Teh Uber L33t Aqua-Computer Thread :)

[XteriorMotive]

n e 1 no of an aus distributor of aqua computer gear

 

[Aviddigi]

Ich erhalte ihm Freund nicht

 

[Top Nurse]

n e 1 no of an aus distributor of aqua computer gear

There are none that I know about, but:

http://www.users-side.co.jp/ or http://www.computer-4you.at/

 

[Top Nurse]

Your problem isn't the firmware, it's the current OS which you have damaged when trying to update to OS 2.02.

While updating it seems that only a few bits and bytes have beend flashed and I guess one of them was the signature that says you are having OS x.xx
Now if you try to update your aquaero, the OS loader will abort this because it thinks that you have already updated.

So what happens if he were to do a total flash by holding down the set button for longer than five (5) seconds? I think you told me once that this puts the flash back to it's unprogrammed state like in a brand new Aquaero correct? If he were to do this then would the update software work properly?

If he has to send it back to Germany to have the OS reinstalled why can't you send the software to do it so he can save the time, hassle, and $$? Flashing EPROM's and flash memory isn't all that big of a deal. I have a special program for doing it on my Palm OS Tungsten T5 and I program EPROMS with a burner. Obviously no one is going to be taking the chipout of the PCB and replacing it with another right?

So it seems that Aqua Computer should perhaps designate their dealers to do this kind of service for customers in the USA and other places far away from Germany. Increased market presence increases sales which increases issues for warranty work. The Aquaero isn't going to take off in the high end market if everytime something goes wrong with it it requires the consumer to pay for an expensive trip to Germany and back to the USA. Seems like Aqua Computer needs to have better relations with their dealers so customers needs are better met. Now if Aqua Computer doesn't want to do that then dealers should be empowered to do warranty exchanges for customers and send the dead units back to be replaced with new units on their next stock shipment.

 

[simon27]

Hey guys...

I need some suggestions with my AC Setup... Just tell me what you think or what should I change:

Pump: Aquastream / Eheim 1048 $111/$70
Blocks:
CPU: CuplexXT $107
GPU: Twinplex $I HAVE NO IDEA :X
Radiator + Grill: Airplex Evo 360 + 360 Grill $132
Resevoir: Aquatube + Aquajet + Mounting Bracket: $94

So far what you think? Will it work fine wiht my setup? dfi lanparty and eVGAs/BFG 6800gt ? Will it be better than an DangerDen setup?

Greetz

 

[Top Nurse]

Well I can only say that when comparing stuff like this you have to understand that one is a Ford and one is a Mercedes Benz. But all that aside I think you will be quite happy with that combination of products. Very similar to R1ckCa1n and my setups. The 1048 is okay, but if you ever will think about getting an Aquaero then I would go with the Aquastream instead.

BTW, I noticed your using SNT prices correct? They have no XT's and won't have any for quite a while. Sharka has 20 of them coming in next week and their price includes the P&C fittings which SNT wants an additional $5 for. You should order from whoever you feel comfortable with, but I think you will be bummed if you have to pay up front for items and then wait till SNT orders them from Europe while others are talking about their A-C stuff they got from Sharka. I think the only thing Sharka asks for non-stock items like the Evo 1800 radiator is a prepay deposit. Also I believe that everything you want is either good in stock now or will be here next week.

They also still have to put up on the site all the Aquadrives, Aquaero & Aquastream faceplates in black and silver, + all of the extra goodies for the Aquaero. They also have coming in bulkhead, 90 degree elbows, T's. They also have some other exotic fittings coming directly from Parker or Legris. Like 90 and 45 degree bulkheads The P&C tubing of which they stock the UV clear and black tubing should go up tonight or tomorrow morning.

 

[Vlad335]

Anyone know where I can get the 3/8" barbs for the Aquatube? Need 2 of them and I need them fast.

Have a couple days off and I want to get this system up and running.

 

[Top Nurse]

If you need them fast then SNT if they have them...if their order system isn't still borked. Those fittings are in the Sharka shipment coming in next week or you could use a 8mm compression fitting and heat the tube up which I think you already have right?

