices have gotten out of control. That, and there haven't been as many games that have interested me. I actually sold my 4090 and downgraded to a 7900 XTX. I plan on keeping this card until the 6 series drops, if prices get more reasonable at that point, then I may jump back in. This gen feels like an easy skip to me though, and I've owned pretty much every high end GPU since the 8800GTX days.
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I agree, I was an SLI user every generation and even I stopped buying into it after the 1080TI SLI setup that I owned stopped working on all major titles. RDR2 took nearly a year to get it running correctly after jumping through hoops. 2x 1080TI was around $1400 and now that prices are above $2000 for a single card, I have started selling my old cards instead of giving them away. At this point, even if I sell my 4090 for the same price I bought it for, I'll still need to spend nearly $1000 for a new card IF I can get one at MSRP. It doesn't help that Nvidia's tactics press their third party card makers into making cards with MSRP's that are anywhere from 10% to 40% above the FE model at launch. Obviously the bottom line is too high on these GPU's if they have to push $400 above the FE model just to make a profit.

The FE cooler may be a high end piece of tech but it's only purpose is to allow multiple 5090's to be used in a single workstation. It's not about gamers anymore at all. It looks to me like Nvidia put the minimum effort into these cards and basically just pushed their workstation products on gamers with zero effort towards catering to them. They raised the prices so less people will want them because they can't manufacture enough to supply cards to Meta, Google, Tesla ect, so they are not willing to waste manufacturing space on less profitable GPU's for gamers. The 5090 is a failed workstation GPU that will become available as the bad GPU's pile up. I doubt there is much effort put into the manufacture of the actual cards which explains why none of the AIB partners have any stock.
 
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One thing for me atleast, if there are not enough supply and I can't get one at launch then I'll check back for a month and if I still can't get one then that's it. I won't chase these cards around for months and get the card 6 months past it's launch. Part of the reason I buy on release is so that I can get the benefit of the new generation of cards for the longest amount of time possible. If Nvidia can't be bothered to build enough cards then I won't be bothered to buy them. I will try on launch day and I will try a few weeks after but if they can't get their shit together than they don't deserve my money and I'll wait for the next generation or until they fix their manufacturing problems.
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Makes sense to me. Maybe I will do the same.
 
the_sextein said:
If Nvidia can't be bothered to build enough cards then I won't be bothered to buy them. I will try on launch day and I will try a few weeks after but if they can't get their shit together than they don't deserve my money and I'll wait for the next generation or until they fix their manufacturing problems.
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Completely agree! There's no excuse for not having enough product.
 
x3sphere said:
I don't remember it being that popular of a setup. IMO, there was no point to 2080 Ti SLI aside from bragging rights. Nvidia gave up on optimizing SLI awhile back. I believe that was the gen they officially stopped adding profiles, but the writing was the wall long before that. Most enthusiasts were not bothering with SLI anymore after the 1080 Ti as far as I can remember.

I do feel prices have gotten out of control. That, and there haven't been as many games that have interested me. I actually sold my 4090 and downgraded to a 7900 XTX. I plan on keeping this card until the 6 series drops, if prices get more reasonable at that point, then I may jump back in. This gen feels like an easy skip to me though, and I've owned pretty much every high end GPU since the 8800GTX days.
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Wasn’t popular at all and barely supported at that. Pretty much died after the 600 series
 
Armenius said:
Many a reviewer even back then were complaining about the "absurd" $500 price tag and not being able to justify it for the performance gains over the GeForce2 GTS 64MB.
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True facts. I don't see any reason to drop that kind of cash on an asset that typically depreciates quickly after 2 years unless it's making me more than it's costing me.

500 bucks? Sure. 1k? maybe. But 2k for a gpu and then everything else is getting very expensive. If you're worth 2 million+ and have 300k+ income, then sure. But for everyone else i don't get it, i really don't.
 
I think... with the exception of "the special ones", that maybe the 50 series is for those that didn't go for the 40 series. But, with that said, likely still talking about other 50 series cards. Unless, you felt like you missed out on the 4090 and want to see if you can get in (hate to even say this) cheap on the 5090 this time around.
 
peppergomez said:
Do you guys think you're going to be able to buy them at launch, and for MSRP?
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The only card that is "MSRP" is the FE edition and good luck getting one of those. All other AIB's start at $2199 minimum.

