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Warhammer Online Thread!
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monkeymagick
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I agree to wait. Why would anyone rush out to buy a brand new MMORPG on release dayYou know their will be server connection issues, and new bugs at the beginning that need to be patched. I say for a brand new massive RPG to wait a little bit, let real player reviews come out and get a good feel for the game, see if it lives up to the hype, then after that if it is killer you will know about it and then buy it if you want.
One of the major reasons is to get a jumpstart over everyone else.. In fact that's the reason to get into to beta for some folks, especially in level based pvp games.
Before AoC released everyone was praising it MORE than WAR. I hate to do this..spoil the parade before it begins, but save your cash Warhammer is going to die as fast as AoC.
There's many problems with this game. WAR's focus being strictly on Realm vs.Realm, as good as it sounds, is basically a huge negative because player population is CRUCIAL. In today's post-WoW era people expect MMO's to be perfect or they bail, it doesn't help that WAR not only copy's WoW's art-style almost exactly, but 5 years of technology and it barley improved on it.
Publishers not allowing Dev's to complete cities and classes? On par with AoC's fiasco with un-promised content.
Theres serious class balance issues which is HUGE. It lacks PVE which basically means long term subscriptions suffer thats BAD for RvR..
I'm an optomist. I hate to say it but it's reality. The first 2 months people love WAR but then will lose interest and get bored because it didn't seperate itself enough from WoW it will die as fast as AoC did.
There's many problems with this game. WAR's focus being strictly on Realm vs.Realm, as good as it sounds, is basically a huge negative because player population is CRUCIAL. In today's post-WoW era people expect MMO's to be perfect or they bail, it doesn't help that WAR not only copy's WoW's art-style almost exactly, but 5 years of technology and it barley improved on it.
Publishers not allowing Dev's to complete cities and classes? On par with AoC's fiasco with un-promised content.
Theres serious class balance issues which is HUGE. It lacks PVE which basically means long term subscriptions suffer thats BAD for RvR..
I'm an optomist. I hate to say it but it's reality. The first 2 months people love WAR but then will lose interest and get bored because it didn't seperate itself enough from WoW it will die as fast as AoC did.
Eh, I wouldn't say it's on par with AoC "unpromised fiasco" at all. There a lot more to do in WAR at the moment than AoC by far. I fail to see how PvE is lacking since you can play to max level without doing any RvR whatsoever if you choose. There's no doubt that RvR takes precedence but to say WAR lacks PvE is short-sighted.
Classes are still being tweaked considering Mythic is still obtaining feedback from the beta players. The last major class balance patch in beta was huge and did a lot. There's still a ways to go but considering Blizzard is still tweaking the classes in WoW (which are significantly fewer in numbers than the 20 classes in WAR) I say Mythic is doing alright.
At any rate, I'd say WAR will do alright. The game does need polish but my my play time in beta has me feeling that it's solid enough for me to purchase and play for a few months at least. People seem to think that since WoW has 15 zillion people playing, any other MMO that comes out afterward that isn't as popular is a waste of time. All games are a waste of time to me personally.
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Jump start on what ? Where's the fire, it is about the journey not the destination...Not like the game is going anywhere, it will be a round for years, so why the rush to level up so fast.
I don't know about you guys but I LOVE being able to say that I was there at the start of such and such.
My steam account shows Member since:September 12, 2003. The day it was launched. I was there the day they killed the beta servers for WOW and I will be there when they do the same for WAR.
Head starts are nice, but saying "I was there" is even better.
My steam account shows Member since:September 12, 2003. The day it was launched. I was there the day they killed the beta servers for WOW and I will be there when they do the same for WAR.
Head starts are nice, but saying "I was there" is even better.
Not everyone shares the same philosophy as you about the journey, different strokes for different folks.
SixtyWattMan
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Doh, that means I waited 12 days before signing up on Steam.
Mine is Sept 14, 2003 because I couldn't connect to steam for 2 fucking days when it came out.
Okay I don't know about you guys, But their so called polished Beta version looks worse than how WoW looked during Beta.