 

[Vlad335]

If you need them fast then SNT if they have them...if their order system isn't still borked. Those fittings are in the Sharka shipment coming in next week or you could use a 8mm compression fitting and heat the tube up which I think you already have right?

I tried SNT but got all kind of PHP errors in the ordering process. I sent them an Email but in reading the forum over there, things don't look too good.

Where can I get an 8mm Comp fitting to fit 1/8" BSP threads? I believe thats what the Aquatube uses, right?

 

[CAD OC'er]

Well I can only say that when comparing stuff like this you have to understand that one is a Ford and one is a Mercedes Benz.

lol. So which is the Ford? I had an ML but the leather interior, the console swithes, and cup holders had to be constantly replaced...

 

[CAD OC'er]

I tried SNT but got all kind of PHP errors in the ordering process. I sent them an Email but in reading the forum over there, things don't look too good.

Where can I get an 8mm Comp fitting to fit 1/8" BSP threads? I believe thats what the Aquatube uses, right?

holy shit! me too and dan's not returning any emails...
I thought it was because of my Hawaii zip code

 

[Vlad335]

holy shit! me too and dan's not returning any emails...
I thought it was because of my Hawaii zip code

WOW! I just got an email from Dan asking for my zip for shipping purposes! Has them in stock!

 

[CAD OC'er]

WOW! I just got an email from Dan asking for my zip for shipping purposes! Has them in stock!

Well, speak of the Devil. I just got the email... cool.

 

[R1ckCa1n]

HE IS ALIVE!!!!!! Good news for Dan.

You do not want 8mm barbs V, as you won't get 3/8" tygon around it. I would order the 10mm barbs for your system. I used them on my last configuration and they work like a charm.

 

[Vlad335]

you could use a 8mm compression fitting and heat the tube up which I think you already have right?

I am using 3/8" ID tubing now. I believe that is 10mm right?

8mm will be too small so I don't understand why I would heat the tube up.


EDIT: Ahh... Maybe you think I am using 6mm tubing.

 

[simon27]

Well I can only say that when comparing stuff like this you have to understand that one is a Ford and one is a Mercedes Benz. But all that aside I think you will be quite happy with that combination of products. Very similar to R1ckCa1n and my setups. The 1048 is okay, but if you ever will think about getting an Aquaero then I would go with the Aquastream instead.

What you mean by one is mercedez and one is ford? Like one is from America and one is from Europe?...

i dont think ill get aquaero... so expensive .

In this point of my life, i don't care about the looks, I care about performance... I've never used side windows on my case and I will not use it. Let's say it in this way... I don't care if the AquaComputer look so good and so sexy and my friends will try to steal it... Now I'll ask you again Will my system over perform a Danger Den or Swiftech system?. I want something that can stay on 25-30° on Idle and less than 40° on load.. Will it worth those 400$ ?

my best regards,
-Simon

 

[Top Nurse]

lol. So which is the Ford? I had an ML but the leather interior, the console swithes, and cup holders had to be constantly replaced...

Well that depends on what day you ask me. If I have have been pissing and moaning about Aquaero's then A-C is the Ford. Otherwise A-C is the MB

 

[Top Nurse]

WOW! I just got an email from Dan asking for my zip for shipping purposes! Has them in stock!

Well, speak of the Devil. I just got the email... cool.

I always hate being so cynical But why is it that Dan can't return any e-mails to people who want to know where the products are for stuff they have already paid for or even post to his own companies forum? However, he falls all over himself to send out e-mails to people who want to give him some more money? I have seen this kind of behaviour before having worked for many small companies in my lifetime. I know exactly what it means, but I don't have a problem ordering anything from SNT. However it would be on my terms only. The only way I would be willing to spend any money would be if they sent it out UPS COD so I know I will get what I paid for.

Now I suppose I will get the SNT gang over here hammering me again over this post, but I don't care if they yell to the high heavens to any moderator they can find. I got a good supply of Aqua Computer goods here on my desk and I know where to get more. So If I get banned from this forum so be it. I just see the writing on the wall and I hope my fellow [H] members can see it as well. If you don't then I can go to my grave saying I did what I thought best.