So what is the MSRP price to you? lol
 
I would have thought Zotac and some others would have some $1999 skus

Zotac 5080 SOLID in Canadian dollars is really close to $1000 usd, if the early numbers are legit, the 5090 Solid was called their msrp 5090 at CES I think.
 
cjcox said:
I think... with the exception of "the special ones", that maybe the 50 series is for those that didn't go for the 40 series. But, with that said, likely still talking about other 50 series cards. Unless, you felt like you missed out on the 4090 and want to see if you can get in (hate to even say this) cheap on the 5090 this time around.
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These fixed 4K displays are thirsty beasts.

Generally though, I used to think and behave as you describe above, but then I lost a lot of folks. And now waiting 2 years for whatever is next just seems a lot longer than it used to. More precarious I guess.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
True facts. I don't see any reason to drop that kind of cash on an asset that typically depreciates quickly after 2 years unless it's making me more than it's costing me.

500 bucks? Sure. 1k? maybe. But 2k for a gpu and then everything else is getting very expensive. If you're worth 2 million+ and have 300k+ income, then sure. But for everyone else i don't get it, i really don't.
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Oh for sure I would not consider such a thing an asset. Go for an index fund or such for that. Even the toybox has a place though. And compared to other hobbies, it's still more affordable than many. (Does seem prices are getting pretty crazy though...)
 
Not sure if it is still true they depreciate that specially quickly nowaday (versus cars, tv, etc...), msrp 4090 can be sold for about the same price
 
SH1 said:
Oh for sure I would not consider such a thing an asset. Go for an index fund or such for that. Even the toybox has a place though. And compared to other hobbies, it's still more affordable than many. (Does seem prices are getting pretty crazy though...)
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Cheaper in what sense? I have a double axel trailer, a dirt bike and gear. Upfront cost is pretty high, but relatively inexpensive and the used dirt bike doesn't depreciate nearly as fast. Also have a boat, same story. I have my 2020 Tacoma v6 4wd that is probably worth more than I paid for it because no one wants that gen4 turbo trash. I don't mind spending money, but with that gpu, with the 9800x3d, mobo, ram, case, psu monitors, etc etc...you're in for 5k probably. And it is probably going to be a massive loss on that hardware. You still need to pay for power and games (which is cheaper), but in 2-3 years that 2300 5090 will be 500-800 bucks. Same with all that hardware. My 4k dirt bike is still a 4k dirt bike 2 years later.

I get your point, but not convinced other hobbies are really cheaper.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
The 5k series an new AMD gpus are literally not even on shelves yet.
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A bit like the cars bought just before 2020, it could be rare moment, but even a 3080 kept its value really well post 4000 series launch. Not sure if it is fair to compare used vs new depreciation rate.

Will take a long time for 5k series at MSRP to be easy to buy to work their price pressure completely and if the benchmark of a 5080 slower than a 4090, pressure could be weak.

In the 90s-earlys 00s, computer hardware depreciation felt like 3x what they are today, as it slowed down quite a bit.

I really doubt in January 2027 we will be able to get a working 5090 for $500, 3090 are still more expensive than that now, more than 4 years after launch:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=3090+rtx&_sacat=0&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

$700-1000 being common (if you had them at $1500 msrp in 2020, that not bad depreciation wise, probably better than car pre-2020), it could all change with TSMC 2 or something that bring a large performance per dollar change and enough volume for people to keep price low to destroy older gpu values, but things could continue and the $1200 6080 could be slower than the 5090...
 
