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School Punishing Students For Refusing RFID Tracking

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Home-schooling? ;)
We have a winner!
At least then you know your childen aren't being dumbed down and given an agenda driven "education" to turn them into obedient little drones.


No tinfoil was harmed during the writing of this post.
 
I also don't suspect I will be working for 70 years.

Well, our generation certainly won't be able to retire at 65 like our parents and grandparents. Working for 70 years may be a stretch, but is probably less far fetched than you think.
 
RFID technology is the biggest piece-of-crap technology ever created. There are more security holes in it than Yahoo!. It's no wonder a major retailer scrapped the idea of forcing suppliers to implement the technology. Live and learn.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039219628 said:
Well, our generation certainly won't be able to retire at 65 like our parents and grandparents. Working for 70 years may be a stretch, but is probably less far fetched than you think.

The further insult to this is I just happened to look at my pay stub and realized I am getting bilked out of $250 per paycheck for social security...something that likely won't exist for me or in any amount to pay me back the retarded amounts of money I have paid into it involuntarily.

Back on topic.

Technology in schools in respect to this. No, sorry. Sounds like an excuse for staff to not do their damn job and there are flatly too many flaws and security holes. I would be throwing a fit the likes of which has never been seen if they tried implementing that garbage in my kids school. Fortunately they are in private now and I don't have to deal with teachers and staff who are idiots.
 
In Texas, the law states that you must teach "good citizenship", which is the indoctrination that I was talking about earlier.

Well, if you feel that is unacceptable indoctrination, you can always move to a country that likes 'bad citizenship', such as mexico.
 
I work with engineers on a daily basis. You guys are usually socially stunted :p

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I had no idea we were RFID tracking kids in schools.

Now that I know, I wish I didn't.

Gotta get the cattle used to be tracked all day every day from cradle to grave huh?

No one believes that freedom and liberty are worth it anymore? A child's safety is now worth giving up their privacy to government? Notice I didn't say giving up a child's privacy to their PARENTS which is only proper. I said giving up a child's privacy to the GOVERNMENT. There is a world of difference.

When I was born and during my childhood I didn't even need a social security number. You didn't have to get one until you began to work. In my case, that wasn't until 18. Which meant my parents had the option of not letting government track me at all until I registered to vote and for selective service.

I'm still in my 30s. Not old at all. Even at my age, it would have been open revolt if a public school tried to track a child's every move inside the school. It would have been considered an absurd notion. And anyone who seriously tried it, evil.

This was just 20 years ago.

Gee, the world has been fine for thousands of years without government TRACKING children.

We havn't obtained any special enlightenment in the last 20 years either that makes us any more wise now than we were then about these issues. We are however, far more used to being enslaved than were were. Much more malleable and far less independent.

Lord knows, there's no possible abuses of this system and that teachers and govt employees are paragons of purity and trustworthyness.
 
I had no idea we were RFID tracking kids in schools.

Now that I know, I wish I didn't.

Gotta get the cattle used to be tracked all day every day from cradle to grave huh?

No one believes that freedom and liberty are worth it anymore? A child's safety is now worth giving up their privacy to government? Notice I didn't say giving up a child's privacy to their PARENTS which is only proper. I said giving up a child's privacy to the GOVERNMENT. There is a world of difference.

When I was born and during my childhood I didn't even need a social security number. You didn't have to get one until you began to work. In my case, that wasn't until 18. Which meant my parents had the option of not letting government track me at all until I registered to vote and for selective service.

I'm still in my 30s. Not old at all. Even at my age, it would have been open revolt if a public school tried to track a child's every move inside the school. It would have been considered an absurd notion. And anyone who seriously tried it, evil.

This was just 20 years ago.

Gee, the world has been fine for thousands of years without government TRACKING children.

We havn't obtained any special enlightenment in the last 20 years either that makes us any more wise now than we were then about these issues. We are however, far more used to being enslaved than were were. Much more malleable and far less independent.

Lord knows, there's no possible abuses of this system and that teachers and govt employees are paragons of purity and trustworthyness.

I just read your post in Stephen Colbert's voice.
 
First I am going a bit off-topic:

Show me the FACT where science has proved one species evolved into another species.

LOL!

