Nvidia is At It Again

Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by gist901, Feb 24, 2010.

  1. SixtyWattMan

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    This is not a fucking automotive forum.
     
  2. Kowan

    Kowan [H]ardness Supreme

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    We know. It's a bitch about one and praise the other forum!
     
  3. noquarter

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    Yes that is clearly a direct result of the consumer protection laws they have. About half of the country actually has really good consumer protection rules, guess I shouldn't have picked two states you have something against.
     
  4. vengence

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    lol
     
  5. noquarter

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    Hey it is illegal to change the VIN on a car :)
     
  6. darkpaw

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    I don't agree with the blame the consumer bit at all. Most consumers are not going to read tech news, they'll ask a (usually) clueless sales rep or just go by the box. They wouldn't rebrand if they weren't trying to sucker people.

    The 4mx was one of the largest scams of all times, how many years did game companies have to publish Geforce 4 or better (not MX) on their requirements because of that crap?

    The infinite rebranding is clearly designed to take advantage of people, it serves no other purpose.
     
  7. sdlvx

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    Stop with the comparisons to cars already! Does Chevy need to upgrade their cars to handle the new advanced cutting edge roads that are coming out? Does a car from 10 years ago have a hard time keeping up with the speed limit?

    The car is a horrible analogy. If my Geforce 4 MX 440 could easily play Crysis with the rest of the video cards and Crysis was limited to 30fps I'd say it's valid. The entire point of a car is to get you to point A to point B on things that don't change. Video cards always have new requirements and new standards to meet.

    The proper car analogy would be that the roads were changed to have cork screws and loop da loops, and the speed limit would double every other year.
     
  8. Kowan

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    That's my view also. I don't run low end and when asked, I have to research for friends who don't use highend.
     
  9. piscian18

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    is now muhahahahah

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  10. JaYp146

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    This is one of the few times I agree with you, Dan. Spot on analysis.
     
  11. piscian18

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    I agree you have to admit the rebranding was annoying with the 9 series, frustrating with the GT/S2xx series, and now with a 3 series it's starting to piss me off. It's not fair to whine about PC gamers not being tech savy and then turn around and bitch that PC is gaming is dying. "hmm should I get this? this?wait no...**** it I'm getting an xbox"

    I'm curious how videogame publishers will respond when they have to state minimum requirements for games.

    Required
    Ati HD 4830
    Nvidia 8800GT, 9800GT, GT240, GT330 Oh FFS whatever the 100$ nvidia card is..
     
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  12. Everett1

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    "It worked in the movies!"

    Bleh to these rehash cards and as a poster mentioned, don't see anyone either of this forum buying them.
     
  13. FrgMstr

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    Now introducing! The 2010 8800 GTX! WooHoo!


    yeah, just does not have the same ring to it....

    For the record, I don't like the rebranding, but it is what it is. Make the uninformed think they are getting something new...
     
  14. crowat

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    I know maybe we should have the government dictate what Gfx card producers have to label their products. The rules and regulations around food and medications exist cause they are necessities. You don't have to buy a gfx card at all but you need food and when sick you need medicine to make you healthier.

    Laws and regulations protecting stupid people from making uneducated decisions is not the answer. Also, using the "well they do it in California and NY so it must be a good thing to do" is the wrong answer in my book about 99% of the time.

    File this under Darwin was right...

    Also, Nvidia you can name your products whatever you want. I am buying a 5850 once your golden Fermi comes out anyway.
     
  15. noquarter

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    Hey I never said the gov't should dictate what Nvidia should name their cards. By the time that came out we'd stepped up the hyperbole to nigerian scammers and exploding cars I think, and I was trying to point on gov't regulates a lot of areas that people don't even realize, which makes buying with confidence much easier.


    I think I did say if GPU's were actually important (like food and drugs are) then there'd be regulation on the naming, because you can't depend on either consumers to be smart or companies to be ethical but there are still plenty of protections for consumers for all commerce and this is a good thing.
     
  16. necrophile

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    That comment made me chuckle.
     
  17. shaolin95

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    Not a day passes by without at least one Kill Nvidia thread for ATI fanboys to gather around and feel better about themselves....whats wrong boys..is the fact that the time for the new cards release is getting closer making you nervous and making you need all this silly threads to hug each other say everything is fine?

    I mean really enough already .....and of course I am sure I will be the one getting a warning for posting the obvious
     
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    It's a direct result of the philosophy that leads to overbearing consumer protection laws. States with the most oppressive governments are having the most problems right now.
     
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    This would have been a great post



































    in November :D
     
  20. kllrnohj

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    Funny that not liking Nvidia's decisions automatically makes you an ATI fanboy. Interesting logic there, almost sounds like fanboy logic...
     
  21. FrgMstr

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    Statistically speaking in that situation you should have a greater chance of being an Intel Integrated Graphics fanboy.
     
  22. ihira

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    those G92 cores are like zombies.
     
  23. kirbyrj

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    I think there was a die shrink in there somewhere with the G92 cores wasn't there? Same chip using less power in a lower end system? Sounds like a plan to me.
     
  24. CrazyCuz2k

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    what's with the 5450 bashing? I love my 5450 in my HTPC, you find me a $50 passively cooled vid card that can offload almost 100% of the CPU usage for blu-ray/h264 playback while allowing bitstreamed HD audio in a low profile format, that also does vector adaptive processing? Bash the G92 all you want leave my 5450 alone... haha... at least the 5450 was based on new chipset instead of rehashing a 5 gen old chipset.. and the naming convention makes some sense... 5XXX for generation, 4XX for speed/features of that gen vs rebranding same exact chipset to act like you actually made something new or different.

