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Discussion in 'nVidia Flavor' started by TaintedSquirrel, Dec 7, 2017.
Just dont tell me to buy a prius and be green. That would be fucked.
bitcoin wont have infinite growth on that scale? i dont know... but even things that produce value doesnt increase that much in value over so short time? unique? it would be quite unique and sad actually esp. considering it doesnt even hold anything of value or provide anything for this society. it shouldnt be worth anything really. it's kinda funny tho lol. im not very in depth about it but. ive considered starting my own gold mining operation but, i do have the finance to make it happen. with just a few rigs to start with. i probably wont do it but ok enough. how many rigs would it require to make 20-30 dollars each day, exlcuding electricity? and what is better mined eth or bit?
Look crypto currency is another form of money. Think about why countries limit the printing of their currencies to certain amounts per year? If they just printed money as much as they wanted you would have rapid inflation. Currency is based off of trust and believe in that currency as an inherent value.
The inherent value of bitcoin is that its another form or currency. But with crytopcurrancies, ya can't just print it, it needs to be mined, and their is a limited amount it can be mined per year. That is why its going up, demand is going up but the supply isn't. The ultimate form of pure economics, supply and demand.
If you look at the total marketcap of these coins, they are nothing, tiny right now, a few tens of billion? Not enough to make a dent in any countries ecomony, now once they start getting closer to trillions of dollars, you will see a change in the way countries will value these currencies, they will start using them for bank to bank transfers, no more, sending cash to the bank etc.
You can't mine Bitcoin with GPU's, you can mine Eth or other coins. To get 20 to 30 bucks a day, you can do that with many different coins, and 1 6 card rig.
Wow your math is as bad as Juanrga's it's a little less then 18% faster and considering Pascal turned out far better then they expected I wouldn't get your hopes up that a Volta gaming version will be a ton faster. I dont think 8 to 9 fps more is going to make people run out and upgrade and likely why Ampere is rumored to be the next card coming, they know Volta is not going to cut it for a gaming card.
Its going to be faster than that, at least for tier to tier comparison. You picked out a game @ settings that is pixel fillrate bound. I think Ampere is Volta, just a smaller amount of cuda cores per block and GDDR memory.
What you said doesn't have anything to do with graphics quality though.
In the simpliest form ROI is about 100 days. So 20-30 a day is $2000-3000 in cards.
Right now might be better to just buy $2k of crypto outright.
That depends what benchmarks you go with.
You can bet the 102 version will feature just as many cores and be higher clocked. Also having up to 768GB/sec memory. In the end of the day you see GV102 beating GP102 with ~40-50% on the same node. That's what uarch investment does instead of reusing the same over and over for several years. The 1080ti gaming wise is pretty much a P100 with 15-20% higher advertised clocks.
Pascal ended exactly where it should and so does Volta. There is a reason why Nvidia is the defacto standard for HPC and gaming.
Is there anything razor1 isn't an expert on?
If I start doing something and I'm determined, not much that I'm not.
The ego is strong with this one.
Well I have never been satisfied at not doing the best I can so...... if I don't feel comfortable with my level of performance, doesn't matter what it is, I go do that task till I get to what I feel is best for my capabilities. If my standards are too high for others oh well.
Just because other's can't get 8 bucks a 1070 doesn't mean I can't, I found out ways of doing it by looking at other miners and what they are doing and combining the best of what they can do.
Awesome miner isn't for everyone, it takes quite a bit of work to get it to work with all the pools and miners. Its not straight forward, there are no tutorials on how to do it, most of the people on Bitcoin talk, don't know how to use it properly they are using for monitoring, its a hell of a lot more powerful than that if you know how the pool API's work. If one wants to do the best, they have to do the work.
Give ya a hint, Nicehash just came back online in the past 2 days, I can get oh 20 (24 according to their calculator, but gotta take into account pool luck so probably with over clocking and undervolting, 20 is a sure a bet) bucks a rig on nice hash, if I use awesome miner and do what I'm doing now, with nV cards, I get 30 bucks a rig. As of right now, starting from 3 am this morning, when the pool I'm currently mining with cashed out. I got close to 1700 bucks, targeted 24 hours its going be 2500, that is 34 bucks a rig, 90% uptime.
Sorry can't get that kind of profitability unless ya really know how these multi mining pools work, ya got people taking about 6 bucks a Vega, I'm talking about a card that is cheaper, that uses a lot less power, making 7 bucks a card.
I'm not making these numbers up, I have tested and figured out how these pools operate and what they are doing to maximize profits. And it wasn't over night either, it took me around 4 months to really understand how awesome miner works, all of it, not just the interface for monitoring. Then took me another couple of months to get it working with pool API's the way I wanted to. Then when Nicehash went down, that's when I started using it with the other pools, and figure out there were soooo many other things I can do with it that just blew away Nicehash and the other multi miners out there.
So nVidia is not gonna use Volta in gaming cards, instead they announced some new architecture named Ampere, with no roadmap or dates.
Suddenly, i don't feel bad about buying Titan V.
