$2500 5090 I’m out

WFH is kind of a scam anyway

I haven't really commuted to an office since 2017. That's now around ~3500 hours of time I have not wasted in some sort of commute process. If you consider that you're awake for 16 hours a day, that adds up to over 7 months of time I've gotten back. And YOLO - every second you waste is not something you can go back and undo or make up. On top of that, I don't need a new car because I've put some 100K miles on it since then, and I don't need back surgery because I've been able to avoid doing something that would further worsen my bulging L5-S1.

Ideally just live close to work - which is fine and easy when you're a free bachelor, but that's not feasible once you've settled down with a family.

As for Nvidia, in hindsight I'd certainly have commuted for some of those stock options - but only so I'd never have to commute again!
 
Yep, but then who is going to stop them? :(

That being said if the efficiency is at least similar to the 4090, one could argue about it, depending on what you do with the card.

It might not be - we're getting reports of 30-35% raster increase. 600W vs 450W is also a 33% increase. There may be almost no efficiency improvements this round. I guess we can still see how it performs at 450W as cards tend to gain a fair amount of efficiency under their TDP...
 
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1025...nvidia-5090-is-30-faster-than-4090/index.html

Confirms a 5090 is 30% faster than a 4090 in raw performance upgrade.

All other 5xxx series cards are only 15% faster than previous gen versions.



My rule of thumb on PC "upgrades" I need to see an absolute bare minimum of at least 33% ( 1/3rd ) performance jump for me to even start thinking about it, but usually I only upgrade if it's a 50% or higher jump, because then that's noticeable. $2,000.00 for 30% LOL uh no F'ing way in hell, and $999 for 15% going to a 5080 from my current 4080 not a freaking chance.

Looks like I'll wait for the RTX-6080.

I will say the 4090 over the 3090 being 60% to 70% of an upgrade is the way it should be, at least that was worth the price and a very noticeable huge uptick in performance.

A 5090 over my 4080 looks to be a 50% to 60% "upgrade" and that is potentially tempting, but I like the FE cards and that thing will be sold out in 30 seconds, and then out-of-stock for 2 years most likely.
^^ This.. I ran my 1080ti's in SLI until I bought my current 3080ti. Though to be honest, I should have upgraded earlier.

Depending on pricing I will likely buy a used 4xxx series card with an already installed water block after the 5xxx series cards drop.
 
I haven't really commuted to an office since 2017. That's now around ~3500 hours of time I have not wasted in some sort of commute process. If you consider that you're awake for 16 hours a day, that adds up to over 7 months of time I've gotten back. And YOLO - every second you waste is not something you can go back and undo or make up. On top of that, I don't need a new car because I've put some 100K miles on it since then, and I don't need back surgery because I've been able to avoid doing something that would further worsen my bulging L5-S1.

Ideally just live close to work - which is fine and easy when you're a free bachelor, but that's not feasible once you've settled down with a family.

As for Nvidia, in hindsight I'd certainly have commuted for some of those stock options - but only so I'd never have to commute again!
I don’t doubt it’s great for employees but on average, productivity goes down, social skills get eroded. There are exceptions, but there’s a reason more and more employers are requiring RTO and the vast majority of those complaining are employees. They don’t want the accountability when they can sit on the couch in their PJs with a zoom meeting set as background noise.
 
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My rule of thumb on PC "upgrades" I need to see an absolute bare minimum of at least 33% ( 1/3rd ) performance jump for me to even start thinking about it, but usually I only upgrade if it's a 50% or higher jump, because then that's noticeable. $2,000.00 for 30% LOL uh no F'ing way in hell, and $999 for 15% going to a 5080 from my current 4080 not a freaking chance.
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I strive for similar. Since Im not willing to spend ~600+ on a new card guess Im fucked for a few years.