I mean the graphics, animations, texture looks like pre 2004. I had high expectations for Warhammer but playing the beta, doesn't really seem like a WoW killer.
Maybe AoC killer? Then again, AoC looks really nice. People who played it praise it.
I mean the graphics, animations, texture looks like pre 2004. I had high expectations for Warhammer but playing the beta, doesn't really seem like a WoW killer.
Maybe AoC killer? Then again, AoC looks really nice. People who played it praise it.
why couldn't this be 40k?
I so want to play as an inquisitor!
A 40k MMO is in the works but it has a very long ways to go.
The only thing that "killed" AoC was Funcom. They hyped the game beyond belief only to do a complete 180 from all the things they said. Such a shame really.
The "next big thing" in MMOs only comes once every few years. I'd say EQ was the last really successful MMO and look how many MMOs came out in between EQ and WoW. The only thing that can truly "kill" a game is the company itself, whether they introduce ridiculous patches/expansions or they release a sequel.
We are all entitled to our opinions but I think most people would agree that their polished beta version looks better than WoW on release heres proof:
If you like the game play it lol. Does it have to be an anything killer? Gonna pass on the game myself since I'm not going to play another MMO until Bioware or Blizzard comes out with a new one.
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The thing is that in PVE if there are hardly anyone playing PVE there realy is no point paying to play it if all your doing is playing in a souless emtpy world. might as well play oblivion
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I agree, if this game truely lacks some good solo PvE stuff it will not last, and it seemed to be in the 3.1 beta I played, I mean yeah there was solo quests but they were so freaking bad, walk into a forest to kill 12 bats, and then in that forest a zillion bats just floating there, not even really flying around to look real, but more or less just sitting there, seemed very cheaply done by the designers. A bunch of the PvE were like that,very poor production to me, felt like a lame MMORPG world, very stale.
I have bad a feeling WAR will be another AoC...big time hype but in the long run WoLTK will own it, not just in sales of course, but I am talking fun gameplay. Would you rather spend your time in a brand new WoW world like WoLTK, or WAR ?? Which will put a bigger smile on your face or sense of enjoyment ??
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ditto. thanks to this thread i wil no longer buy WAR unless there is MASSIVE improvement in PVE.
We are all entitled to our opinions but I think most people would agree that their polished beta version looks better than WoW on release heres proof:
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I hope you are joking...
It's what WOW would look like after the D3 fanboys got a hold of the art direction duties.
I'm happy for WAR to look like WoW the cartoon theme works well and if RvR becomes popular I'd like to see some large battles in the hundreds, and if you know anything about AoC's failure to provide playable frame rates during seiges then you'll know high def graphics dont mix well with lots of players, and the sieges aren't even particularly big, nothing like the scale of battles you used to see in games like planetside which at peak were 300vs300vs300, those were the days.
I hope RvR is popular, and not just a gimmick and the other quests sound good as well. I'd rather they hold out on some content altogether if it means they can finish the important stuff and make the game mechanics work, they can then bring the other content online later and expand on an already working idea.
I hope RvR is popular, and not just a gimmick and the other quests sound good as well. I'd rather they hold out on some content altogether if it means they can finish the important stuff and make the game mechanics work, they can then bring the other content online later and expand on an already working idea.
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We are all entitled to our opinions but I think most people would agree that their polished beta version looks better than WoW on release heres proof:
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Sorry but that image looks like something from the WoW Alpha from 2003, not from a game made in 2008
And don;t say those are beta screen the retail will look way better It would have to look 10x better than that to impress me, now way the retail will be that much different.Well the graphics will sure not be ground breaking for a MMORPG, EverQuest2 had that in spades, when EQ2 released it looked jaw dropping good for it's day of 2004. Even WoW looked pretty bad ass with the open ended maps and great long distance views, it really gave me a sense of awe when I first played it, looked really artsy but also really cool. I don't see WAR giving me that same feeling what so ever.
