techie81
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Not yet.There is nothing that prevents me from installing anything I want to on my Windows computer, without ever touching an app store.
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Not yet.There is nothing that prevents me from installing anything I want to on my Windows computer, without ever touching an app store.
Not yet.
Microsoft's emphasis on cloud computing and online account requirements. This is definitely the direction we're going.Do you have any specific claim to make, or just tapping into your psychic powers?
why is randomly trying to remember the app name or website, or finding the optical disk in whatever folder i left it in, the preferred way to install apps for windows users?
EVERYTHING ELSE from Steam, Epic, Android, IOS, OSX, and linux for like 20 years, has all been some form of 'app store'.
install windows, track down 8 drivers
look for your office key, crap i forgot some ZIP app, adobe reader, is flash on windows still a thing?
better grab ccleaner because even though i did a clean install it is already bloated... *sigh*
install windows, run windows update until it says there is nothing left, zip files are natively supported, pdfs are native to edge, flash is dead, period, what bloat, defender, links to office online? so bloated... sigh.this is one of the arguments that gets me in the soul when someone says they don't like linux because it is hard to use. Install any popular distro and point and click every office app, driver, etc you need. install windows, track down 8 drivers, look for your office key, crap i forgot some ZIP app, adobe reader, is flash on windows still a thing? better grab ccleaner because even though i did a clean install it is already bloated... *sigh*
To each their own. On my personal devices I love having my settings sync'd across everything and I like a common shared pool of storage across them which is all cloud and has no setup. In an enterprise environment it might sound bad, but we actually get a lot of requests for OneDrive, for both storage as well as collaboration. We would be keen to it but my IT Security team says they don't have enough visibility so it's restricted currently. That's really the only complaint anyone has about it....and that's a good thing? That's a great argument against windows 10 in my mind.
I don't "modify programs"... I install or occasionally uninstall. Every desktop app I install can also be uninstalled from the Settings Apps panel.There aren't any modifications to the OS which would cause that ( at least from me, might be from the vendor ). You missed the part, however, where there are two different ways to modify programs, which apparently work differently. That's unique to windows 10, and frankly ridiculous.
"Modify" in the ability to add/remove programs, so you do. There's the new w10 "Apps" way, and the old "Uninstall a program" applet way. The "Apps" way has been hit or miss for me, while the old "Uninstall a program" method works. ie: two different ways to modify programs, which work differently.I don't "modify programs"... I install or occasionally uninstall. Every desktop app I install can also be uninstalled from the Settings Apps panel.
Windows update installed solitare, 3 xbox connect apps, some 'my phone' app, trials of all the office apps, 3 different image editors, and not correct chipset or video drivers, usb3, sound. The built in zip support is just off of use less, the built in pdf does not allow internal fillable forms to function.install windows, run windows update until it says there is nothing left, zip files are natively supported, pdfs are native to edge, flash is dead, period, what bloat, defender, links to office online? so bloated... sigh.
thats not really bloat as it doesnt affect performance, sure its things you dont want but lots of people so...Windows update installed solitare, 3 xbox connect apps, some 'my phone' app, trials of all the office apps, 3 different image editors, and not correct chipset or video drivers, usb3, sound. The built in zip support is just off of use less, the built in pdf does not allow internal fillable forms to function.
At least with WDS and group policy we can alter a lot of that in deployment.
install windows, run windows update until it says there is nothing left, zip files are natively supported, pdfs are native to edge, flash is dead, period, what bloat, defender, links to office online? so bloated... sigh.
Well, I have run into some apps that cannot be found outside the Microsoft Store, but I think you can still access the Store from a browser.There is nothing that prevents me from installing anything I want to on my Windows computer, without ever touching an app store or other "central repository" (which only contain "approved" apps/programs).
Exactly.There is nothing that prevents me from installing anything I want to on my Windows computer, without ever touching an app store or other "central repository" (which only contain "approved" apps/programs).
Printers, yes but, I found that at least with HP scanners, you have to install the HP software for it to work.