    It's horseshit and anyone who says otherwise a blind fanboi. That much is obvious. I don't care who makes what but Nvidia's business/marketing practices have been highly suspect these past few years. But if you work in corporate america, it's SOP.
     
  25. RamonGTP

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    Because your average consumer should know that they need to do some research when they see a HP computer at BB that says GeForce 350 next to one that says GeForce 250 to find out they are identical?

    Clearly, it would be foolish and unreasonable to simply assume that two products with different model numbers are actually... different.

    Yes, it's marketing, but it's dishonest marketing, regardless of who's doing it.
     
  26. SixtyWattMan

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    nvidia is evil, buy ATI.
     
  27. Rogue71

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    to me its the whole point of what they are doing. it isnt dishonest??? holy crap. yes it is.and it should be illegal. yes its marketting. no frigging kidding its marketing. its an easy way to try to let customers assume you have a new and improved product just because the number is different. this is called deception. i know of no other industry where this would or could be tolerated. yes people should do their homework. yes its not a hidden secret...to those people that spend hours online in forums like this finding this stuff out. fact is the majority of people do not.
     
  28. Rogue71

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    yep i agree.
     
  29. vengence

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    And how does the average consume pick up a 5750 and a 4870 and know which one is faster? There isn't a 350 there is a 320 a 310 and a 340. Anyone who is stupid enough to own a GTS 250 and replace it with a (oem only) GTS 340 is going to replace thier 4870 with a 5750 because the first number is higher!

    I'll agree the average consumer is an idiot! But if the guy spent 200$ last time, he's going to spend 200$ this time. The G92 isn't a 200$ card anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
     
  30. RamonGTP

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    I was using the numbers 250 and 350 to show an illustration, I don't know what the actual new naming convention is.

    The average consumer isn't an idiot, they're just ignorant to THIS, so they have to rely on common sense. Common sense would dictate that a 4870 and 5750 are different cards, and it would be true and at least allow the consumer to make a somewhat more informed purchasing decision... But I guess informed decisions would go against nVidia's bottom line, so they have to throw that whole common sense concept out the window and replace it with "marketing"

    And it's not just about buying a video card. Most people buy full retail computers. I can easily see how an "older" model can be on clearance for less money than a "newer" model with the exact same hardware, and the uninformed average consumer could easily pick the more expensive option thinking he's actually getting newer hardware.
     
  31. kadozer

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    Nvidia fan forum logic

    You are only allowed to either:

    A: jump for joy and sing Fermi's praises
    B: Be negative about Fermi

    You are either a Nvidia or an AMD fan.

    No you cannot be a plain consumer voicing your opinions unless they are positive. If that is the case you will be welcomed to the Nvidia hive.


    addendum: Negative comments about Fermi means you are a scared AMD fanboy.
     
  32. BlueStorm

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    This is done for OEMs, because they don't want to have the upgrade choices on their OEM systems go:

    8800GTX

    9600GT

    GTX 260

    How can a consumer even know whats the best? Do you go by high or lower order decimal place? Do you go by the smaller looking number? 260 looks smallest.. it must be slowest, right? Regardless of what you guys may think, what I described above is far worse for consumers buying a PC.. the inability to even know what's better than what where there are legitimate differences. This is a huge headache for OEMs, so whenever NVIDIA doesn't have a new product for something like this, they'll rename for the OEMs sake.

    Sure it's a reflection on NVIDIAs inability to get top to bottom product line-ups out lately, but it's definitely not like as if they think they're "tricking" anyone. A simple google search will tell people what the card is.. NVIDIA is under no illusions about this.
     
  33. ChronoDetector

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    More of NVIDIA's rebranding? We all knew it was going to happen, and we all know that NVIDIA loves their G92 core and they will keep selling it and rebrand it under a new name. But if that works, thats good for NVIDIA.
     
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    Is that a euphemism for "trolling every Nvidia or Fermi thread"? :cool:

    Way too many people go out of their way to piss on Nvidia. It's not natural....
     
  35. kadozer

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    I suppose it depends on who's asking. I'm really interested in more info on Fermi ;)
    I do get the knee jerk reaction.
     
  36. sparks

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    well I am not an ATI fan boy, or an N boy.
    I am a money boy I want more for my money.
    THIS IS NOT IT.
    This is pure bs.
    yep we sold XXX card for $200 now its only running in the $60 card frame rate and feature range.
    LETS CALL IT YYY and ask $120...yea that will work.

    F Nvidia and if ATI pulled this crap I would scream F ATI
     
  37. trinibwoy

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    Have Nvidia's renames had bad price/perf? If anything it's the "real" refreshes based on GT2xx that are out of whack price wise. Unless I'm mistaken the renames seem to be priced exactly where they belong.
     
  38. noquarter

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    Well, actually yea, the GT240's are the same price as 9800GT if you stick with main brand (ASUS, XFX, EVGA, etc) but they perform like a 9600GT, so.. really bad price/perf there.
     
  39. Jhalf

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    Someone remind me... how many average consumers even game on the PC anymore?
     
  40. vengence

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    So how does common sense dictate that a 4870 is faster than a 5750, but common sense does not dictate that a 250 is slower than a 320? Magic fairies?

    Clearance sells account for less than 10% of hardware sales (otherwise they wouldn't be on clearance.) And the same point still stands, how does an ATI consumer know to buy the 4870 512 MB on clearance for 125$ instead of a 5750 for 129$ new?

    You are setting a double standard without ANY basis.