Here are some cool WoLTK videos, and the WoW graphics engine is getting a major update with the new expansion;
http://www.truveo.com/WotLK-A-few-WotLK-places/id/1203711639
The more and more I hear about WoLTK it will be a pretty big deal, NOT just another Burning Crusade, but a major addition to the WoW world, seige battles, and tons of new never before seen stuff for WoW. I am sorry to say but WAR will have it's hands full keeping players in the world when WoLTK releases.
But I think the best time for WAR will be next year like Spring 2009, it will have 6 months under its belt with patches and add ons, plus everyone will have explored WoLTK to Level80 and be ready for something new. So 2009 will be the year for WAR
We are all entitled to our opinions but I think most people would agree that their polished beta version looks better than WoW on release heres proof:
If you like the game play it lol. Does it have to be an anything killer? Gonna pass on the game myself since I'm not going to play another MMO until Bioware or Blizzard comes out with a new one.
Seriously? That's terrible looking. I think there's 2 colors in that whole shot.
Sense some anger (nerd rage ftw) here relax guys I said better not "Earth shattering new age graphics better lol." I remember playing WoW beta. Yes it does look better than WoW when that cartoony kiddie look hit retail and guess what WoW graphics are crap. So when I say better I mean to say Warhammer has above average crap graphics but better than WoW's crappier graphics. War is coming! (no thanks passing on this one) Enjoy the suck.
but better than WoW's crappier graphics. War is coming! (no thanks passing on this one) Enjoy the suck.Meh, WoW isn't going anywhere for a couple more years at least yet. Lots of people won't get into the RvR for various reasons. To be honest, I hated PvP until I tried it in WAR.
Sense some anger (nerd rage ftw) here relax guys I said better not "Earth shattering new age graphics better lol." I remember playing WoW beta. Yes it does look better than WoW when that cartoony kiddie look hit retail and guess what WoW graphics are crap. So when I say better I mean to say Warhammer has above average crap graphics
No, it's that you threw down a screenie as if it was some kind of smackdown....and you picked *that*.....Pick a good screenshot dude, or go get some lasik surgery.
lol indeed, prob need thicker glasses but then you only see 2 colors..
Edit: Here ya go took time to find it Smackdown!
Never played such a versatile game before when it comes to leveling in WAR... Want to PvE to level tons of PvE mobs. Want to quest hundreds of quests to do. Hate leveling want to RvR? RvR all day and gain levels at a good rate. Its very well constructed and thought out system for leveling.
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realy? i heard likewise that the pve is crap in this game mate
All the people I know in WAR beta are loving the RvR and the PvE and have nothing but great things to say besides the odd complaint here or there. Much better responses then the AoC beta we all tried.
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Given that the character has a shadow, I'd say its much better looking than WoW.
realy? i heard likewise that the pve is crap in this game mate
Hopefully the NDA gets lifted and this goes into open beta so those who are skeptical can see the game for themselves.
The whole WHO vs WoW is going to be very much like CS vs whatever.
The die hard crowd is so used to the same old game that it will probably never die, CS1.6 is still going strong and we're likely to have another generation of CS games come out before it even loses the crown of most popular, much less dying all together.
Same goes for WoW
However WAR has a lot going for it, they have the chance to do a lot of things right which from watching their podcasts, I'd say they've at least recognised the irritating stuff. Just small things like keeping track of your kills for certain types of enemies/creatures even when you dont have a quest to kill them, so if you're asked to kill 12 bears if you've already killed 7 before you accepted the quest you then only have to kill another 5. The developers talk about that is actually really funny, I highly recomnmend watching through all their podcasts in chronological order (makes more sense)
The problem I have with WoW right now is the segmented community, having playing 1-60 then I immediately find out that there is no one in sight to run the 60 end game dungeons with. All of a sudden a whole chunk of the game is unavailable to you, and everyone is going to outlands because the loot is 20x better and theres loads more money etc
So then you *have* to buy the expansion, and you go into OL and level there and need to kit up to do all the epic dungeons, but now we have another expansion being released, great so now OL is going to be empty as hell and everyone will flock to the new area.
I dont like that at all, I feel like I'm being ripped off, not only am I denied the end game content of different areas but I'm strong armed into buying an expansion.
