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decapitator said:
Everything max oblivion

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
319, 12135, 23, 30, 26.288

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What resolution is this at? 1900x1200?
 
ok, im not making myself clear. why is there a performance hit when nothing is on screen? that's all i ask. if it's not working, why the decrease in frame rate? why is that so hard to understand? i could care less if they are unofficial drivers. Let us say, for this instance, that they are... can you answer the question?

Here's what I think: Because of the drivers and hardware being very early, there is a problem with the 16xsAA going from process to output. It's a hypothesis. Since I really do not know, I just want to see if someone does...
 
gorilla show said:
ok, im not making myself clear. why is there a performance hit when nothing is on screen? that's all i ask. if it's not working, why the decrease in frame rate? why is that so hard to understand? i could care less if they are unofficial drivers.
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I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but I assume it's about Oblivion. As far as I know the game isn't exactly optimized, so it renders things that aren't in your field of view.
 
gorilla show said:
Here's what I think: Because of the drivers and hardware being very early, there is a problem with the 16xsAA going from process to output. It's a hypothesis. Since I really do not know, I just want to see if someone does...
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All I know is that I tried several different times to enable AA through the Nvidia control panel, and it would never work in Oblivion. Maybe it's the drivers that came with the card, maybe the game needs a patch.
 
Kliter said:
For the third time, it's pre-released hardware running on un-official drivers. What don't you understand about that? 0_o
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That's what I'm asking about: why the hit in performance with nothing on-screen to show for it?

Look, I'm no computer engineer, but I just want to know where in the video card to display does this happen?
 
gorilla show said:
That's what I'm asking about: why the hit in performance with nothing on-screen to show for it?

Look, I'm no computer engineer, but I just want to know where in the video card to display does this happen?
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Driver-forced AA won't work in Oblivion with nvidia cards if in-game HDR is enabled. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the card isn't still trying to do the work, it just won't actually be applied in the game. I think this probably explains what you're referring to.

Personally I'm hoping that nvidia will have something similar to the "chuck patch" for the 8800 series since it is technically able to do HDR+AA now. That's one of the main advantages that X1950 Crossfire has over SLI in Oblivion, the fact that it's able to provide FAR superior IQ through the use of HQ AF and HDR+AA.
 
Come on, will you comment on if there's a special AF algorithm?

PLEASE just download D3DAFTester13a.exe and run it with the highest quality 16X AF that you can find. (Full colored option for mipmaps is preferred, but not important anyway..), AND provide a screenshot here if you can, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
 
ALSO,

if you sell it on Ebay RIGHT NOW while offering overnight shipping as an option, you'd probably sell it for well over $1000 to a spoiled rich brat!
 
Sabrewulf165 said:
Driver-forced AA won't work in Oblivion with nvidia cards if in-game HDR is enabled. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the card isn't still trying to do the work, it just won't actually be applied in the game. I think this probably explains what you're referring to.

Personally I'm hoping that nvidia will have something similar to the "chuck patch" for the 8800 series since it is technically able to do HDR+AA now. That's one of the main advantages that X1950 Crossfire has over SLI in Oblivion, the fact that it's able to provide FAR superior IQ through the use of HQ AF and HDR+AA.
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Thanks a lot, that's the kind of answer I wanted. It was very puzzling how there was no work done on display, but on the card it was a different story.
 
Bo_Fox said:
ALSO,

if you sell it on Ebay RIGHT NOW while offering overnight shipping as an option, you'd probably sell it for well over $1000 to a spoiled rich brat!
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You think so?
 
Bo_Fox said:
Come on, will you comment on if there's a special AF algorithm?

PLEASE just download D3DAFTester13a.exe and run it with the highest quality 16X AF that you can find. (Full colored option for mipmaps is preferred, but not important anyway..), AND provide a screenshot here if you can, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
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I need a link.
 
Bo_Fox said:
Come on, will you comment on if there's a special AF algorithm?

PLEASE just download D3DAFTester13a.exe and run it with the highest quality 16X AF that you can find. (Full colored option for mipmaps is preferred, but not important anyway..), AND provide a screenshot here if you can, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
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Is this what you're looking for? (Post #4)

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35343
 
gorilla show said:
Need some new developments for more efficient grass AA algorithms. Grass is the new water, lol. :p
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Hmmmm, grass... water... are we trading in Phong shading for Bong shading???
 
mike686 said:
You think so?
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Of course, this kind of money ($1x00+++) is burning so badly in at least several of those rich brats' pockets for an 8800GTX RIGHT NOW, seriously!