If you are here and have not seen Office Space, something is wrong.Has anyone watched Office Space.....
hp's new universal drivers mostly took care of that. yeah they dropped some 15-20+ year old units, but its time to replace those....Regarding HP printers under Windows: I've found pure luck, possibly based on divine intervention often works.
Has anyone watched Office Space where they smash that fax machine? I've been close regarding HP printers under Windows....
hp's new universal drivers mostly took care of that. yeah they dropped some 15-20+ year old units, but its time to replace those....
aka "oh no, if I post something on a community forum that other people don't agree with, they might express their differing views and how dare they post on this forum THIS FORUM IS ONLY FOR MY VIEWS ALONE"
People use Android.
In fact: Globally, Android is the most popular OS in use, surpassing Windows. Yet it suffers a minuscule fraction of the Malware, PUP, Trojan, cryptolocker, ransomware and virus infections that are experienced under the Windows platform.
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
Windows Malware infections in the first quarter of 2020 made up 83.45% of all infections, while Android made up only 3.24%. Basically that blows the idea of security simply via obscurity totally out of the water. Whats more, it's totally plausible to compare desktop to mobile operating systems when they're both outstanding attack vectors and Microsoft themselves have deliberately done their best to make their operating system a mobile and desktop solution.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/680943/malware-os-distribution/
If modern problems require modern solutions, it's obvious that solution isn't Windows in it's current form. As an individual that works on Mom and Dad, Grandma and Grandpa (average user) Windows based devices - I'd estimate at least 75% of all machines are infected with some form of Malware. Of that 75%, I'd estimate that 60% of those users installed the Malware manually on their machines (known as PUP's) - These PUP's then create back doors to download even more Malware on the victim's Windows machine.
It's simply too easy to install random .msi installers under the Windows platform and the 'solutions' are simply failing at holding back the ocean.
Phone OS's need not apply.
Shame they track you just the same as if you had logged in or not including location . Far worse than Microsoft's stuff.As soon as the Pine Phone (Linux) reaches the point where in can be a daily driver, that is where I will be. For the moment, I pruned as much off the Android phone as I could and do not use it for much, at all. (Email, text, web browsing and Garmin watch function.) I do not sign into Google, at all, do not use Android Auto, and do not care for a tracking device in my pocket.
yeah .. my grandfather has arthritis tooJust gonna throw this out there, but they are gonna have to pry my Lumia 950XL from my cold dead fingers...
hp's new universal drivers mostly took care of that. yeah they dropped some 15-20+ year old units, but its time to replace those....
As soon as the Pine Phone (Linux) reaches the point where in can be a daily driver, that is where I will be. For the moment, I pruned as much off the Android phone as I could and do not use it for much, at all. (Email, text, web browsing and Garmin watch function.) I do not sign into Google, at all, do not use Android Auto, and do not care for a tracking device in my pocket.
Android operates most smart tv:s and many media boxes, not just phones.Phone OS's need not apply.
Nice Work on the graphics, Tell us why you do not like Windows 10 - you may have a very valid reason, in the end you choose what OS you want to use.
Nice Work on the graphics, Tell us why you do not like Windows 10 - you may have a very valid reason, in the end you choose what OS you want to use.
not liking or liking is your choice - expect people to have a difference in opinion. You may have a very different level of expertise and experience?
Are you asking me to add those questions? I was strictly going for humor (last dialog especially). Edit: just spelling it out, look at the text on the buttons... brings back some memories.Nice Work on the graphics, Tell us why you do not like Windows 10 - you may have a very valid reason, in the end you choose what OS you want to use.
not liking or liking is your choice - expect people to have a difference in opinion. You may have a very different level of expertise and experience?
