RTX 3xxx performance speculation

[Decko]

To most people, the model number is utterly meaningless. The might look at a couple of reviews when they buy something and pick one from the review and then promptly forget the largely irrelevant model number.

They aren't nerds who follows generations of videocards looking for a commonality of a couple of digits between then generation and then moaning when the those digits in the model cost more.

Maybe that was AMDs master naming plan. Keep changing names so the Model Number nerds can't figure out what they should be complaining about.

R9 Fury ->RX 580 -> Vega 64 -> Radeon VII -> RX 5700 How am I supposed to know if I should be complaining about price increases if they keep changing the naming scheme?

That was ancillary portion of post, or at least it was supposed to be. The idea is the position the cards are supposed to take, not the naming conventions. I'm more concerned with there being this divide between high end cards and everything else. If the 3060 is now low high end, there'll likely be fewer good mid ranged options where you get any kind of real return generation over generation. I just think it's a bad place for consumers to be in where there's now essentially 5+ high end skus at the beginning of a line up.


Also if you want to be pedantic about it, it's not hard to figure out AMDs naming conventions up until vega. 200 series through the 500 series were consistent. 280 -> 580 were all mid-range. Until they decided to get weird with the 590, vega, and rdna it was fairly straight forward.

 

[GoldenTiger]

I’m not even sure if this will fit in my case. Looks really big. You can never have enough surface area for a cooler though. I hope it is reasonably quiet.

Won't fit in my fractal define r3. 11" max.

 

[the901]

I’m not even sure if this will fit in my case. Looks really big. You can never have enough surface area for a cooler though. I hope it is reasonably quiet.

I just measured. It won't fit with my radiator in there.

 

[Nightfire]

I just measured. It won't fit with my radiator in there.

Won't fit in my fractal define r3. 11" max.

At some point you just have to go AiO akin to the 295x2. Even if it does fit, that is a lot of heat blasting inside your case.

 

[Laffles]

Everyone's just gonna have to get creative with PCIE riser cables

 

[Nightfire]

That was ancillary portion of post, or at least it was supposed to be. The idea is the position the cards are supposed to take, not the naming conventions. I'm more concerned with there being this divide between high end cards and everything else. If the 3060 is now low high end, there'll likely be fewer good mid ranged options where you get any kind of real return generation over generation. I just think it's a bad place for consumers to be in where there's now essentially 5+ high end skus at the beginning of a line up.

Mid-range, upper mid-range, lower high end... these are rather arbitrary terms. Keep in mind, there will be at some point 1660ti, 1660s, 1660, and 1650s-like replacements. These will fill out the midrange and mainstream options. Hopefully they are called xx50, xx40, xx30, etc instead of the weird scheme they used last time.

Can we stop with the "well thats the way it has been, so lets keep doing that way" attitude? PC hardware has had some terrible naming conventions lately. Its ok to make changes.

 

[lopoetve]

Rumor: GeForce RTX 3090 Pricing to Arrive Around the $2,000 Mark
30% doa. 50% I’d buy.

If this is true, is this card DOA even if it's a 50 % bump in performance? Or are there enough people willing to drop that kind of cash? I think if it's only 30 % it's DOA. That is of course, this rumor is true, knowing Nvidia, I don't doubt it.

 

[Starfalcon]

That one heck of a long boi. At least if I decide to get one of these I have plenty of room for it in my Lian-Li tower.

 

[German Muscle]

uhg screw those prices, horrible, 400 dollars for a 60 series is insane

Umm What?

Here is from 10 series up to those alleged prices to put it into perspective.
1060 $299 - 2060 $349(+16.73%) - 2060 Super $399(+14.33%) - 3060 $400(+0%)
1070 $379 - 2070 $599(+58.05%) - 2070 Super $499(-16.69%) - 3070 $600(+20.25%)
1080 $599 - 2080 $799(+33.39%) - 2080 Super $699(-12.51%) - 3080 $800(+14.45%)
1080TI $699 - 2080TI $1199(+71.54%) --------------------------------- 3090 $1400(+16.77%)
Titan X/XP $1200 - Titan V $2999(+149.92%) - RTX Titan $2499(-16.67%)

I’m not even sure if this will fit in my case. Looks really big. You can never have enough surface area for a cooler though. I hope it is reasonably quiet.

AIB cards will though.

 

[Nenu]

I just measured. It won't fit with my radiator in there.

Come on guys, cant you tell its a wind up?