All i wish for now is for someone to make an hybryd watercooler kit for it.
And where and when did Nvidia "announce" this?
Apparently, "Ampere" is a successor to Volta and also is not a gaming GPU:
Ampere, if this is what gaming market is going to see, should be based off of Volta, what I expect is less CUDA cores per SM, more SM's though so the over all CUDA core count for the 102 series chips will be the same as the V100 chips, and of course GDDR6, cut down DP units and no tensor cores.
Yes I know all about the rumors but I was specifically asking about the announcement you mentionedand that's why I put it in quotes.
There has been no “announcement”. You’ll have to wait till GTC 2018 (March 26-29) unless Nvidia decides to formally announce it before then. Plenty of rumors from multiple sources have the architecture name pegged as Ampere, but no other real details have surfaced.
I dunno guys, my thoughts on Volta/Ampere are that nVidia is going to have completely different products for compute and gaming going forward. The Titan V has proven to be a mining and compute beast, but it's not much faster than Pascal for gaming in a lot of cases. I expect nVidia to remove the tensor cores for the gaming Ampere cards and they will probably optimize the card heavily for gaming.
The Titan V is so good at mining that it would actually be worth buying at $1500 or even $2000.
well if there are the differences I mentioned, cache arrangements and amounts will be very different from Volta to Ampere, so that will have drastic affects on latencies within the chip and mining applications and algorithms are quite sensitive to that, along with GDDR6 which at this point don't' know what the latencies will be for that, but if its anything like GDDR5x, some algorithms won't run that well on it (ETH based).
I'm pretty sure someone mined ETH on it and it had something like triple the hash rate of a GTX 1070. I could be mistaken.
*edit* I found it here:
Oh yeah it will still be better than what we can do now just won't be as good as V100, just predicting @ the moment.
Card is sold out on Nvidia's site probably due to crypto miners since most gamers would never shell out for it at that price. So much for thinking Next Gen is going to go down in price.
I figured they had a limited supply and that was why they were adamant that all reviewers clearly state it is not a gaming card. Interestingly, they now separate "Titan" cards and "Geforce GTX" cards on their website, with Titan Xp belonging to the latter.
Life of the party I'd say.
The good part is that we can continue to enjoy the great 3rd person titles out there, and no one can stop us. Peoples opinions are as bountiful as dog-poo at the park. A good game, is a good game. If you lose immersion because of a camera's position, I have no fucking clue what to tell you.
On topic, I can't see any reason to go with this card over something like a 1080TI, the price different makes absolutely no sense for gaming specifically.
NVIDIA Quadro GV100 Surfaces in Latest NVFlash Binary
Well that font size is about the biggest reaction that's going to happen around here wrt a Quadro card.
Yeah i guess. I feel i get more connection to my char in DA:i for example when i can see in 3d person likewise with ME, but it wouldnt be hard to have a FPS mode either implemented for those who prefer that, with things like BF1 FPS wiev is definately my prefered tho! 1080 ti masterrace! cant wait for the next iteration of that Ti! While i would be curious to what they would call it and if it would be even required for my 1440p monitor
long time for Ti model. talking to two years!
I tried eth mining last night for a few hours using my dual 1080ti andb1070 and after 6 hours and over 90mh/s I was told it would take 3 months to make 250 whopping pocket change dollars.... 3 months. Mining is fucking retarded unless you invest literally hundreds of thousands immediately and even then its retarded. Id rather invest in the stock market and make real money in investment.
So I put my twin 1080ti on ebay for literally 2600 each and got messages of people interested. Miners lol
Anyways I am not impressed with Titan V really. Its a super nice card but for the minor bump in performanve over a 80ti... its really a fail at its pruce point even being a semi professional card. Maybe in a few months with some driver optimizations and a revisit to the benches might finally topple the 80ti.
Shouldn't mine eth with those, mine the other alt coins
payout yeah will be ever 15 days or so, but you will get 600 bucks a month easy.
If you want to try nice hash if you don't want to fiddle around with anything.
Forgive my ignorance but what coin would make me 600 a month? I am interested because that would easily pay for the electricity bill these would run up.
I dont want to be a hypcrit based on my earlier statements but I feel justified in thinking mining is retarded if it takes 3 months of 24/7 to get 250 bucks. That will cost way more in electricity and wear and tear on the cards at that rate.
a mixture of coins,
the list I'm doing 35 different alt coin algorithms with over 60 coins which ever is most profitable. For ease of mining, these are the more common algorithms,
Neoscrypt, xevan, blakecoin, x17, hsr, blake2s, c11, phi, sib, bitcore, skunk, nist4, lyra2v2, timetravel, tribus, grosetl, skein, keccak
Nicehash has some of these coins, and it will switch up based on profitability so it should get close to 10 bucks a day per card. 8 bucks a day should be easy to get.
All these coins are more profitable than Eth and even dual mining eth and lbry even on AMD cards + they use a hell of lot less power, I'm down to 80 watts a card for my 1070's on these alt coins my 1080ti (testing) don't do any extended mining with it, gets around 150 watts.