You need to seperate micro evolution from macro evolution. Changes within species is provable.

The difference between micro-evolution and macro-evolution is time.

E.g if you have nine million 'micro-evolution' occurrences how different would you be?

I don't get how you can accept micro but not macro-evolution.

Changes that turn one species into another species has not been proven, and is nothing more than guess work.

Lol, here is a simple example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensatina

On-Topic:

While I don't get the 1984 vibe from this, I don't know why they would bother upsetting people for no good reason, children have mostly been fine with the traditional methods of taking the roll in the morning.

Like others have said it seems like the school is going to get kickbacks for implementing this system. If true it makes this whole thing even worse and kind of makes my blood boil a little bit.

Hopefully Australia won't be it's normal stupid self and follow suit with every stupid thing the US does.
 
Meh, I wish I would have stayed in Germany and went to school there. It's painful how shitty it is here in the US. I hate being in a school with a bunch of people who are so stupid.
Not all schools are the same. If you're in an area that is zoned to a uhmm "urban" demographic, then expect low scores on averages and quite a few kids that herp the derp.

The best is to move to an asian neighborhood. About half my class was asian, and taken as a whole you get a much better and more serious student body. On the downside, you might be valedictorian in any other school, but in that one you may struggle to stay in the top 25%, lol!
 
I had no idea we were RFID tracking kids in schools.

Now that I know, I wish I didn't.

Gotta get the cattle used to be tracked all day every day from cradle to grave huh?

No one believes that freedom and liberty are worth it anymore? A child's safety is now worth giving up their privacy to government? Notice I didn't say giving up a child's privacy to their PARENTS which is only proper. I said giving up a child's privacy to the GOVERNMENT. There is a world of difference.

When I was born and during my childhood I didn't even need a social security number. You didn't have to get one until you began to work. In my case, that wasn't until 18. Which meant my parents had the option of not letting government track me at all until I registered to vote and for selective service.

I'm still in my 30s. Not old at all. Even at my age, it would have been open revolt if a public school tried to track a child's every move inside the school. It would have been considered an absurd notion. And anyone who seriously tried it, evil.

This was just 20 years ago.

Gee, the world has been fine for thousands of years without government TRACKING children.

We havn't obtained any special enlightenment in the last 20 years either that makes us any more wise now than we were then about these issues. We are however, far more used to being enslaved than were were. Much more malleable and far less independent.

Lord knows, there's no possible abuses of this system and that teachers and govt employees are paragons of purity and trustworthyness.
Excellent point, and yet so many people will still fail to see (often through willful ignorance) the writing on the wall about the direction things are headed, and many will even defend this human enslavement right to the end.

To add to your post, for the longest time we didn't need marriage licenses that sign over ownership of our children and property to the government as well as give them. Not to mention that you're now a bigomist because you're not only married to your spouse, but you're also married to the government as well...imagine creepy gov't officials in bed with you at night, and being left alone with your children. Not a pleasant thought is it? Alright, enough of that nightmare.

Look at it this way; the government made marriage illegal so they could then tell you that if you pay them money (bribe) they'll turn their backs and give you a permit that allows you to break the law that they just said was illegal.

How many other things have they done/do they do this with to make the freely done a pay only option? I'm saying that gov't worms it's way into our lives and takes control in ways we're not even aware of, and they use means that seem so minor, innocent and safe. How many times have we heard the oh so common power grab phrase, "but it's for the children!"? So many crappy thing the gov't does start out with "good intention". We need to wake up and smell the corruption people!
 
I had no idea we were RFID tracking kids in schools.
Are we though? Or do their student ID cards simply have an RFID chip in it with near field communication similar to credit cards that they swipe over a scanner for attendance?

At this point with all the rage garble rage rage I would like to know the system the school uses before getting our constitutional panties in a twist. I mean the fact alone someone was quoted in saying your kids could be tracked off school grounds pretty much questions every bit of "fact" in that story, and seriously ranks up there with the little strip in money actually being a tracking device.
 
Are we though? Or do their student ID cards simply have an RFID chip in it with near field communication similar to credit cards that they swipe over a scanner for attendance?