And that is my final thoughts on this matter because I got my metric hole saw today and the Aqua Computer stuff I forgot to order on the first Sharka shipment is coming in next week. So that means I will be busy assembling and modding my computer I got two Aquatubes going in, three radiators, and an Aquaero fully loaded. I'm putting in at least one Aquastream pump...maybe two depending how well one works or doesn't work because I have a lot of coolers going. My XT, Twinplex's x 3 for my NB and SLI GPU's, and three Koolance coolers for my hard drives. That makes 7 coolers and maybe eight if I decide to get a H20 cooled PSU. But seeing how I have a PCP&C 510 SLI I think that would be highly unlikely, but you never know when the crazy nurse from hell decides to take apart a computer.

 

[Top Nurse]

What you mean by one is mercedez and one is ford? Like one is from America and one is from Europe?...

i dont think ill get aquaero... so expensive .

In this point of my life, i don't care about the looks, I care about performance... I've never used side windows on my case and I will not use it. Let's say it in this way... I don't care if the AquaComputer look so good and so sexy and my friends will try to steal it... Now I'll ask you again Will my system over perform a Danger Den or Swiftech system?. I want something that can stay on 25-30° on Idle and less than 40° on load.. Will it worth those 400$ ?

Hi Simon...

It was just a simple analogy with the Ford/Mercedes thing. However, the A-C gear is an import as it comes from Germany. But what I really meant is that most any high quality water cooling rig you get will probably meet your needs. It's kind of like whether you want to drive a Ford Taurus to work or a Porsche 911 Carrera. Both will get you there, but the Porsche will get you there in style and probably a lot faster. It also has a certain status value as well. So only you can make decisions on esthetics and whether you wnat to drive a Ford or spend your money on a Porsche.

Now will it work "better" than a DD or Swiftech is something I can guess, but I can't tell you for certain because that would be blowing hot air up your arse. I can tell you that many of the people who are using A-C gear came from using Swiftech and DD high flow BIB equipment and find that they get just as good results from their computers using 6mm ID tubing with A-C gear. So will you be able to get 25-30 on idle is probably unlikely,but that is something that not many setups are capable of doing anyway. It is probably likely to get under 40 on load depending on what the ambient is of course. And of course it depends on how much juice you put into your processors and a host of other things beyond are control. Maybe you wil just get a screwed processor that runs hot as that has happened to me even with the best H20 cooling I could afford. The only thing we can do is to plan our rigs with the best stuff we can get and hope for the best.

But since you are planning on not getting the Aquaero I would suggest you go with the Eheim 1048. The Aquatube really is just for show if you get down to the brass tacks. It will not change your temps any. However, it does look cool with an Aquajet. The things that make a computer cool better than another are the radiator, pump, and the cooling blocks. The 1048 is a good pump, the XT block is right up there with the best of them, and the Evo 360 is a solid radiator design. If you want you could also do a BI Pro III with an A-C grill. Another item coming on to the market is the ThermoChill HE line of radiators which I saw today and it appears to be a car heater core already setup for using 120mm fans. I figure you could easily adapt the Evo Grill to fit it as well.

 

[Vlad335]

I would like to see a head to head review with an Aqua-computer set-up vs. DD big bore system or equivalent. As far as I know there is no such thing.

 

[Top Nurse]

I would like to see a head to head review with an Aqua-computer set-up vs. DD big bore system or equivalent. As far as I know there is no such thing.

I'm working Wes to get it done through PimpRig, [H]ardOCP, or ProCooling. He says he has a few more details to work out with Aqua Computer before it gets done. So soon...

We want the head to head with the typical A-C hardware in 6mm, 8mm, and 10mm ID tubing right?

 

[nigely]

Well, speak of the Devil. I just got the email... cool.

oh great, he is still around
he hasnt reply me since wed
i hope he will ship the stuff to me soon

 

[GokuSSL]

I talked to wes yesterday on the phone. He helped me with some cabling and a couple other things that were coming in. A++ service!! We talked for sometime about different water setups. Would and will shop again at sharka!