 

[Nenu]

Umm What?

Here is from 10 series up to those alleged prices to put it into perspective.
1060 $299 - 2060 $349(+16.73%) - 2060 Super $399(+14.33%) - 3060 $400(+0%)
1070 $379 - 2070 $599(+58.05%) - 2070 Super $499(-16.69%) - 3070 $600(+20.25%)
1080 $599 - 2080 $799(+33.39%) - 2080 Super $699(-12.51%) - 3080 $800(+14.45%)
1080TI $699 - 2080TI $1199(+71.54%) --------------------------------- 3090 $1400(+16.77%)
Titan X/XP $1200 - RTX Titan $2499(+208.25%)


AIB cards will though.

psst, your Titan figure would be +108.25%.

 

[Pulsar]

Umm What?

Here is from 10 series up to those alleged prices to put it into perspective.
1060 $299 - 2060 $349(+16.73%) - 2060 Super $399(+14.33%) - 3060 $400(+0%)
1070 $379 - 2070 $599(+58.05%) - 2070 Super $499(-16.69%) - 3070 $600(+20.25%)
1080 $599 - 2080 $799(+33.39%) - 2080 Super $699(-12.51%) - 3080 $800(+14.45%)
1080TI $699 - 2080TI $1199(+71.54%) --------------------------------- 3090 $1400(+16.77%)
Titan X/XP $1200 - RTX Titan $2499(+208.25%)


AIB cards will though.

You forgot about the $3000 Titan V

 

[Ready4Dis]

IMO pricing determines class, not the name. People will be looking for cards in their price range. Not cards with a certain number on them.

Well, here's to hoping a $150 3030, $200 3040 and
a $300 3050 willl all make an appearance then .

 

[DejaWiz]

Well, here's to hoping a $150 3030, $200 3040 and
a $300 3050 willl all make an appearance then .

Remember when the 750Ti launched at around $150 six years ago?

Adjusted for inflation, that would be around $165, today.

My opinion: if nVidia is still using their numbering convention to identify product tiers that they, themselves, implemented many generations ago, then they aren't "arbitrary". It just means that nVidia is milking their customers for every penny that they can. Their company, their products, their pricing. If they feel that the demand is there to be able to justify these higher prices, then they are at liberty to do so. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it or like it.

I've stated this before (probably in this thread): around a 30% performance gain is paltry for the price increases that nVidia is inflicting upon their customers. If they are going to be charging a lot more, then they better be delivering a lot more.

 

[Deleted whining member 223597]

RT hardware added to the cost, while I personally found it mostly useless it makes it understandable why the cost went up quite a bit compared to the 10 series. I'm not sure a massive price increase with the new generation is justified unless yields are terrible.

If your new 3060 performs roughly the same as the previous 2070 but costs the same, what exactly is the point?

 

[the901]

Come on guys, cant you tell its a wind up?

We'll see.

 

[Nenu]

We'll see.

The longest card I have ever seen is fitted in my machine and is a lot smaller.
Its a 1080ti with an Accelero Xtreme III cooler.
I've fitted numerous Accelero Xtreme III and IV coolers to different cards and a each time I had to cut a small part out of the drive bays to get them to fit.

There is zero chance they will create a card longer than this, it will be slightly smaller so drive bays do not need to be cut or removed.
They would be utterly foolish to create a card that restricts their sales to huge internal volume cases.

 

[Snowdog]

The largest card I have ever seen is fitted in my machine and is a lot smaller.
Its a 1080ti with an Accelero Xtreme III cooler.
I've fitted numerous Accelero Xtreme III and IV coolers to different cards and a each time I have had to cut a small part out of the drive bays to get them to fit.
There is zero chance they will create a card this long, it will be slightly smaller so drive bays do not need to be cut or removed.

They would be utterly foolish to create a card that restricts their sales to huge internal volume cases.

The First party reference designs tend to be much more compact than AIB designs, so something this monstrous as a NVidia FE card would really be out of character.

Maybe x90 really means dual GPU again.

 

[the901]

The longest card I have ever seen is fitted in my machine and is a lot smaller.
Its a 1080ti with an Accelero Xtreme III cooler.
I've fitted numerous Accelero Xtreme III and IV coolers to different cards and a each time I had to cut a small part out of the drive bays to get them to fit.

There is zero chance they will create a card longer than this, it will be slightly smaller so drive bays do not need to be cut or removed.
They would be utterly foolish to create a card that restricts their sales to huge internal volume cases.