It's also easy to get owned while using it. I don't trust any Windows machine. About 90% of non-corporate Windowses I've examined have been infected with various forms of PuPs, malware or even viruses without the user realizing. They just complain that Windows is slow.from an IT point of view deploying to 10's of to 100's of computers .. I couldn't tell yuh .. but as an IT wannabe guy overseeing my 3 PC's and a laptop with Windows 10 ( and a TrueNAS box) thinking I'm pretty darn cool .. Windows 10 has been by far one of the easiest to "maintain" and use .. anything I throw it on, old or new .. just works. I tried going straight Linux years ago .. but couldn't play my TF2, Counter Strike Source, or Monster Truck Madness 2 on it .. and my wife hated OpenOffice at the time .. so back to Windows I went ..
Linux for desktop has come a long way since then though .. but gosh darn it .. Windows 10 is just so darn easy
I completely trust my machine, but I certainly don't trust anyone else's because yeah ... like 90% of them are full of garbage.It's also easy to get owned while using it. I don't trust any Windows machine. About 90% of non-corporate Windowses I've examined have been infected with various forms of PuPs, malware or even viruses without the user realizing. They just complain that Windows is slow.
I can't remember the last time I've been infected with anything ..PUP's included .. even my wife's rig and her being on Facebook all the time .. Ublock Origin in browsers and free OpenDNS account with server settings in my edgerouter w/Windows Defender (Ghostery on wife's rig) .. so not sure what you mean by getting owned .. ?It's also easy to get owned while using it. I don't trust any Windows machine. About 90% of non-corporate Windowses I've examined have been infected with various forms of PuPs, malware or even viruses without the user realizing. They just complain that Windows is slow.
Well, considering you can run ublock, Ghostery and an Edgerouter (shudder, I'd personally use a router of my own making based on Linux built to my specifications) on a Linux machine - They're pretty much moot points.I can't remember the last time I've been infected with anything ..PUP's included .. even my wife's rig and her being on Facebook all the time .. Ublock Origin in browsers and free OpenDNS account with server settings in my edgerouter w/Windows Defender (Ghostery on wife's rig) .. so not sure what you mean by getting owned .. ?
I get owned in Hunt:Showdown all the time though ..
It has to be said that there has been a lot of improvement. The W10 laptop I set up to my aunt as an experiment is still running and she hasn't called me in 1 year to fix anything on it. So either she uses it very little or Windows has improved in security. She probably isn't on a mass mailing list like my mother is/was. Those are like hoovers for exploits.Well, considering you can run ublock, Ghostery and an Edgerouter (shudder, I'd personally use a router of my own making based on Linux built to my specifications) on a Linux machine - They're pretty much moot points.
So essentially, you think Windows Defender is watertight when it comes to holding back the ocean. Because when you consider the numbers: The rate that Malware, Trojans, Cryptolockers, Ransomware, Viruses and PuP's (which is usually the way most of these infections seem to get on Windows machines in the first place due to the Windows user's 'freedom' to install anything the user desires - Good or bad) the odds really aren't stacked in your favor in relation to not getting infected.
I personally prefer the odds stacked in my favor.
I come across many users in my line of work that state their Windows machine isn't infected - They're the machine's that are usually the most infected.
lol .. ok .. air seems to be a little thin for you way up there on that horseWell, considering you can run ublock, Ghostery and an Edgerouter (shudder, I'd personally use a router of my own making based on Linux built to my specifications) on a Linux machine - They're pretty much moot points.
So essentially, you think Windows Defender is watertight when it comes to holding back the ocean. Because when you consider the numbers: The rate that Malware, Trojans, Cryptolockers, Ransomware, Viruses and PuP's (which is usually the way most of these infections seem to get on Windows machines in the first place due to the Windows user's 'freedom' to install anything the user desires - Good or bad) the odds really aren't stacked in your favor in relation to not getting infected.
I personally prefer the odds stacked in my favor.
I come across many users in my line of work that state their Windows machine isn't infected - They're the machine's that are usually the most infected.
It's called reality. You can't avoid it with hyperbole.lol .. ok .. air seems to be a little thin for you way up there on that horse
Fixed it for you .. and THAT ... I agree with.Reality. You can't avoid it with hyperbole.