At this point with all the rage garble rage rage I would like to know the system the school uses before getting our constitutional panties in a twist. I mean the fact alone someone was quoted in saying your kids could be tracked off school grounds pretty much questions every bit of "fact" in that story, and seriously ranks up there with the little strip in money actually being a tracking device.

They really should just chip them like we do cat's and dogs, and then install RFID doorway scanners in every door, and have a computer system that can tell you where every kid is in the school at any given time.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220673 said:
They really should just chip them like we do cat's and dogs, and then install RFID doorway scanners in every door, and have a computer system that can tell you where every kid is in the school at any given time.

Shhhhhh ... you'll grab the attention of all the religious types (the Mark of the Beast) and the Tin Foil types (who already thing our money is tracking us) :D
 
No one believes that freedom and liberty are worth it anymore? A child's safety is now worth giving up their privacy to government? Notice I didn't say giving up a child's privacy to their PARENTS which is only proper. I said giving up a child's privacy to the GOVERNMENT. There is a world of difference.

Freedom and liberty are not just worth it, but ESSENTIAL...

...for adults.

Kids and teens need to be monitored every second, and giving them any level of privacy is just asking for trouble.


When the kids are in school, the teachers and school officials are the authority figures. They are - in a way - the substitute parents.

A parent can't follow a kid every day at school. No parent - unless they home school - can.

This level of monitoring and control is required to keep them out of trouble.

The frontal lobe of the brain is only fully developed by age 25. Before that age, you can't trust anyone to make rational, sane decisions. Because of this, constant monitoring and control is necessary, and because the schools are so underfunded these days, they are looking for tech to make it cheaper to do with fewer people.

I think we can all agree that it would be better to monitor kids with actual adults, but in this political climate, funding extra people in schools is going to be a non-starter.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220683 said:
Freedom and liberty are not just worth it, but ESSENTIAL...

...for adults.

Kids and teens need to be monitored every second, and giving them any level of privacy is just asking for trouble.


When the kids are in school, the teachers and school officials are the authority figures. They are - in a way - the substitute parents.

A parent can't follow a kid every day at school. No parent - unless they home school - can.

This level of monitoring and control is required to keep them out of trouble.

The frontal lobe of the brain is only fully developed by age 25. Before that age, you can't trust anyone to make rational, sane decisions. Because of this, constant monitoring and control is necessary, and because the schools are so underfunded these days, they are looking for tech to make it cheaper to do with fewer people.

I think we can all agree that it would be better to monitor kids with actual adults, but in this political climate, funding extra people in schools is going to be a non-starter.

I hope you're kidding or trolling. If you're not I'd hate to be your kid. I grew up spending my summer days playing in the woods. I'd leave after breakfast and come back after dark. I lived through it without supervision. You don't grow up and emotionally develop when being coddled by adults, you grow up on your own when you are alone and when you have to.

This has never been more clear to me than now. I'm 31 and in law school. There are a couple of girls that have spent their lives in church and being taken care of by their parents. They are the emotional maturity level of a high school sophomore. They still gasp when someone says the f word. Hell, some of the teachers curse in class just to try and get them to grow the hell up a tiny little bit.

You'd be a helicopter parent and someone needs to shoot you down.
 
They are NOT YOUR CHILDREN. You should not be imposing anything like this on someone elses children without the parents permission. Who the fuck do you think you are?

They think they are the parents while your child is at school. Because they are in Texas.

Zarathustra[H];1039220683 said:
When the kids are in school, the teachers and school officials are the authority figures. They are - in a way - the substitute parents.
.

A very specific way in Texas. Texas law makes teachers and school admins in loco parentis for all students.
 
I hope you're kidding or trolling. If you're not I'd hate to be your kid. I grew up spending my summer days playing in the woods. I'd leave after breakfast and come back after dark. I lived through it without supervision. You don't grow up and emotionally develop when being coddled by adults, you grow up on your own when you are alone and when you have to.

This has never been more clear to me than now. I'm 31 and in law school. There are a couple of girls that have spent their lives in church and being taken care of by their parents. They are the emotional maturity level of a high school sophomore. They still gasp when someone says the f word. Hell, some of the teachers curse in class just to try and get them to grow the hell up a tiny little bit.

You'd be a helicopter parent and someone needs to shoot you down.

You are a failure as a parent if you don't know where your child is, who they are with and what they are doing, every second of every day.

