It's not everyone's opinion that the earth is round-ish either, I tend not to consider certain contrarian groups of people every time I write something, it would get tedious with little benefit.
Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
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It's not everyone's opinion that the earth is round-ish either, I tend not to consider certain contrarian groups of people every time I write something, it would get tedious with little benefit.
Just ask your self a question, do you like being told on what you can and can't do?
Live tile functionality and e-mail alerts are extremely useful for me on a desktop.
Why would I want an OS designed for mobile devices on my desktop? Nothing was wrong with 7 so why upgrade?
Just some things to consider.
Well woopdee doo for the whole 10 users that use MS phones/Tablets.
I am exadurating the numbers but MS forcing us to use UI on a failed mobile system is just a recipe to disaster on a desktop.
All microsoft will accomplish with this "unified view" or what I like to call lock in it will just push users away from MS.
Again all they needed to do is put in a fucking on/off switch.
MS is once of the most hated companies on earth, at least the 1000 users seem to convey to me.
Just ask your self a question, do you like being told on what you can and can't do?
And one more thing. WHY should I put any effort in whatsoever? If people were like "the new interface is different and will take some time - BUT it's AWESOME underneath" well then, ya - I'd take the plunge. But as it is now - it's "put up with this nonsense for... the same thing as win 7" ummm, why? No thank you?
I mean I spend more on coffee every week than the cost of that OS, and I have zero desire to upgrade. I could live with it just fine I'm sure - but you can't say sales suck if you gave me no incentive to change my (admittedly) stubborn ways...
/boggle
What did 7 offer over Vista after it got its service packs? Combined icons (was annoying to many)? TRIM, in an age where most computers did not have SSDs, and today with hardware garbage collection being more of a norm?
We can continue to debate all we want. What's undeniable is the public perception of Windows 8, and by extension Surface + Pro, is extremely negative, and continues to get worse with each review on blogs/tech sites and forums.
It'd be easy to say most of those are following the typical 'MS sucks' formula and reprinting the same article. After all, these blogs all praise Apple. But they also went crazy over Windows 7. So I don't think its the case at all, and there are plenty to legitimate sites that have criticized Win 8.
Which is not surprising at all. I think MS expects the new wave of touch devices to carry this OS and explode in popularity, and I don't see that happening in this economy. Not when their own efforts continue to get bad reviews.
The whole Win 8 product launch (OS, Surface, WP8, dev tools) is a classic example of how not to do a launch. They screwed up the messaging and marketing big time.
Well, it's been fairly well documented there are improvements from Win 7 underneath the skin. Desktop and laptop users just have to deal with MS's foray into tablets and phones. Check out the Extremetech articles to see how you can avoid Metro and get back a start button.
...Here's my point. I walk into a store with an open mind... And I found nothing in my 10 minutes of poking around that said "you should buy this."
I'm 100% sure you're right. And no, I've admittedly spent very little time looking at actual details. But I thought I read two major things: 1) super fast bootups/hibernation/sleep modes etc. and 2) some performance increases. The problem is that I have a cutting edge computer (don't we all here at [H]?) and my win 7 boot time is around 12 seconds from a complete power down. Also, with the overkill on my machine - I already run all my games at ultra uber max settings.
Here's my point. I walk into a store with an open mind. I click around with Win 8 - I'm taking it for a test drive. I encounter a strange interface that I'm sure is fine, but frankly, I found it a bit annoying. And I found nothing in my 10 minutes of poking around that said "you should buy this." If I had seen even the smallest "cool thing" I probably would have gone home with a copy (because it's so cheap). But the marketing sucked - if there are true reasons to upgrade - that message did not find it's way to my brain. So now I'm on an internet forum wondering why I should upgrade, asking questions, and yes - now I'll go do some research.
But I'm not most people! Most people are done after that 10 minute demo. Sale is lost until they upgrade their PCs and it comes pre loaded. And my whole point - is I think that experience I had, is going to hurt early Win 8 adoption.
I'm 100% sure you're right. And no, I've admittedly spent very little time looking at actual details. But I thought I read two major things: 1) super fast bootups/hibernation/sleep modes etc. and 2) some performance increases. The problem is that I have a cutting edge computer (don't we all here at [H]?) and my win 7 boot time is around 12 seconds from a complete power down. Also, with the overkill on my machine - I already run all my games at ultra uber max settings.
Here's my point. I walk into a store with an open mind. I click around with Win 8 - I'm taking it for a test drive. I encounter a strange interface that I'm sure is fine, but frankly, I found it a bit annoying. And I found nothing in my 10 minutes of poking around that said "you should buy this." If I had seen even the smallest "cool thing" I probably would have gone home with a copy (because it's so cheap). But the marketing sucked - if there are true reasons to upgrade - that message did not find it's way to my brain. So now I'm on an internet forum wondering why I should upgrade, asking questions, and yes - now I'll go do some research.
But I'm not most people! Most people are done after that 10 minute demo. Sale is lost until they upgrade their PCs and it comes pre loaded. And my whole point - is I think that experience I had, is going to hurt early Win 8 adoption.
I don't think that really jives with reality. Most people just want the tablet that's called "iPad", and sales reflect this. They want it even in cases where it may not be the right choice. Because it's called "iPad". And now there's a $330 model, which, by Apple standards, is pretty inexpensive. "Inexpensive" and "iPad" are two words consumers like quite a lot.Remember. People who own PC or laptop, are way more than those who own tablets and other small mobile devices. So they are less prone to buy new PC, but they are ALL POTENTIAL tablet customers and if you walk in a shop and see the "familiar" Win8, chances are you will buy the tablet with MS OS.