 

[R1ckCa1n]

I would like to see a head to head review with an Aqua-computer set-up vs. DD big bore system or equivalent. As far as I know there is no such thing.

There is not and would not be a good review. AC stuff is small tubing, ultra high looks while being very very quite. DD is about large tube with loud pumps and fans.

 

[simon27]

Hi Simon...

It was just a simple analogy with the Ford/Mercedes thing. However, the A-C gear is an import as it comes from Germany. But what I really meant is that most any high quality water cooling rig you get will probably meet your needs. It's kind of like whether you want to drive a Ford Taurus to work or a Porsche 911 Carrera. Both will get you there, but the Porsche will get you there in style and probably a lot faster. It also has a certain status value as well. So only you can make decisions on esthetics and whether you wnat to drive a Ford or spend your money on a Porsche.

Now will it work "better" than a DD or Swiftech is something I can guess, but I can't tell you for certain because that would be blowing hot air up your arse. I can tell you that many of the people who are using A-C gear came from using Swiftech and DD high flow BIB equipment and find that they get just as good results from their computers using 6mm ID tubing with A-C gear. So will you be able to get 25-30 on idle is probably unlikely,but that is something that not many setups are capable of doing anyway. It is probably likely to get under 40 on load depending on what the ambient is of course. And of course it depends on how much juice you put into your processors and a host of other things beyond are control. Maybe you wil just get a screwed processor that runs hot as that has happened to me even with the best H20 cooling I could afford. The only thing we can do is to plan our rigs with the best stuff we can get and hope for the best.

But since you are planning on not getting the Aquaero I would suggest you go with the Eheim 1048. The Aquatube really is just for show if you get down to the brass tacks. It will not change your temps any. However, it does look cool with an Aquajet. The things that make a computer cool better than another are the radiator, pump, and the cooling blocks. The 1048 is a good pump, the XT block is right up there with the best of them, and the Evo 360 is a solid radiator design. If you want you could also do a BI Pro III with an A-C grill. Another item coming on to the market is the ThermoChill HE line of radiators which I saw today and it appears to be a car heater core already setup for using 120mm fans. I figure you could easily adapt the Evo Grill to fit it as well.

Now I got you!

I am probably going now with AquaComputer...

This might be an stupid question, but what the Aquajet do in the aquatube?

Now after looking at SharkaCorp I have updated my setup... take a litle look!

CPU Block: Cuplex XT - 109.50
GPU Block: Twinplex - I have no idea :X
Pump: this was a [H]ard choice, because I don't know if in a "future" I'll get the Aquaero... What the aquero do?
Radiator: Airplex EVO 360 - 94.95 - Fan Grill - 33.95
Resevoir: Aquatube + Mounting Brackets + Aquajet: 92.85

 

[Aviddigi]

DD=apples AC=oranges of course a larger flow system will perform better. But i dont need a review to tell me how much more. My first couple of systems were all danger den, i like the builds but i will never use it again on my own rig. There are to many expansion aspects to the aquacomputer inventory and if that means my cpu and 6800s will run 5-6c higher, thats cool with me. Also pics will be up soon of my brand new never in the USA aqua_ _ _ _ _ _ , i cant tell you about it but its cool and is fresh off the boat ( plane ) from germany.

 

[tbooth]

Well, I decided to go ahead and order a Cuplex XT from Sharka. I am currently using the following to cool my CPU in an Antec 1030:

Swiftech MCP600 v2
Danger Den RBX
DTEK JR120 Heatercore
2x 120MM Fans in push/pull config
1/2" Clearflex tubing

I will be using the same CPU/Overclock with my AC stuff.

EVO 240
Aquastream
Cuplex XT
Plug and Cool tubing

I will post comparison temps once I get all my stuff and get it set up, should be about 2 weeks unless I get my package from Germany and Sharka by next weekend.