I agree with you that it would be foolish. I'm not convinced it will fit in my case.

 

[MangoSeed]

RT hardware added to the cost, while I personally found it mostly useless it makes it understandable why the cost went up quite a bit compared to the 10 series. I'm not sure a massive price increase with the new generation is justified unless yields are terrible.

If your new 3060 performs roughly the same as the previous 2070 but costs the same, what exactly is the point?

It would be nice if model numbers and prices stayed the same each generation but that’s not going to happen for a few reasons.

1) The price of “good enough” is falling too fast. A $150 1650 super can play most popular games just fine at 1080p. That used to be the domain of x60 parts. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the 3050 is $250 if it’s still “good enough” for new games. The recent enthusiast focus on 4K and ultra wide resolutions has distracted from the fact that most people are still happily gaming at 1080p.

2) The same people shelling out big bucks for high end monitors aren’t going to blink at Nvidia’s prices. The 38 inchers everyone is so excited about are $1000+ and forever out of stock. Nvidia will keep going after that market as long as they keep spending.

3) Even if the 3060 has comparable raster performance to the 2070 it will likely be better in some other way. This is quite normal for many products e.g. av receivers where baseline performance is similar for years and niche features are tacked on every year that you may not necessarily care about. So technically you’re getting more for the same money but may not see it that way.

4) Manufacturing these things is getting more expensive. It’s not like the old days where you just shrink the same design over and over. Chiplets and RT and fast memory are expensive to design and build.

 

[Comixbooks]

I’m not even sure if this will fit in my case. Looks really big. You can never have enough surface area for a cooler though. I hope it is reasonably quiet.

It will fit in my Bitfenix Shogun no problem with inches to spare.

 

[oldmanbal]

Remember when the 750Ti launched at around $150 six years ago?

Adjusted for inflation, that would be around $165, today.

My opinion: if nVidia is still using their numbering convention to identify product tiers that they, themselves, implemented many generations ago, then they aren't "arbitrary". It just means that nVidia is milking their customers for every penny that they can. Their company, their products, their pricing. If they feel that the demand is there to be able to justify these higher prices, then they are at liberty to do so. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it or like it.

I've stated this before (probably in this thread): around a 30% performance gain is paltry for the price increases that nVidia is inflicting upon their customers. If they are going to be charging a lot more, then they better be delivering a lot more.

The last generation from pascal to turing didn't have a major node shrink, so most of the gains came from architectural tweaks. This time around, they are going to have both efficiency gains in process, along with architectural revisions, which should bring it back in line to the 40%+ cadence gpu enthusiasts had grown accustomed to in the glory days of pc hardware. Feel free to tear me to shreds but if this isn't the case, all hope is lost for what I wanted to see in my lifetime.

 

[Comixbooks]

I was going to upgrade my entire MB and CPU but decided to hold off since Nvidia showed up.
Just watch on Youtube everyone saying this card is bigger than their car. Using fake emotions to covey
themselves that they deserve this.

 

[the901]

It will fit in my Bitfenix Shogun no problem with inches to spare.

I might have to break out my Antec 1200 for this one LOL!

 

[Comixbooks]

I might have to break out my Antec 1200 for this one LOL!

Yeah ATX cases have been getting more compact since SSDs showed up.

 

[Nenu]

I might have to break out my Antec 1200 for this one LOL!

My old Antec 900 was one of the cases I cut to fit an AMD 290x with Accelero III cooler.
The drive bays would need removing entirely to fit that monster someone photoshopped lol.

 

[Snowdog]

3) Even if the 3060 has comparable raster performance to the 2070 it will likely be better in some other way. This is quite normal for many products e.g. av receivers where baseline performance is similar for years and niche features are tacked on every year that you may not necessarily care about. So technically you’re getting more for the same money but may not see it that way.

My only concern about the 3060 is rumors that it still has 6GB of VRAM. If that's true: Booooo!

But otherwise, yeah new generation cards usually bring a bunch of small tweaks that make them more desirable than previous generation beyond outright performance.

We can probably expect HDMI 2.1 this time, making which makes connecting to to 120Hz VRR 4K TVs a much more interesting proposition.
There might be a new Video/Media section bringing new video encoders/decoders.

 

[strufa]

40+% performance for a 1400 dollar card is not worth it. This card should be 70-80% more powerful than the 2080ti to justify a price like this.