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LukeTbk said:
I really doubt in January 2027 we will be able to get a working 5090 for $500, 3090 are still more expensive than that now, more than 4 years after launch:
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I suspect by jan 2028 a 5090 will have a mean sales prices of 700 and a 90 dollar std dev. We should see a really nice bump on the 6k series and higher density memory and I strongly suspect AI will have dropped significantly by then. Lets bookmark this and revisit to see who is right (testing predictions is probably my favorite thing to do on forums).
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I suspect by jan 2028 a 5090 will have a mean sales prices of 700 and a 90 dollar std dev. We should see a really nice bump on the 6k series and higher density memory and I strongly suspect AI will have dropped significantly by then. Lets bookmark this and revisit to see who is right (testing predictions is probably my favorite thing to do on forums).
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2028 $700 is way more probable than the previous $500 in early 2027 prediction, opening the door to both of us being right....
 
LukeTbk said:
2028 $700 is way more probable than the previous $500 in early 2027 prediction, opening the door to both of us being right....
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"You still need to pay for power and games (which is cheaper), but in 2-3 years that 2300 5090 will be 500-800 bucks. Same with all that hardware. My 4k dirt bike is still a 4k dirt bike 2 years later."
 
SH1 said:
Oh for sure I would not consider such a thing an asset. Go for an index fund or such for that. Even the toybox has a place though. And compared to other hobbies, it's still more affordable than many. (Does seem prices are getting pretty crazy though...)
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It's a cheaper hobby, for sure, compared to audio. I mostly dabble with headphones and already have several 1-2k headphones which aren't even considered TOTL. For high end speakers setup, we could easily be talking about tens of thousands. But audio gear tend to hold value much longer than videocards. Some 10 year old speakers or headphones could sell for their original MSRP or more if they're no longer made.

Even keyboards are getting to be a ridiculously expensive hobby. There are plenty of people on reddit spending hundreds if not thousands every year on keyboards, keycaps and switches.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
"You still need to pay for power and games (which is cheaper), but in 2-3 years that 2300 5090 will be 500-800 bucks. Same with all that hardware. My 4k dirt bike is still a 4k dirt bike 2 years later."
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Yep that lowest part of that prediction feel too low to me (for that timeline), you could disagree not a big deal, but that would be a significant different change than the post Pascal world of used gpu maintaining price, for a $500 32GB 512 bits 5090 in 3 years or less.... $800 for the max in 2 years could also be optimistic (maybe TSMC2, AMD, play station 6 will push things), but they could still be $999 easily (like popular skus of 3090 still are more than 4 years in).
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
Cheaper in what sense? I have a double axel trailer, a dirt bike and gear. Upfront cost is pretty high, but relatively inexpensive and the used dirt bike doesn't depreciate nearly as fast. Also have a boat, same story. I have my 2020 Tacoma v6 4wd that is probably worth more than I paid for it because no one wants that gen4 turbo trash. I don't mind spending money, but with that gpu, with the 9800x3d, mobo, ram, case, psu monitors, etc etc...you're in for 5k probably. And it is probably going to be a massive loss on that hardware. You still need to pay for power and games (which is cheaper), but in 2-3 years that 2300 5090 will be 500-800 bucks. Same with all that hardware. My 4k dirt bike is still a 4k dirt bike 2 years later.

I get your point, but not convinced other hobbies are really cheaper.
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I try to keep the price down by upgrading one component at a time. Harder to do certainly with how much GPUs cost these days...

(Basically I build up a system around the display.)
 
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It's a cheaper hobby, for sure, compared to audio. I mostly dabble with headphones and already have several 1-2k headphones which aren't even considered TOTL. For high end speakers setup, we could easily be talking about tens of thousands. But audio gear tend to hold value much longer than videocards. Some 10 year old speakers or headphones could sell for their original MSRP or more if they're no longer made.

Even keyboards are getting to be a ridiculously expensive hobby. There are plenty of people on reddit spending hundreds if not thousands every year on keyboards, keycaps and switches.
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Yeah, seems like with audio the sky's the limit. I've just got an old Mirage satellite 5.1 set up. I did upgrade the front speakers more recently to some larger versions of the same I found on eBay.

Keyboards my favorite is still probably Capacitive Buckling Spring. (Typing this on an IBM F AT.)
 
x3sphere said:
I don't remember it being that popular of a setup. IMO, there was no point to 2080 Ti SLI aside from bragging rights. Nvidia gave up on optimizing SLI awhile back. I believe that was the gen they officially stopped adding profiles, but the writing was the wall long before that. Most enthusiasts were not bothering with SLI anymore after the 1080 Ti as far as I can remember.