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Well, I decided to go ahead and order a Cuplex XT from Sharka. I am currently using the following to cool my CPU in an Antec 1030:

Swiftech MCP600 v2
Danger Den RBX
DTEK JR120 Heatercore
2x 120MM Fans in push/pull config
1/2" Clearflex tubing

I will be using the same CPU/Overclock with my AC stuff.

EVO 240
Aquastream
Cuplex XT
Plug and Cool tubing

I will post comparison temps once I get all my stuff and get it set up, should be about 2 weeks unless I get my package from Germany and Sharka by next weekend.

I would actually stay with the DTEK heatercore as it will not restrict your loop nearly as much as the 240 will. You will really like the AC stuff. I do recommend an Aquatube to go with the setup. Adds a ton to the looks!

 

[tbooth]

I would actually stay with the DTEK heatercore as it will not restrict your loop nearly as much as the 240 will. You will really like the AC stuff. I do recommend an Aquatube to go with the setup. Adds a ton to the looks!

I'll give the 240 a try and see how it performs, and I forgot to list the aquatube but I did order one . In fact, I think the aquatube is what made me want to try AC in the first place, it's just so cool looking.

 

[R1ckCa1n]

Also pics will be up soon of my brand new never in the USA aqua_ _ _ _ _ _ , i cant tell you about it but its cool and is fresh off the boat ( plane ) from germany.

.........

 

[R1ckCa1n]

I'll give the 240 a try and see how it performs, and I forgot to list the aquatube but I did order one . In fact, I think the aquatube is what made me want to try AC in the first place, it's just so cool looking.

If you plan to mount the aquatube vertically, get a aquajet. If you plan to do this below, it really isn't necessary.

 

[nikhsub1]

DD=apples AC=oranges of course a larger flow system will perform better. But i dont need a review to tell me how much more. My first couple of systems were all danger den, i like the builds but i will never use it again on my own rig. There are to many expansion aspects to the aquacomputer inventory and if that means my cpu and 6800s will run 5-6c higher, thats cool with me. Also pics will be up soon of my brand new never in the USA aqua_ _ _ _ _ _ , i cant tell you about it but its cool and is fresh off the boat ( plane ) from germany.

See now this a a smart man. The only thing AC and DD or any big bore DIY system have in common are that they use water, tubes, pumps and blocks. I am of the 'performance is king' attitude but I ABSOLUTELY respect the AC type systems. They just have different design goals and each meets their respective goals well. Sure a review could be done between the 2, but what is the point? Any decent big bore system 'should' outperform a smaller ID system but, the AC systems are generally quieter, very nice looking, and easy to manages the tubing.

The one thing that always irks me is when people of the performance minded bash AC systems and vice-versa, one is not wholly better than the other, it comes down to preference.

Anyway, it is nice to see such an interst (and huge thread) on AC.

 

[tbooth]

If you plan to mount the aquatube vertically, get a aquajet. If you plan to do this below, it really isn't necessary.

I did get an aquajet as well, and depending on where I put my radiator I will hopefully be mounting it vertically at the top of my case. Also got a couple LED modules (red and white). I hope the aquajet effect plus the LEDs will be as cool as I imagine it. Thanks for the pics.

 

[Top Nurse]

DD=apples AC=oranges of course a larger flow system will perform better. But i dont need a review to tell me how much more. My first couple of systems were all danger den, i like the builds but i will never use it again on my own rig. There are to many expansion aspects to the aquacomputer inventory and if that means my cpu and 6800s will run 5-6c higher, thats cool with me. Also pics will be up soon of my brand new never in the USA aqua_ _ _ _ _ _ , i cant tell you about it but its cool and is fresh off the boat ( plane ) from germany.

Did you get an Aquatube coolant sensor, Multi-Switch, Twinplex SLI, or one of the new DDC pumps? Come on and give! If you got a silver XT block I'm gonna be pissed because I ordered mine the day they were released for sale and they keep saying it's gonna be another week.

 

[Top Nurse]

The one thing that always irks me is when people of the performance minded bash AC systems and vice-versa, one is not wholly better than the other, it comes down to preference.

Well said! The issue I always try to point out is that while BIB will probably cool better it usually doesn't translate into anything perceptible for OC your box. The only time that is different is if you go to TEC's or phase change where the temps drop drastically.