Remember how the Xbox360's sold for up to $3000 on Ebay cuz of all those rich people who are too spoiled to camp out besides CompUSA or whatever store, and then it was all sold out for a measly 2 weeks to 1 month? They just couldn't wait. Same here. See how popular this thread is.. and how you've reached celebrity status just because of this!
 
This is with 16xAF forced on in the control panel.


anisoie7.jpg
 
mike686 said:
This is with 16xAF forced on in the control panel.


anisoie7.jpg
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Wow.. that's much better than ATI's HQ AF!!!!!!

I just noticed that the 45 degree angles are gone! It's PERFECT AF, in the sense that 16X should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN, perfect 16X AF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, Mike686!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, I'm drooling and salivating!
 
Bo_Fox said:
Of course, this kind of money ($1x00+++) is burning so badly in at least several of those rich brats' pockets for an 8800GTX RIGHT NOW, seriously!

Remember how the Xbox360's sold for up to $3000 on Ebay cuz of all those rich people who are too spoiled to camp out besides CompUSA or whatever store, and then it was all sold out for a measly 2 weeks to 1 month? They just couldn't wait. Same here. See how popular this thread is.. and how you've reached celebrity status just because of this!
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Will you buy it for $1000?
:D
 
See, the AF for my 7900GTX at 16X is:

g70_16x_hq.jpg


And, for my X1900XTX at 16X is:

r520_16x_hq.jpg
 
mike686 said:
I can throw it up on Ebay if you want. It's gonna cost you though. ;)
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It's gotta be a 1-day auction, seeing how the release date is only 2 1/2 days from now.

Tough luck with a 1-day auction though... but I'm sure there are many out there hungering for it on Ebay!

There's a website that seems to offer it "in stock??", on ewiz.com for only $625 right now.. ( http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=MS...22fc1c2eca86fb36874c06fa10c163f4c3eb6fee73b88) I think that the website is just trying to get all the buyers to buy it from them without letting them know that it is not ready to ship until Nov. 8.. but I'm not really sure if they are shipping it to the buyers effectively as of today (just like you were able to get it at Fry's...)??
 
Cuthalu said:
x1900xt is tremendously better than x1800xt. :confused:
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The X1800XT has the same new HQ AF algorithm as the X1900XT. It's right that the X1900 series have 3x as many pixel shader processors as the previous series.
 
khuyakuya said:
could someone explain those circles to me?
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Think of it as being in a tunnel. the center is the most distant point. The mipmap filter colors show how well the textures are being filtered while the area with no color is the area nearest to your location or viewing distance (thus no AF is needed since the "close" textures already has maximum LOD (Level-of-Detail).
 
Bo_Fox said:
The X1800XT has the same new HQ AF algorithm as the X1900XT. It's right that the X1900 series have 3x as many pixel shader processors as the previous series.
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I've got NGO-drivers with latest ATi tray tools and my supposedly "non-optimized HQ 16x AF" doesn't look like that at all. Closer to 7800gtx. I tested a little and tray tools's modifications didn't affect IQ at all, so it's likely cause..
 
Bo_Fox said:
It's gotta be a 1-day auction, seeing how the release date is only 2 1/2 days from now.

Tough luck with a 1-day auction though... but I'm sure there are many out there hungering for it on Ebay!

There's a website that seems to offer it "in stock??", on ewiz.com for only $625 right now.. ( http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=MS...22fc1c2eca86fb36874c06fa10c163f4c3eb6fee73b88) I think that the website is just trying to get all the buyers to buy it from them without letting them know that it is not ready to ship until Nov. 8.. but I'm not really sure if they are shipping it to the buyers effectively as of today (just like you were able to get it at Fry's...)??
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It's a great idea, but I think I'll pass. MAN I should have thought of this yesterday.
 
I find the story of AF implementations quite ironic, to be honest. Nvidia had great AF with NV2x/3x, then went backwards with NV40 and now finally have good AF implementation again.

And everyone is going: "Oh man, finally got AF that's... well... better then we used to have 3 years ago, score!!!"
 
you can always list it and refuse to sell it right? just see how much it will go for and if its alot then sell it...

that is possible right? I dont ebay that much
 
mike686 said:
It's a great idea, but I think I'll pass. MAN I should have thought of this yesterday.
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Yeah.... I think that ewiz also offers overnight shipping as an option, so that probably defeats any advantage that you would have on Ebay.
 
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