That doesn't mean you don't let them be themselves. You just have to be able to step in when needed, not as much to protect them from outside dangers, but to protect them from themselves, and to prevent them from developing into juvenile delinquents.

The reason we have so many gang kiddies, violent fights, shop lifters, etc. etc. is because we have too many passive, uninvolved parents, who don't keep track of their kids.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220683 said:
Freedom and liberty are not just worth it, but ESSENTIAL...

...for adults.

Kids and teens need to be monitored every second, and giving them any level of privacy is just asking for trouble.


When the kids are in school, the teachers and school officials are the authority figures. They are - in a way - the substitute parents.

A parent can't follow a kid every day at school. No parent - unless they home school - can.

This level of monitoring and control is required to keep them out of trouble.

The frontal lobe of the brain is only fully developed by age 25. Before that age, you can't trust anyone to make rational, sane decisions. Because of this, constant monitoring and control is necessary, and because the schools are so underfunded these days, they are looking for tech to make it cheaper to do with fewer people.

I think we can all agree that it would be better to monitor kids with actual adults, but in this political climate, funding extra people in schools is going to be a non-starter.
You are absolutely wrong in every single way that matters.

Children that are constantly monitored and raised to follow authority figures no matter how ridiculous or asinine the rules are will grow up to be ADULTS who follow ridiculous rules. Who do not question authority. Who think it is perfectly normal to be monitored every single second of every single day. And when those Adults think it's normal, imagine how much more the government can get away with for their children?
 
You are absolutely wrong in every single way that matters.

Children that are constantly monitored and raised to follow authority figures no matter how ridiculous or asinine the rules are will grow up to be ADULTS who follow ridiculous rules. Who do not question authority. Who think it is perfectly normal to be monitored every single second of every single day. And when those Adults think it's normal, imagine how much more the government can get away with for their children?

This. A thousand times this. Children are not your toys or possessions, nor are they objects to be controlled. You can, of course, control them pretty extensively, until they tell you to go to hell and never speak with you again.

The sort of kids Zarathustra advocates raising are the sort of people that honestly believe that things like a statutory crime are the equal of a moral crime. There was some guy on here that once argued to me that a traffic violation was as bad as robbery and by extension much worse crimes like rape or murder. Must have been Zarathustra's kid!
 
You are absolutely wrong in every single way that matters.

Children that are constantly monitored and raised to follow authority figures no matter how ridiculous or asinine the rules are will grow up to be ADULTS who follow ridiculous rules. Who do not question authority. Who think it is perfectly normal to be monitored every single second of every single day. And when those Adults think it's normal, imagine how much more the government can get away with for their children?

This may work in a rural setting where there is relatively little for them to get in trouble with. Less than 16% of people in the U.S. live in rural settings these days.

Most others realize the errors in "freedom" parenting when one of the following occurs:
- Finding cigarettes/dip/cigars or alcohol on their 12 year old
- Having to pick up their 12 year old at the police station
- Their precious, innocent 14 year old daughter starts developing a bit of a belly...

Don't get me wrong, you don't have to keep them within view at all times, but you have to ask questions. "Where are you going, with whom, what are you going to be doing, call me if you go somewhere else, etc. etc., and check up on them every now and then.

Not doing this is being an irresponsible parent.

If your kid leaves the house, and you don't know where they are all day, that's a problem. Borderline child abuse, IMHO.
 
If people read the studies on the brain not developing until 25 it clearly indicates the folks under 25 have two high risk areas ... their risk/reward circuits aren't fully developed (they are much more likely to engage in risky behaviors to see if there is a reward) ... they are much more susceptible to peer pressure (they are more likely to engage in risky behaviors when they are with two or more peers than when they are alone) ... because of this it is reasonable for a parent who wishes their child to reach 25 to ask questions concerning their child's behavior and expect their children to operate within certain agreed boundaries (curfew, call home, etc) ... these are preparing kids to serve in the Oligarchy ... it is to attempt and make sure your kids actually make it to 25 alive and without penalties incurred in their youth ;)
 
these are preparing kids to serve in the Oligarchy ... it is to attempt and make sure your kids actually make it to 25 alive and without penalties incurred in their youth ;)

