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Discussion in 'nVidia Flavor' started by TaintedSquirrel, Dec 7, 2017.
Seems kinda disappointing for 3k
Nah, I doubt they'll brand it as Titan. That'll be too confusing.
I agree with razor1. I think they'll do something like this:
Ti - Titan price: 1000-1200
x80 - Ti Price: 650-700.
x70Ti - x80 Price: 550-600.
x70 - current x70 pricing $400-450
Maybe there will no longer be a gaming Titan at all and the current product stack will be maintained with Ampere, since there has been overlap between the Ti and Titan in the past. T'would be nice if the Ti gets released first for a change.
It's not a gaming card, that's why.
When you buy this GPU you get a lot of fancy stuff (double precision, "tensor" cores, special AI and deep learning software, access to Nvidia compute cloud, etc. etc.) that is of no use in games. This is what you are paying the $3k for.
Sure, it also happens to be the best performing GPU for gaming right now, but that's not really what it is intended for.
When I bought my Pascal Titan there was much talk about Nvidia pivoting the Titan brand away from gaming. I guess that has finally come full circle.
What's interesting is that it can do all this within a 250W thermal envelope. Imagine if the superfluous compute stuff were cut out and the focus were placed on aspects of the GPU that benefit games?
Don't think they will replace what they have in their pro centric silicon, 800mm2 is kinda crazy to put into general consumer parts......
All that "wasted" silicon on the Titan V technically helps heat dissipation ...
not if its not being used.
I will keep my Titan Xp for now till the equivalent comes out.
These seem like just what I want.
Graphics AND folding baby.
One of the funnier typos i've seen in a while :V
If superflower designed anything on these boards, I don't know that I'd want to cut it out.
I don't know how that made it in there. I didn't even realize Superflower was a thing before it replaced my intended superfluous...
Signed by JHH on ebay lol
I think the Titan cooler has been milked to the last drop with this edition, this bastard is just screaming to be put under water.
Did he purposely sit it on the Vega Frontier edition? LOL
Water has a host of issues. Maybe just not a 2 slot blower.... at least have another option.
Yeah like an AIO.
Subliminal messaging? As in what else it good for?
I've had a lot of those die on me this year... even a normal aftermarket 2/3 fan cooler would be fine. Or my personal favorite, 3 slot blower.
I've never had a problem with any AIO that I've ever owned, but then again I've never had one on a GPU either.
But regardless, anything with 2 or more fans and/or a rad has got to be better than the stock Titan cooler, this has been a known fact since the OG Titan dropped.
I hope the Evga coolers have laser etched logos this time.
there probably will be, Titan V in my opinion feels like one of those "oh you released one? well we'll do one better" responses by Nvidia to AMD because of the Vega Frontier Edition cards.
If I was willing to spend $3k on a Titan V, I'd likely wait until they release the next version that doesn't isn't cut down, or the Ti series. I learned my lesson with Titan X pascal.
from the early benches not all that impressive compared to a 1080ti. esp. when we do know a ti will replace it for normally half the price a few some months later. it's basically a card for impatient ppl with way too much money and there isnt alot of good games released that require it, for most part i ignore 95% of the games personally. im way to picky in what im spending my time on. except for things like d3 or league, maybe wow.. and that game suffer so badly from horrible cpu optimization that u cant even make use of a 980ti fully except maybe in 4k. but then again we have the human eye and it have limits. i saw a review on 4k vs 1080p movies on one of norways most esteemed tech review sites, where they used the staff to do a blind test if they could tell the difference, and it ended up beeing so inconclusive that there was no clear pattern to show that 4k was superior. because it was around 50%, so half couldnt tell and rest could tell. and again, maybe not sure so they picked something. but it is quite noticable to me anyway from 1080p to 1440p, but then again i had an ancient 1080p shitty as monitor compare to this high end acer pred 1440p 165hz screen. i still think graphics is the limiting factor here to quality of image. i do wish i had a 4k monitor just for personal use and experimentation to see. only thing i can say is ive seen the bleeding edge 4k screens that are rather large and alot of times OLED or just a really good lcd. and normally they run a short film that is super enhanced. rest of them is just playing something in 1080p, and u can see how badly it is. maybe it is to highligth the bigger high end screens. idk. but none of the lower value 4k screens display these short films. and really at 1440p so far one game i played i could run max but reduced a bit settings for more fluid play, ghost recon wild l lands, insane graphics for sure. other title is MEA wich ran far better at max, and graphics are insane in that game.
Let me repeat myself.
Titan is not a gaming brand anymore.
When Titan originally launched it served a dual purpose as a pro-sumer compute card and halo gaming product. Over the last 4 years since the Titan brand has been on the market its position as a Gaming Halo card has received more attention, but starting with the Pascal Titan launch, Nvidia expressed that they were moving Titan more to the pro-sumer compute side of things.