 

[nikhsub1]

Well said! The issue I always try to point out is that while BIB will probably cool better it usually doesn't translate into anything perceptible for OC your box. The only time that is different is if you go to TEC's or phase change where the temps drop drastically.

Well, mostly. My rig is not your normal DIY though either, but, it cools better than most

 

[Top Nurse]

This might be an stupid question, but what the Aquajet do in the aquatube?

Now after looking at SharkaCorp I have updated my setup... take a litle look!

CPU Block: Cuplex XT - 109.50
GPU Block: Twinplex - I have no idea :X
Pump: this was a [H]ard choice, because I don't know if in a "future" I'll get the Aquaero... What the aquero do?
Radiator: Airplex EVO 360 - 94.95 - Fan Grill - 33.95
Resevoir: Aquatube + Mounting Brackets + Aquajet: 92.85

No stupid questions here just unasked ones The Aquatube performs two functions. First it keeps the mist or condensation off your plexi sight glass. It does this by shooting out your coolant onto the front plexi plate. It also performs an esthetic function as well because it makes the coolant jiggle around in a horizontal setup and act like a soda fountain in vertical setups.

The Aquaero is a state of the art fan controller that allows you to also monitor coolant temps and flow rates with optional components. You can tie a specific temp sensor to a particular fan or set of fans to respond to the programmed parameters you set. It also lets you see this and program it on either the units display or on your monitor. I believe the new Aqua Suite software will allow you to do graphs and export data into your Excel spreadsheet to get a better idea of system performance over a wide period of time.

The Twinplex prices should be up on the Sharka site by Monday along with the micro Aquadrives, faceplates, and other stuff they don't have up yet that is coming in next week per Wes.

 

[Top Nurse]

Well, mostly. My rig is not your normal DIY though either, but, it cools better than most

Mine isn't either. I like picking items from both sides of the camp.

 

[Vlad335]

See now this a a smart man. The only thing AC and DD or any big bore DIY system have in common are that they use water, tubes, pumps and blocks. I am of the 'performance is king' attitude but I ABSOLUTELY respect the AC type systems. They just have different design goals and each meets their respective goals well. Sure a review could be done between the 2, but what is the point? Any decent big bore system 'should' outperform a smaller ID system but, the AC systems are generally quieter, very nice looking, and easy to manages the tubing.

The one thing that always irks me is when people of the performance minded bash AC systems and vice-versa, one is not wholly better than the other, it comes down to preference.

Anyway, it is nice to see such an interst (and huge thread) on AC.

Everyone says that BIB will out perform AC. Granted, it seems this is true but by how much? Nobody knows? However, I do see posts that a DD system vs. AC will not translate into higher overclocks. How is this out performing the Aqua-computer gear then? Isnt overclocking the reason the performance crowd is using water?

I don't think a review is pointless. It needs to be done and we need to see how these systems stack up by a non biased reviewer. I would like to see the [H] do this.

I was on the Xoxide forum a couple months ago and suggested that maybe they carry AC and got absolutely flamed by everyone including the moderators. Basically their mindset is any system that uses less than 12mm tubing is total shit! Some real jagoffs over there.

I developed an interst in watercooling when I started to see the AC stuff a couple of months ago. Lets face it. Looks are important to many people who watercool. I'd say 95% of the watercooled cases I have seen have side windows and lights. Why is that? So they can tell and show everyone they are watercooling computers. Be honest with yourselves. Personally, I have an Aquatube in an Aquabay with an LED. How is this enhancing my performance?

Wouldn't it be interesting if the big bore stuff didn't really outperform AC?

 

[Top Nurse]

oh great, he is still around
he hasnt reply me since wed
i hope he will ship the stuff to me soon

I saw your post on the SNT forum. Perhaps you got it wrong? I don't believe that they carry PolarFlo in stock. They take orders and have it shipped direct from PolarFlo and they have them in stock. There is absolutely no reason for PolarFlo to ship a pump to SNT first so if it is coming it should be to you by Monday or Tuesday at the latest.