I meant these are NOT preparing kids ... not a Freudian slip ... I promise :D
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220780 said:
Don't get me wrong, you don't have to keep them within view at all times, but you have to ask questions. "Where are you going, with whom, what are you going to be doing, call me if you go somewhere else, etc. etc., and check up on them every now and then.
Do you even read your own ramblings?
You JUST said
Zarathustra[H];1039220731 said:
You are a failure as a parent if you don't know where your child is, who they are with and what they are doing, every second of every day.
Every second of every day? Then you flip flop and say "you don't have to keep them within view at all times"
:rolleyes:

Children should be GUIDED. They should be shown how to behave and given enough freedom to LEARN what is acceptable in our society. Children make mistakes, it's part of being a child and learning from those mistakes to become a better human being.
Trying to control children and make every decision for them will result in an Adult who has no idea how to function around people or make their own decisions. Congratulations, you've just raised a robot and not a human being.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220731 said:
You are a failure as a parent if you don't know where your child is, who they are with and what they are doing, every second of every day.
Big brother would like to thank you citizen!

You see, parents do not *own* their children, nor are they even responsible for them. These future citizens are rather temporarily loaned to you by the government, so that you may properly train them. This is a great honor- the responsibility of raising future soldiers and factory workers. These future citizens will operate well in the great machine, doing exactly what they are told, when they are told. Your viewpoint is admirable and correct, in that you must know what they are doing at all times, in the same way Big Brother knows what all of his citizens are doing, at all times. How else can we prevail in our war against Eurasia without this eternal vigilance? How else can we prevent the subtle and evil threat of thought crime? Eternal vigilance citizen.

Your ration of chocolate is doubled as a reward. May you continue to have more children for the future service of the government.

Signed,
Officer of Goodthink - Minitruth

That doesn't mean you don't let them be themselves. You just have to be able to step in when needed, not as much to protect them from outside dangers, but to protect them from themselves, and to prevent them from developing into juvenile delinquents.
Step in when needed is not the same as watching them 24/7. When you are made aware of trouble, deal with it.

The reason we have so many gang kiddies, violent fights, shop lifters, etc. etc. is because we have too many passive, uninvolved parents, who don't keep track of their kids.
Yes, too many parents have NO interest in their kids, but being a helicopter parent is almost as dangerous! Find a comfortable balance! Kids need their space to be kids! Hell, most of the kids my generation (40) when we were 5 years old, our parents just said "be back by dark and don't get into trouble" - and that was it. We knew what trouble was, and we had our asses home by dark or we got in deep shit. We had boundaries, but lots of space within those boundaries to be kids!!!!

I weep for the future generation.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220683 said:
Freedom and liberty are not just worth it, but ESSENTIAL...

...for adults.

So, if we make kids work hard labor, say, 11 hours a day with no water, that's just fine and dandy because they don't deserve freedom and liberty?

Kids and teens need to be monitored every second, and giving them any level of privacy is just asking for trouble.

Not possible.

When the kids are in school, the teachers and school officials are the authority figures. They are - in a way - the substitute parents.

And this is a large part of the problem. Do you vet the teachers before you let them parent your children? They are total strangers. How do you know they aren't pedophiles? How do you know they are competent?

This level of monitoring and control is required to keep them out of trouble.

The frontal lobe of the brain is only fully developed by age 25. Before that age, you can't trust anyone to make rational, sane decisions. Because of this, constant monitoring and control is necessary, and because the schools are so underfunded these days, they are looking for tech to make it cheaper to do with fewer people.

This is a fairly typical statist argument. The state has been retarding the age of maturity for centuries, ever increasing the age at which someone is considered an adult so that they can indoctrinate people for ever so much longer.

The fact that the frontal lobe of the brain may not be developed (and it is certainly not the same with everyone) fully does not mean that the individual in question is not capable of making sane and rational decisions; the argument that you propose is a false dichotomy. It is certainly not a justification for treating a human like cattle. I would also point out that the same arguments that you just made were also used to justify slavery.

I think we can all agree that it would be better to monitor kids with actual adults, but in this political climate, funding extra people in schools is going to be a non-starter.

No.


Zarathustra[H];1039220731 said:
You are a failure as a parent if you don't know where your child is, who they are with and what they are doing, every second of every day.