Note how the Titan V doesn't say "GeForce" on it anywhere.
Nvidia isn't seriously trying to sell you, or anyone else a $3k gaming card. They are selling compute researchers who are not quite ready to jump in at the Tesla level a great compute card for their workstations. It comes with lots of features aimed squarely at compute and machine learning applications, like double precision, "tensor" cores, special AI and deep learning software, access to Nvidia compute cloud, etc. etc.)
This is why it costs $3k.
Sure, it also happens to be the top performing card for games right now, but that isn't where its value proposition lies, or where Nividia is marketing it. But yeah, true, some people with excessive entertainment budgets will probably spend their money on these for games, and that will be a silly thing to do, as it is not massively faster than a 1080ti in games, and once the next gen gaming cards come out early next year they will undoubtedly perform better, if not in absolute terms, they will come close or tie the card, but at much lower price points, as they will be dedicated gamer designs.
If you have lots of money and are the kind of person who absolutely has to show off the latest and greatest hardware, this - I guess - is the way to go right now, but I wouldn't do it. I have the means, but it is just too ridiculous for me.
Now, if I were into compute and machine learning research, I might think differently, but for me, this card would be a huge waste.
Dito. And the thing is, it's going happen. The Titan brand isn't going anywhere, all Titans have out-matched the previous one, and I can't see the Titan V being the last one before Ampere arrives. Volta's not even in the mainstream yet.
That means we will see a Titan VX, or whatever, being the full fat chip, same price, released August 2018 if I had to guess.
good point, or used also in things like game developement? im not quite sure. for most part i thougt titan cards were for those with bleeding pockets, while it still is hehe
Honestly, I have a Titan X Pascal, and I thought it was a good deal. Sure the 1080ti surpassed it (stock clocks) or matched it (both overclocked) 8 months later, but 8 months is a long time in computer hardware advances. At least it used to be.
I spent $1,200 for a Titan X, $500 more than the later 1080ti, but for those $500 I got 8 whole months of good performance gaming on my 4k screen which I otherwise wouldn't have had. (I was using dual 980ti's before the Titan, and was very unhappy with the performance) That was worth it to me.
As was the $1,000 I spent on my original Titan in 2013. When I bought it no other single card was able to support 60+fps gaming at 2560x1600. (Before upgrading to the Titan I had dual Radeon 6970's. and that experience was far from satisfying.) I had that card for 2 years, the longest I've ever had a GPU, and its still actually in use in my stepsons rig, for 1080p gaming (where it performs similarly to an RX580)
The mild performance increase of the Titan V for $3k, when Nvidia's next gen gaming cards are right around the corner - on the other hand is definitely NOT worth it for me and for what I do.
"When I spend a lot of money on something completely off the Gaming Bang/Buck Chart™ it is not too much and I am smart and wise and rational so listen to my sage wisdom, but when someone else spends more they are foolish with their money." - This forum's "experts" in a nutshell.
Random fun factoid: Titan V is the most power efficient mining card right now, LOL
^^^^^^ Heh... well there's "completely" off the Gaming Bang/Buck Chart™.... and then there's "ludicrously" off the Gaming Bang/Buck Chart™
The Titan V falls a bit more into this latter category.
but how many games in that period were released that pushed it past a1080ti at best 1080ti sli? that is something to consider aswell.
If that's your thing, then buy it I was talking about how it is not marketed as a gaming card.
Personally I'm not into mining. While I would consider doing some light mining on stuff I already own, I advent to date. (Should have years ago, but that's a missed opportunity)
I wouldn't buy hardware with he intent of mining today. It seems unlikely to be a successful venture, unless you live in a very low cost electricity region.
trust me bitcoin is heading to a crash, very soon. it's high now but it will crash. it's suposed to happen. if u were lucky and in early another story but, also, early in the latest hype u would gain alot, mostly by trading not making.
If you dont mind waiting for year plus on getting your investment back.
the rush lol like you are dying of cancer in 6 months. why?
Just for analysis and ignoring cost or overkill, does the Titan Xp or 1080 Ti still win 1080p benchmarks? And then the Titan V improves with 1440p and 4K.
Actually its less than 10 months Titan V should get around 15 bucks a day easy, shit my 1080ti is getting that much right now at times, so the Titan V can get as high as 20 bucks a day at times....on some alt coins. On Eth right now it will do 10 bucks a day, and that is 10 months return.
Love it when a person talks about things he doesn't know about. Still not good, as the current crop Pascal cards, ALL of them in a month and half to two months pay for themselves.
Your still the best at that. Mining and what you get is not stable for months and months, just a matter of time till it implodes and the cycle repeats. Some stores stopped accepting bitcoin cause the value is all over the place now.