I wonder what used 4060/4070/4080's will go for in 6-12 months. 4060 wouldnt be much of an upgrade for me but if they were down to under $200 I could replace what I have and play the hand-me-down with my boys. Would be worth it. A flavor of the 4070 (theres what 3-4 of them?) for under $300 would be good...

I get the "high" for bang-for-the-buck. I could easily afford a 5090 but I just plain dont need it. I buy alot of cheap stuff from china. Do I throw 1/2 of it away, making waste and carbon foot prints with manufacturing and shipping and all that? Yeah. Guess I dont care. I have gotten some total garbage from china but a few diamond in the ruffs. Its kinda like buying a surprise package.
 
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9070 XT? Assuming it is priced no more than 600.
Very good suggestion... and one would hope would only come down. My problem with the AMD cards is they dont seem to like a handful of my older games very much. AMD had always slagged a little in their drivers and Im guessing they focus their efforts on support for newer titles.
 
I haven't really commuted to an office since 2017. That's now around ~3500 hours of time I have not wasted in some sort of commute process. If you consider that you're awake for 16 hours a day, that adds up to over 7 months of time I've gotten back. And YOLO - every second you waste is not something you can go back and undo or make up. On top of that, I don't need a new car because I've put some 100K miles on it since then, and I don't need back surgery because I've been able to avoid doing something that would further worsen my bulging L5-S1.

Ideally just live close to work - which is fine and easy when you're a free bachelor, but that's not feasible once you've settled down with a family.

As for Nvidia, in hindsight I'd certainly have commuted for some of those stock options - but only so I'd never have to commute again!
I hear that on the L5-S1 (L4 and L5 for me, old sports and demo job injuries I reinjure every few years). WFH a few days a week has literally kept me from having to take sick time off (largely caused from 9-11hr days of sitting in the office). It's an old adage at this point, but I'm working for 2 hours longer when WFH. Importantly, I'm happier AND more efficient, and my reports are happier and more efficient as well which helps me get more out of them than I did when they were cracking up from being in the office 5-6 days/week. They'll take WFH away from my cold dead hands. That said, it's not for everyone, and some people abuse it (same people who slack in the office)

I had bought 12k shares of NVDA back in early 2009... when it was $.25. My wonderful wife convinced me to sell at $6 in 2020 to simplify taxes while living overseas. F me.
 
I wonder what used 4060/4070/4080's will go for in 6-12 months.

I’ve bought into every new generation without exception and I’ve always sold my previous card (or cards when I was doing SLI) and I’ve always been astonished at what I got paid at auction.

Typically, I’ll hold onto my previous hardware for at least 4 months before selling it.

People always say the cards will depreciate in value quickly after the release of the new generation, but anecdotally I haven’t found that to be the case.
 
I’ve bought into every new generation without exception and I’ve always sold my previous card (or cards when I was doing SLI) and I’ve always been astonished at what I got paid at auction.

Typically, I’ll hold onto my previous hardware for at least 4 months before selling it.

People always say the cards will depreciate in value quickly after the release of the new generation, but anecdotally I haven’t found that to be the case.
Decent cards do tend to hold their value, I doubt we will get another 1080ti anytime soon. Also just from watching I notice that the auctions do tend to go for more, people with that "itch" to not lose something they have their mind/hope on. Patience is key. Stuff tends to go for pretty good here, people wanting to throw fellow [H] peeps a bone and also not wanting to deal with fees and what not. I sold an RX580 for $25 shipped here a few months ago, just didnt need/want it.
 
I've gotta say, the more I wait and the more I hear, the less inclined I'm becoming to get one now. I was dead set a few weeks back.

One of the major things is simply the stupidity of the thing, 600w is just fucking nuts! :confused: I only recently-ish upgraded from a decent but old 850w PSU to a quality platinum efficiency 1000w one. I could easily have gotten a beefier one, but I reasoned that I'd rather have the best power effiency, and I really wouldn't WANT a PC that NEEDS a 1200w+ PSU! If I did, that would mean drawing an actual 1000w+ and dumping that as heat into my room.