Then everyone is a failure of a parent. It is physically impossible to know, at every single second, where your children are.

The reason we have so many gang kiddies, violent fights, shop lifters, etc. etc. is because we have too many passive, uninvolved parents, who don't keep track of their kids.

The reason that we have so much of this is because children are oppressed by the state and are not given a chance to grow and develop. Eventually, they end up taking out their anger on innocents. It is no secret that the highest crime rates happen to be in the bastions of liberalism (e.g Chicago and Detroit) in which obedience to the state takes the highest priority.

Excellent point, and yet so many people will still fail to see (often through willful ignorance) the writing on the wall about the direction things are headed, and many will even defend this human enslavement right to the end.

To add to your post, for the longest time we didn't need marriage licenses that sign over ownership of our children and property to the government as well as give them. Not to mention that you're now a bigomist because you're not only married to your spouse, but you're also married to the government as well...imagine creepy gov't officials in bed with you at night, and being left alone with your children. Not a pleasant thought is it? Alright, enough of that nightmare.

Look at it this way; the government made marriage illegal so they could then tell you that if you pay them money (bribe) they'll turn their backs and give you a permit that allows you to break the law that they just said was illegal.

How many other things have they done/do they do this with to make the freely done a pay only option? I'm saying that gov't worms it's way into our lives and takes control in ways we're not even aware of, and they use means that seem so minor, innocent and safe. How many times have we heard the oh so common power grab phrase, "but it's for the children!"? So many crappy thing the gov't does start out with "good intention". We need to wake up and smell the corruption people!

I'm not about to ask a gang of criminal thieves for permission to marry.
 
i'd just toss the card in the microwave, nuke for 5 seconds, then toss in wallet/purse and forget about it, until i get called as to why it is not working, i'd produce the card and go, no idea why not working. get new card, proceed to nuke that card...rinse repeat until they give up, i'd also tell all my friends to put their cards in the microwave for 5 seconds....

until it got too expensive to continue to use. having to replace a few hundred cards a week, while individually does not cost much, adds up.
 
i'd just toss the card in the microwave, nuke for 5 seconds, then toss in wallet/purse and forget about it, until i get called as to why it is not working, i'd produce the card and go, no idea why not working. get new card, proceed to nuke that card...rinse repeat until they give up, i'd also tell all my friends to put their cards in the microwave for 5 seconds....

until it got too expensive to continue to use. having to replace a few hundred cards a week, while individually does not cost much, adds up.

And again.. where the hell did the idea that destruction of property is an acceptable way to protest? Yet one more sign how our our children are being raised to see violence and destruction as a common, even encouraged, form of protest :rolleyes:
 
Do you even read your own ramblings?
You JUST said

Every second of every day? Then you flip flop and say "you don't have to keep them within view at all times"
:rolleyes:

Children should be GUIDED. They should be shown how to behave and given enough freedom to LEARN what is acceptable in our society. Children make mistakes, it's part of being a child and learning from those mistakes to become a better human being.
Trying to control children and make every decision for them will result in an Adult who has no idea how to function around people or make their own decisions. Congratulations, you've just raised a robot and not a human being.


I don't see the problem. and any conflict between my two statements. You are looking for something that doesn't exist.

Yes, you need to be aware of where they are, who they are with and what they are doing at all times.

This doesn't mean you have to have them within view. There are such things as communication. You have to be ready to check things out if they sound fishy though.
 
Zarathustra[H];1039220889 said:
I don't see the problem. and any conflict between my two statements. You are looking for something that doesn't exist.
then don't make statements you aren't willing to backup.
If you don't see the problem of saying one thing then 10 minutes later saying something completely different you shouldn't be saying anything at all.
 
Disappointing how easily you accept human tracking for the sake ofconveneience. Perhaps you have slurped at the trough of personal information (trading eyeballs for $) for too long and have lost perspective.

In the context of a school, how is the use of RFID tags any different from taking attendance?

It keeps track of what room the kid is in inside the building, but can't track them one they leave the school at the end of the day.

I sort of agree that this has more to do with some kids not wanting to be held accountable for skipping class than it does with any sort of privacy issue. It would be different if we were talking about GPS tracking anklets like they make parolees wear.
 
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