I do feel prices have gotten out of control. That, and there haven't been as many games that have interested me. I actually sold my 4090 and downgraded to a 7900 XTX. I plan on keeping this card until the 6 series drops, if prices get more reasonable at that point, then I may jump back in. This gen feels like an easy skip to me though, and I've owned pretty much every high end GPU since the 8800GTX days.
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Very similar boat here. I stepped back to a 6950xt after selling my 4090 in November. I don't feel like I'm missing alot, and think this is the first gen I won't have the top card since Ti 4600.

I have the money, but thess prices and supply have reached a level of absurdity that have pushed me away. The other thing, while tracking stock isn't difficult and discoursing with knuckleheads loke myself on forums is amusing, I've got better things to spend my time on.
 
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in 2-3 years that 2300 5090 will be 500-800 bucks.
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Really doubt it.
It is 32GB card with gigantic die at the time process node isn't progressing all that quickly.
In 2-3 years maybe 4090 will be 500-800 bucks if Nvidia (or someone else..) releases something significantly better but not 5090.
Given how it looked for 4090 and current trend of ever rising prices I would say we are still talking avery expensive after 6090 is released. More like at the very least 1600 bucks.
That said people feel it is justified to charge 1600 bucks for their used 4090s so 1600 bucks would be a great price. Maybe if 6090 is significantly better and isn't more expensive...
 
SH1 said:
Keyboards my favorite is still probably Capacitive Buckling Spring. (Typing this on an IBM F AT.)
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That's true vintage lol. I had to look up what it was. Modern keyboard switches have evolved so much. Have you tried how they compare to your IBM?
 
LukeTbk said:
Yep that lowest part of that prediction feel too low to me (for that timeline), you could disagree not a big deal, but that would be a significant different change than the post Pascal world of used gpu maintaining price, for a $500 32GB 512 bits 5090 in 3 years or less.... $800 for the max in 2 years could also be optimistic (maybe TSMC2, AMD, play station 6 will push things), but they could still be $999 easily (like popular skus of 3090 still are more than 4 years in).
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Fair. A lot of the prices has to do with market conditions. Right now Nvidia is putting a lot towards data centers and professional cards.

The thing about something like AI is that the demand is so high that alternatives have to start popping up (and they are). The clearly dominant Nvidia likely won't stay at the top of AI and consumer gpus forever and when that happens supply will dramatically shift prices.

I look forward to the 6090 and whatever AMD has (9800 pro 2.0) that will likely compete on heavy vulkan workloads.

Another wrench is this whole thing is how things like DLSS and mfg will impact the market. These are unknowns, but i do know enough will change in 2-3 years that the demand will likely shift and we will likely see demand shift.
 
I think the 6090 que lines are going to be insane. When They shift down to a new node and the performance is out of this world I bet its 6 months in before you can buy one and then the price because of all the R&D they had to pay for my god.
 
Rumors on Micro Center prices basically put the 5080 at defacto around $1200, not $1000 with many models exceeding that.

For both the 5090 and 5080, the ASUS Astral OC seems to be the most ridiculous with the 5080 model approaching the 5090 FE MSRP.
 
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Epyon said:
I think the 6090 que lines are going to be insane. When They shift down to a new node and the performance is out of this world I bet its 6 months in before you can buy one and then the price because of all the R&D they had to pay for my god.
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I don't think so. The 4090 was a massive 70% uplift over the 3090 and I was able to get one about 1 month after launch and then anyone else was able to go ahead and just buy one after another month or two from when I did. I've never expected to be able to get a new GPU on launch day, but anywhere from 2-3 months afterwards with the exception of the COVID + Crypto boom of 2020-2022 is about where I expect to just buy one without issue.
 
Epyon said:
I think the 6090 que lines are going to be insane. When They shift down to a new node and the performance is out of this world I bet its 6 months in before you can buy one and then the price because of all the R&D they had to pay for my god.
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Depends. Deepseek just showed how to do big ai on the cheap. That might dramatically open up tsmc capacities and reduce costs.
 
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