oh ok generalization even then its not like that, its like 10 people that compare nV products on AMD products in the AMD threads, and that is only after AMD fans over hype shit. I don't respond to just anyone that posts up articles and what not, well if the articles are f'ed up I will. And that goes for most of the people. Also don't actively go into an AMD thread, unless there is a REASON to. Actually I don't think anyone does
Look there are many discussions going on, Look at Anarchists and Leldra's and mine just recently (earlier today and yesterday), discussions are there if people want to discuss, but most of the AMD threads, AMD guys don't want to discuss they want to write down their feelings and when I or others actually put a discussion down on paper, well it doesn't go very far, cause most of them don't understand or don't want to understand why its what we are saying is real or not real. I can probably pick out some eclectic feature of AMD GCN and show how much better it performs than on nV hardware, and it raises expectations like crazy. But that isn't realistic. And this is what AMD loyalists do, without fully understanding what those features are and how they impact applications. AMD might say something, but it isn't the end all.
From the start of Vega announcements, I have stated it looks like Vega isn't going to be much different that other GCN at least not from throughput point of view. The new pipeline stage probably has to do with almost all of their new features they have talked about thus far (or specific coding paths for them). And now we have Vega FE, and it sure looks more like that now doesn't it? I'm not making anything up, its educated guess based on information that AMD has provided (its not really a guess its more like a conjecture)
Sorry to bring this up again, but look at Ryzen threads, they didn't want to discuss the CCX problems, even in the CCX problem thread lol. Why, lots of people were getting pissed off when that problem was brought up. Why? Its a freakin problem with the architecture. Why are people taking it so personally.
When nV had their async problems with Maxwell, did nV fans get pissed off. No, cause that wasn't where the problem was (and it did not make sense why the problem was there in the first place), and later on we found out where the problem was, but all that time, no one was shunning the idea of something is going wrong.
AMD can feed us all the BS about how much better they are with DX12, and nV cards are only good for old DX's, nV cards can't do async. That is all BS, but it worked great the people that don't understand the nuts and bolts are still talking about those things! I remember Johanson and Sweeny on stage and Johanson stated something to that effect, Sweeny gave him a crazy eye. Why? Cause its BS. Anyone that thinks that way doesn't understand what engineering and programming is all about.
Why are people falling for AMD's marketing, cause they show only what they want to show and black list anyone from talking otherwise. Pretty pathetic for moral standards of a company.
We can sit here and say AMD's marketing isn't effective. its Damn effective, they just can't execute because of their products, the products don't live up to the marketing. There needs to be an even medium between the two and that isn't happening.
Right now, nV marketing is here is the product, it kicks ass, there you go. AMD has to do soooo much more and then not release the product for months on end. In that time fanboys hype the shit out their products and at the end its a disappointment. The last time AMD did "here is the product" was with the 9700 and they did it again with the 4xxx line. Guess what those products kicked ass.
I can say 100% at this time Vega marketing will be based on DX12 with DX12.1 tier 3 support for all features lol. Why do I think they will because Pascal doesn't have Tier 3 CRV's. But no damn engine uses CRV's yet! and engines won't in the short term and mid term because it will branch out console development entirely.
Knock the GPUs all you want. The CCX problem is very minimized with fast RAM. Very happy with my Ryzen 7.