This is why mining won't die this year or the year after lol, there are way too many profitable coins out there. Eth is just the one that started the madness this round. But there are so many others out there, unless the confidence of Eth and Bitcoin takes a dive, this is going to go on for a few years, 3 years at least.
If you do your research and spend more than 5 minutes looking into mining - you can make a nice bit of profit. Currently mining nist5 on my 1080 Ti - making $12.50 a day on average. That's $380 a month. I just bought 2 Titan Xp's to add to my rig, I'm guessing with the additional heat output that each card will be around $11.00 a day. That will be $1020 a month. Cost for electricity will be around $30-40 a month for all 3 cards (and that's not factoring the fact that I haven't been running my heating since I started mining, will be different in the summer though). At that point its a little more than pocket change, at that point it's paying my rent with me not having to do anything. I'll have the Titan Xp's paid off in 2.5 months. The trick is tweaking your cards so they sip on power. You're doing it wrong if you let your cards go full power 24/7.
Well im now mining at the pace of 700/mon with my 3 GPUs and 2 CPUs. If I actually earn that much coin this month then ill just set on it and buy more GPUs or even an asic lol... im such a newb. I have no idea whays a good profitable asic though. I dont wanna get rich its just for fun and maybe it will fund a few things this year.
Im running 55% power on my 1080tis and 1070 and running ram nearly maxed and gpu boost at a little over stock and thier doing nicely. I will.keep tweaking and watching nicehash trends iver the next week to find the best bang for the power.
I may just order a Titan V now. Apparenty they are hashing over 80mh/s on avg which is double what my twin 1080s and 1070 are doing. Ill just chunk the titan V in my NAS ans run it 24/7 on the xeon using a vtd passthrough to a VM.
I could pay for the V in 3 months or less at that rate and then make profit on it.
Mining is a very deep and ever changing economic landscape at the moment. One might even refer to it as a digital art form. A LOT of people just think mining is Bitcoin and maybe Ethereum. There are hundreds of coins that go up in value everyday. Even if they aren't going up in value you are still making them at their current market prices. There are many scripts available to help people less informed more or less automate the decision on which coins to let your system(s) farm at that specific time based on price trends. For a beginner it can be as easy as using your family computer to run a script and start hashing. As you more familiar with the unique aspects of currency mining it becomes easier to identify what pathways make the most sense for your situation. If you just have 1 videocard from a specific manufacturer there are resources that will give you the most return for that card. Once you establish a comfort level and understand the fundaments people start to expand their systems quickly since it only takes a few months to start paying for Brand New video cards. After a year or two of this it's not unreasonable to have 5-10 videocards completely payed for by your initial investment of 1-2 videocards. You can see why it's so intoxicatingly addictive.
Always remember this is a financial market that comes with risks. Any coin can lose all value in a matter of hour so many people sell everything they make and continue to re invest it in new hardware. Some people save everything they make and the winners have made remarkable amounts of money in a relatively short amount of time. If you're a hardcore pc hardware junkie like me and pc games feel relatively bland these days, mining has become a godsend for hardware enthusiasts. The satisfaction of making thousands of dollars a year for something you really enjoy, and being able to share those rewards with your family is sensational. Sitting down this Christmas and discussing the returns I had from mining and coin investments this year that blew away both my parents savings returns, and both brother in laws will be a memory I never forget. Some of us early miners have held on to some bitcoins from the early days when 20-30 dollars for 1 coin was a make or break decision on mining it for a month. Who wouldn't want to be able to say that again about one of the new currencies?
When they make me pay taxes on mining I'm sure I'll change my tune a bit. . .
Well since I made that post, I have changed my mind drastically. I have a friend who mines and found out I was on the ropes. He had a deep talk with me about it and now I am mining. I made over 20$ since last night. So I am going to see what this is like. If I actually can net over $100 this week I am in for the long haul and it actually does feel good to have my hardware working round clock now instead of wasted clock cycles making me money (well its virtual until I can land it in my bank account)
I'm using 2x 1080ti reduced power high memory clock slightly lower core clock and a 1070. So 3 GPU and i'm using my 7820x as well to mine. I'm using nicehash because its mining all kinds of pools and services.
though from my limited research the real winners in mining is the pool owners. Everyone does all the work and they sit back and reap profit. For instance NiceHash payout records indicated a 199 coin payout and Nicehash taxed like 40 something coin. Rediculous profit for hosting a pool.
Is nVidia the only vendor that sells these cards? Any idea when they or the next batch will be available?
Again not to sound hypocritical to other previous postings but the more I learn about the V the more I am starting to want one of these cards. I am still deeping considering the expense of 3k for one.
Pretty much, as with the previous Titans, you can only buy it on nVidia website. No clue how often they restock though.
I'm curious what the heck you're mining that would justify spending that much on one card.
I'd love to have one for gaming, I guess, but I'm not seeing the case being made for using it to mine cryptocurrency. Like, it's fast, yeah, but it doesn't sound like it's $3K fast, unless you're really, really desperate.