I like the idea of starting from scratch with WAR, I hope instead of expansions someone breaks into the business model of charging extra for the subscription (maybe £1-2 more per month) and then letting everyone experience all the content.
The die hard crowd is so used to the same old game that it will probably never die, CS1.6 is still going strong and we're likely to have another generation of CS games come out before it even loses the crown of most popular, much less dying all together.
Same goes for WoW
However WAR has a lot going for it, they have the chance to do a lot of things right which from watching their podcasts, I'd say they've at least recognised the irritating stuff. Just small things like keeping track of your kills for certain types of enemies/creatures even when you dont have a quest to kill them, so if you're asked to kill 12 bears if you've already killed 7 before you accepted the quest you then only have to kill another 5. The developers talk about that is actually really funny, I highly recomnmend watching through all their podcasts in chronological order (makes more sense)
The problem I have with WoW right now is the segmented community, having playing 1-60 then I immediately find out that there is no one in sight to run the 60 end game dungeons with. All of a sudden a whole chunk of the game is unavailable to you, and everyone is going to outlands because the loot is 20x better and theres loads more money etc
So then you *have* to buy the expansion, and you go into OL and level there and need to kit up to do all the epic dungeons, but now we have another expansion being released, great so now OL is going to be empty as hell and everyone will flock to the new area.
I dont like that at all, I feel like I'm being ripped off, not only am I denied the end game content of different areas but I'm strong armed into buying an expansion.
I like the idea of starting from scratch with WAR, I hope instead of expansions someone breaks into the business model of charging extra for the subscription (maybe £1-2 more per month) and then letting everyone experience all the content.
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that's one thing i also hate about wow. before i didn't enjoy it as the servers i was on where empty at the starting areas. i joined a new server called blades edge and if it wasn't for that server, i would of quit wow already. no point paying to play a game monthly when there is hardly anyone on the area that your in. might as well play oblivion/fallout3 like i mentioned before
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What I find funny is how many people complain about the graphics. Whenever people talk about WoW then mention how smart blizzard is for making it to where it runs on almost any PC.
That being said, yes the graphics do suck but I will be trying this game anyways.
That being said, yes the graphics do suck but I will be trying this game anyways.
I think the cartoony graphics work well in MMO's because they take little processing power to run well and look pretty reasonable, if you took these restrictions such as poly count per model, and try and make a realistic looking game, you'd fail miserably.
TF2 benefits for the same reason, the source engine very basic technology, BSP word, basic character models with no normal mapping etc, but looks pretty reasonable and runs on a wide range of machines, which is a giant plus.
TF2 benefits for the same reason, the source engine very basic technology, BSP word, basic character models with no normal mapping etc, but looks pretty reasonable and runs on a wide range of machines, which is a giant plus.
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Two things, first the WoW engine is 5yrs old already, so WAR better be night and day looking for being brand new. Second, in the new expansion WoLTK Blizzard is doing a major upgrade to the game engine, adding stencil shadows, and other new lighting graphics.
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I agree with some of what you said...yes the smart quest system in WAR is nice idea, if I killed 7 bears before I got the quest, those kills should still count after I get the quest. Not sure why WoW can't change their quests to follow that method.
Plus just the overall leveling up to 70 is quite a job in WoW, it takes a long time to get to 70, tons of grinding which can get extremely boring fast, and WoW is all gear based and about getting to that next level so you can use that new sword or wear that new armor piece. Not sure if retail WAR will be the same ?
But your other comment about after an expansion is released the old original content becomes a ghost town with tumble weeds blowing through and crickets chirping. But doesn't every MMORPG have the problem after an expansion is released ? Plus WoW has been around for 4 years now, I would think it would be hard to find most servers with any low level population, after 4 yrs most character's would be high level, except their alts or brand new players joining the game, but thats the problem with a game being out a long time ?
I wouldn't say Blizzard is doing a major upgrade, but what they are doing is making the game look better than it did, no doubt about that. That being said, I'm never playing WoW ever again even if they paid me.
I'm curious to see what Mythic has in store for the higher quality WAR graphics.