And it's gunna draw more than 600w, more like 650w utilising the PCIe slot. Of course you can underclock/lower the TDP, but then that kinda defies the point of getting the card.

Buying a 5090 means basically installing a 1000w space heater into my room. That's fine in the winter, but come summer time these cards are going to be a nightmare! 🔥🚒
 
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I've gotta say, the more I wait and the more I hear, the less inclined I'm becoming to get one now. I was dead set a few weeks back.

One of the major things is simply the stupidity of the thing, 600w is just fucking nuts! :confused: I only recently-ish upgraded from a decent but old 850w PSU to a quality platinum efficiency 1000w one. I could easily have gotten a beefier one, but I reasoned that I'd rather have the best power effiency, and I really wouldn't WANT a PC that NEEDS a 1200w+ PSU! If I did, that would mean drawing an actual 1000w+ and dumping that as heat into my room.

And it's gunna draw more than 600w, more like 650w utilising the PCIe slot. Of course you can underclock/lower the TDP, but then that kinda defies the point of getting the card.

Buying a 5090 means basically installing a 1000w space heater into my room. That's fine in the winter, but come summer time these cards are going to be a nightmare! 🔥🚒

IMO if you have a 4080 or 4090 just wait this gen out, it's really more like 4090 Ti not a true RTX-5090, I remember reading a year or so ago the 5xxx line was kind of a stop gap until new gen and better process would be made for the 6xxx cards in 2026/2027. The 6090 is said to be a huge jump in performance and also not so power hungry, will go lower on the wattahge requirements.

5090 needing 575 watts is insane and almost sounds dangerous. Curious how it fairs after real people have the card for a month or two, how will the cable connector hold up, and heat?
 
Asus started developing a connector on the motherboard that would avoid the cables on the GPU cards.
Linus is already spinning the card and gently warming his hands.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/2dYBxD_uius?si=jI6cyiXjulAIG1IF


Geeze I can't stand Linus anymore such a shyster and shady salesman. "it gets double the frames in CP77" Uh that's a bit misleading, how bout just true raw performance, the 5090 does not get double the fps compared to the 4090, more like 20%.
 
I think many people underestimate how much heat this 600 watt card is going to throw into their room. When summer hits they will be needing to run room air conditioners or turning their A/C down to really cold temps just so they can stay comfortable while they game. Just adds more costs to this already over priced card.
 
I'm most interested in some deep dives on how much heat these bad boys dump into cases and how that affects ambient temps in the case as well as the room the PC is in. I have a personal rule of sub 300W GPUs because I prefer smaller more compact builds. Of course that means top level performance is out the door these days but I really don't care about that anymore for my stuff. Hopefully some forum members here can get ahold of some founders 5090s and do some real world testing to share with us.
 
One can hope it's not pulling 575w that often but it's a legitimate concern and definitely one factor that makes this gen unappealing to me, on paper at least.

In 2 days we will know more from the reviews and have some actual numbers.
 
I think many people underestimate how much heat this 600 watt card is going to throw into their room. When summer hits they will be needing to run room air conditioners or turning their A/C down to really cold temps just so they can stay comfortable while they game. Just adds more costs to this already over priced card.
4090 under volt to 70% no problem here in texas
 
And it's gunna draw more than 600w, more like 650w utilising the PCIe slot.
Maybe in spike, but 4090 in Furmark stay close to its announced wattage,
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/39.html
Good review that talk about power, will be total power:
All power consumption numbers reported on this page are "card only" values measured via the PCI Express power connector(s) and PCI Express bus slot.

Looking at their new connector, angle to plug it, etc... I doubt they will let an issue like that "burn" the brand again and not have tested it quite a bit.
 
One can hope it's not pulling 575w that often but it's a legitimate concern and definitely one factor that makes this gen unappealing to me, on paper at least.

In 2 days we will know more from the reviews and have some actual numbers.
everyone that insists on full settings and unlocked fps will be pushing that all the time.
 