 

[Blackstone]

40+% performance for a 1400 dollar card is not worth it. This card should be 70-80% more powerful than the 2080ti to justify a price like this.

But what if you have a 1080ti and not a 2080ti? Who buys cards annually or even every other year?

 

[strufa]

Perhaps a 7nm variant can get the performance i want so ill wait next year if this card does not deliever on 8nm

 

[strufa]

But what if you have a 1080ti and not a 2080ti? Who buys cards annually or even every other year?

Im comparing the performance jump from a 980ti to a 1080ti which is a 63% jump in performance stock cooling.

Overclocking wise 47% difference. But, the 1080ti was only 699.99. This card is 800 dollars more expensive and if it cant deliever a gigantic leap in performance based on its price its not worth getting. 1080ti was only here 3 years ago. Nvidia has delievered on great price and performance.

I think they can do it again. Perhaps this card will be this powerful.

 

[Ghoststalker]

I am hoping for 50%. I will be satisfied with 35.

 

[Hagrid]

Well is the 2080ti is about 30% over a 1080ti, and the new one is 30% over a 2080ti, that would be a good reason to dump 1080ti sli if people have it.
The 1080ti is great but at 1440 @ 144 needs a boost. I am seriously considering one of the new cards. I was thinking about it today going back to sli for some games
but this would make better sense.

 

[Blackstone]

Well is the 2080ti is about 30% over a 1080ti, and the new one is 30% over a 2080ti, that would be a good reason to dump 1080ti sli if people have it.
The 1080ti is great but at 1440 @ 144 needs a boost. I am seriously considering one of the new cards. I was thinking about it today going back to sli for some games
but this would make better sense.

I just have one 1080ti founders edition. I may jump to 4K OLED plus 3090, or stars by supersampling 1080p to 4k on my existing screen.

I could get by with the 1080ti, but I do see real benefits using dsr factors which tax the card in games like GTA 5.

For that kind of money I would want the card to last 3 years and run without a hitch.

I like being on the refresh (ti) side of an upgrade cycle though because the products are usually a lot more cost effective and more refined.

I probably should just wait for 4k benchmarks.

 

[Blackstone]

Well is the 2080ti is about 30% over a 1080ti, and the new one is 30% over a 2080ti, that would be a good reason to dump 1080ti sli if people have it.
The 1080ti is great but at 1440 @ 144 needs a boost. I am seriously considering one of the new cards. I was thinking about it today going back to sli for some games
but this would make better sense.

I have done SLI twice. Once with a 590 sli on a stick and another time with dual 980s. Never again. The stuttering is real. Going to 1080ti was a huge upgrade but really should not have been if sli worked properly.

 

[Mylex]

I just have one 1080ti founders edition. I may jump to 4K OLED plus 3090, or stars by supersampling 1080p to 4k on my existing screen.

I could get by with the 1080ti, but I do see real benefits using dsr factors which tax the card in games like GTA 5.

For that kind of money I would want the card to last 3 years and run without a hitch.

I like being on the refresh (ti) side of an upgrade cycle though because the products are usually a lot more cost effective and more refined.

I probably should just wait for 4k benchmarks.

If you are able to hold off on a purchase do so, you will be happier waiting to see how the launches play out. An additional bonus is that you could wait until there is actual supply to go with the cards that rock the benchmarks on games that interest you. You will not say I wish I bought day 1 again like the 1080ti, that anomaly happens once in your lifetime.

 

[Nenu]

If you are able to hold off on a purchase do so, you will be happier waiting to see how the launches play out. An additional bonus is that you could wait until there is actual supply to go with the cards that rock the benchmarks on games that interest you. You will not say I wish I bought day 1 again like the 1080ti, that anomaly happens once in your lifetime.

Yep, the only early purchase I did that worked out well is the 1080ti.
My brother bought a 2080ti and recently received his 3rd card, 2 replacements!

I want to buy a card day one but I'm gonna stop myself.
The pricing might to be too far out of whack anyway.

 

[Hagrid]

I have done SLI twice. Once with a 590 sli on a stick and another time with dual 980s. Never again. The stuttering is real. Going to 1080ti was a huge upgrade but really should not have been if sli worked properly.

I never noticed stuttering, but it may be on some games.

 

[German Muscle]

psst, your Titan figure would be +108.25%.

You forgot about the $3000 Titan V

fixed

 

[AVATARAT]

Interesting, 3 slot card because it is really "hot" ?
NVIDIA Ampere with hot memory and even the board partners are still in the dark