I don't think that really jives with reality. Most people just want the tablet that's called "iPad", and sales reflect this. They want it even in cases where it may not be the right choice. Because it's called "iPad". And now there's a $330 model, which, by Apple standards, is pretty inexpensive. "Inexpensive" and "iPad" are two words consumers like quite a lot.
From the very article you posted.According to the report, Cupertino’s market share fell more than 15 percent during the third quarter. Consumer, commercial and educational shipments all declined as rumors of the iPad mini gained traction.
IDC research director for tablets Tom Mainelli believes a lot of consumers sat out the third quarter to see what Apple would deliver next. Now that the iPad mini and fourth generation iPad are here, he expects Apple to have a very solid fourth quarter.
I don't think that really jives with reality. Most people just want the tablet that's called "iPad", and sales reflect this. They want it even in cases where it may not be the right choice. Because it's called "iPad". And now there's a $330 model, which, by Apple standards, is pretty inexpensive. "Inexpensive" and "iPad" are two words consumers like quite a lot.
The average consumer doesn't think in terms of user interface cohesion, and probably doesn't fully understand what a user interface is. I don't see them approaching tablets and saying "I know the iPad has all these great apps I've heard about, but this interface is the same as my PC's, and that's probably more important."
You have a penchant for skewing statistics to make your arguments. What tablet is at ~50% market share? Windows tablets, which have been available in volume since 2002? Or iPad? Fact is: more consumers choose iPads than any other tablet. As I said earlier, sales reflect consumer demand for the iPad. In addition:
From the very article you posted.
With regards to declining PC sales, I was not debating that.
Previous Windows tablets weren't very touch friendly, requiring the use of a stylus. As demonstrated by Apple and Android, people would rather have a touchscreen friendly interface over stylus (Windows mobile) or keyboard (Blackberry).
LOL that's an understatement to say the least! Our company had a hardware partner that provided Win based toughbooks and hardened mil-spec tablets to be used with our software. The user experience was so horrible that it made me want to gnaw my arm off after a minute of use. In the end we just used ipads instead in all the product demos, which were 100x easyer to use. The toughbooks were so hard to use that just a simple thing of typing your password to them required several tries to achieve. Hard stylus combined to the slippery glass screen was noisy and clumsy as hell as a combination. Add to that regular windows desktop and poor touch support... Needless to say the devices didn't sell. Not one.
So you went from hardened, physically tough tablets to fragile as glass tablets? Then clearly you did not need the former at all or you are just BSing as always.
LOL that's an understatement to say the least! Our company had a hardware partner that provided Win based toughbooks and hardened mil-spec tablets to be used with our software. The user experience was so horrible that it made me want to gnaw my arm off after a minute of use. In the end we just used ipads instead in all the product demos, which were 100x easyer to use. The toughbooks were so hard to use that just a simple thing of typing your password to them required several tries to achieve. Hard stylus combined to the slippery glass screen was noisy and clumsy as hell as a combination. Add to that regular windows desktop and poor touch support... Needless to say the devices didn't sell. Not one.
What did 7 offer over Vista after it got its service packs? Combined icons (was annoying to many)? TRIM, in an age where most computers did not have SSDs, and today with hardware garbage collection being more of a norm?
Fact: Most people don't upgrade their OS. Most people get a new OS when they buy a new computer.
For your information, I use an Android phone and an Android tablet. Both are rooted with CyanogenMod.
I said Microsoft wanted a sense of continuity. Nowhere did I say that was a good reason, and I have repeated this MULTIPLE TIMES. I'M JUST EXPLAINING THEIR REASONING, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEEM TO GET THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.
And Microsoft did leave an on/off switch for x86 users, it's called allowing the use of third-party programs.
Also, by your reasoning, Microsoft also forced the Start Menu on us. But they also left customization open, allowing you to install things like Rainmeter.
LOL that's an understatement to say the least! Our company had a hardware partner that provided Win based toughbooks and hardened mil-spec tablets to be used with our software. The user experience was so horrible that it made me want to gnaw my arm off after a minute of use. In the end we just used ipads instead in all the product demos, which were 100x easyer to use. The toughbooks were so hard to use that just a simple thing of typing your password to them required several tries to achieve. Hard stylus combined to the slippery glass screen was noisy and clumsy as hell as a combination. Add to that regular windows desktop and poor touch support... Needless to say the devices didn't sell. Not one.
The reason that people *like* it has everything to do with usability. Windows 8 turned that right up on it's head in favor of a tablet based interface that is not really suitable for a *traditional* desktop where your input is not touch based...
So you went from hardened, physically tough tablets to fragile as glass tablets? Then clearly you did not need the former at all or you are just BSing as always.
So basically you're saying:
Microsoft didn't have a touch friendly UI, of course the tablets failed in the consumer space.
Microsoft finally has a touch friendly UI, and you say Microsoft changed the OS to make it more touch friendly for no reason?
Give me a break, you're full of hypocrisies.
Break. Microsoft still doesn't have a touch friendly UI, it has a bastardized desktop that has the worst from both sides.
I have not found it to be any worse, and works quite well on a touchscreen ultrabook that I had a chance to play around with. It is most definitely NOT the worse of both worlds, as you put it. You just simply hate Windows, and found Windows 8 easier to hate on than Windows 7, hence your continuous "for fun" argumentative posts.
Hahaha you got more jokes on your mind? For you anyone who looks at windows critically seems to be a hater. If you can't love it you must hate it, right?
Break. Microsoft still doesn't have a touch friendly UI, it has a bastardized desktop that has the worst from both sides.
This is non-sense. I use Windows 8 on my desktop and my tablet computer. On the desktop it's equivalent to 7 in terms of productivity, usability, and gaming. On the tablet I like the OS significantly better than competing OS. The touch gestures simply work really well and it has real multitasking unlike iOS and Android.