One can hope it's not pulling 575w that often but it's a legitimate concern and definitely one factor that makes this gen unappealing to me, on paper at least.

In 2 days we will know more from the reviews and have some actual numbers.

It will though. The 5090 is literally double the 5080, which has a TDP of 360w, so logically the 5090 should draw 720w. Restricting it to 575w means that it's absolutely going to running at that 575w limit as it's starving for power all the time. It's so far off it's going to spike over and end up drawing well over 600w.

The AIB cards are going to be frightening! 😲
 
everyone that insists on full settings and unlocked fps will be pushing that all the time.
On a 4090 that is not the case unless using path tracing/RTX or VR, without much if any upscaling. Even then the card will not really stay pegged at 450w. It will hit that number only briefly.

Unlocked fps is bad anyway, 100% GPU load causes insane input lag (unlocked fps when CPU bound is another matter, but off-topic here). Of course there is Reflex but that's literally just a dynamic fps cap to avoid overloading the GPU buffer.
 
On a 4090 that is not the case unless using path tracing/RTX or VR, without much if any upscaling. Even then the card will not really stay pegged at 450w. It will hit that number only briefly.

Unlocked fps is bad anyway, 100% GPU load causes insane input lag (unlocked fps when CPU bound is another matter, but off-topic here). Of course there is Reflex but that's literally just a dynamic fps cap to avoid overloading the GPU buffer.
thats "full settings"....
yes.
 
I will pass on this gen GPU unless my 3080 blows up.
Not too impressed with the way DLSS and frame generation is used to boost FPS, I can use Lossless scaling program(6.99 USD) to use frame gen on any card.
Now if I was making a living doing ML or AI, my business would invest in a GPU cluster. For CP 2077 or any ray/path traced game it is not worth it to me,
 
I will pass on this gen GPU unless my 3080 blows up.
Not too impressed with the way DLSS and frame generation is used to boost FPS, I can use Lossless scaling program(6.99 USD) to use frame gen on any card.
Now if I was making a living doing ML or AI, my business would invest in a GPU cluster. For CP 2077 or any ray/path traced game it is not worth it to me,
But if you play at 4K, 4090 is a huge leap even without RT and frame-gen. Even at 3440x1400, I thought that it was a great jump. With a 3080, I was starting to have to lower graphical settings quite a bit to stay above 60 fps. 4090 was a reliable max settings/120fps at 3440x1440 for all but the most demanding RT games.
 
Run two of them and you will have an idea of how hot a 5090 will make the room.
4090+4080 water cooled 70% power all day every day in my room when not playing games and i do video encoding. Again no problems. Door stays open though lol.
 
And those prices are before tax+shipping+water block. O_O

RTX 5090

  • Asus ROG Astral OC: $2799.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $2349.99
  • MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $2499.99
  • MSI SUPRIM SOC: $2399.99
  • Asus TUF GAMING: $2449.99
  • MSI VENTUS 3X OC: $2199.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC LAUNCH EDITION: $2379.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC: $2379.99
RTX 5080:

  • Asus TUF GAMING OC: $1699.99
  • Asus ROG Astral OC: $1899.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC: $1199.99
  • MSI Inspire 3X OC (Gold) - $1169.99
  • MSI GAMING TRIO OC (white): $1199.99
  • Asus PRIME: $1399.99
  • Asus PRIME OC: $1499.99
  • MSI VENTUS 3X OC PLUS: $1139.99
  • Gigabyte GAMING OC: $1199.99
  • Gigabyte WINDFORCE SFF: $1369.99
  • MSI SUPRIM SOC: $1249.99
  • MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC: $1299.99
  • MSI VANGUARD SOC: $1229.99
 
At some point you figure that prices will get so silly that it will happen. However the crypto cycles really opened Pandora’s box concerning what people will pay to play games so maybe not yet?

These price leaks are wild though!
 
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