Nvidia is At It Again

(. nVidia should get into photo-realistic virtual child porn, I'm sure that could make the shareholders a lot of money, therefore they're justified in doing it .)

There's absolutely no reason to do these rebrandings _except_ to mislead consumers. That's the bottom line. Anyone who thinks it's okay is a "moran".

We had a national scandal here a few years back where a chain of stores would take minced meat that was past its due date (and unsellable), rip up the packages, mix it with a half-new batch (if you were lucky) and repackage it. Out it went in the store the next morning as "Freshly minced meat".

Who cares, it's just markering, eh? Enjoy your meal.
 
eloj said:
(. nVidia should get into photo-realistic virtual child porn, I'm sure that could make the shareholders a lot of money, therefore they're justified in doing it .)

There's absolutely no reason to do these rebrandings _except_ to mislead consumers. That's the bottom line. Anyone who thinks it's okay is a "moran".

We had a national scandal here a few years back where a chain of stores would take minced meat that was past its due date (and unsellable), rip up the packages, mix it with a half-new batch (if you were lucky) and repackage it. Out it went in the store the next morning as "Freshly minced meat".

Who cares, it's just markering, eh?
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And a GPU based on old technology isn't going to damage your health.

And child porn? Really? Surprised nobody has related nV to Hitler yet...
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
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I would laugh pretty hard if someone bought all of these cards, in this order, expecting an upgrade each time.
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I hate to be the noob here but 9600GSo is a G80 core not a G92 correct. That would be 9800GT which was a rebadged 8800GT?
 
It is very misleading but not techniquely a scam. Average joe schmoe won't catch the details of it though and will likely purchase the cheapest card with the most RAM. Nvidia has been quite shady in their marketing tactics for quite some time now.
 
Being unethical I believe is what this thread is about.

If we were to buy one of these cards based on the model number that would be same on us.
If our grandma was to buy one based on the model number would that be shame on her? After all we are talking about the ones that can have a comparison page up and have no clue as to what they are looking for.

Just think if an un-tech-savy spouse was to silently purchase you one of these as a gift. It's new, it's just been released. It must be good! For most part these are likely to be rare scenarios, but gets the point across.

I think the point is a re-badge should be more noticeable rather than pushing through the name scheme confusion.

Illegal? No
Shady? Yes

Toppled with the heat of Nvidia already, the flames are to be expected.
 
Yeah. I say Dan has 500 internet points. I think we should all just suck it up and agree that this is exactly what the market needs. No need for newer cards. We should all accept that rebranding is what we as consumers should applaud. We can only hope that AMD and nv stop innovating and bringing new products to market right now, and just rename all existing products for the next 10 years. If consumers don't know or care what's inside their purchase, it's their fault, and therefore IHV's should soak for all their worth.

If rebranding is accepted and sells while making AMD an nv lots of money, that's all that should matter. Everything else is irrelevant. So stop producing new products nv and AMD (well, AMD at least as it seems nv is already complying).

Realistically, what's stopping them both from axing R&D, and simply changing the name on the cards for the next 10 years? Stop producing new and exciting architectures damnit!
 
Lets calm the rage for a second...

Did anyone even bother to ask if its a 55nm to 40nm die shrink for the full G92b (128 shader part)?
 
mafa said:
Dan_D said:
Jesus Christ. When are people going to get over this? It isn't a scam, it isn't evil, and it isn't dishonest. It is a marketing thing. If you as a consumer are doing your due diligence when making a purchasing decision you'd find out what a given GPU is in the course of your research. More importantly that doesn't even matter. You look at what is available in your price point and get the best one. If that's last years GPU and you know what features it does or doesn't have, why does that matter?
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Interesting point, I suppose that Nigerian emails are not really scams, Had the victim done their research before they pay up, no body gets hurt, it is telemarketing
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Well, a bit of a stretch, but yea Dan_D doesn't seem to realize why we don't have laissez-faire capitalism and have tons and tons of consumer protection laws in the books especially in states like California and NY. It's the company's ethical responsibility to be clear on what product it is trying to sell you, otherwise there'd still be a big market for snake oil. There are far too many products and ways to cheat consumers for businesses to have no ethical responsibility and force consumers to research everything they purchase to no end.

Think Coca-Cola/Pepsi claiming each can was 2 servings so they could get away with only listing half the sugars if you don't think there's regulation on shit.

Also this isn't an Nvidia/ATI war thing. It was stupid back when ATI did it bunch of generations ago, but they have had a much more deliberate and straightforward naming system since.
 
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lol, I find it amusing that they say that the 8800GT hasn't aged well since it is severely outperformed by the 5870. WTF? I would hope that a card that is two years newer and costs 3 times as much would peform better. The 8800gt was never a high end card. I paid something like $140 after rebates for mine back in early 2008.
 
flippin_waffles said:
Yeah. I say Dan has 500 internet points. I think we should all just suck it up and agree that this is exactly what the market needs. No need for newer cards. We should all accept that rebranding is what we as consumers should applaud. We can only hope that AMD and nv stop innovating and bringing new products to market right now, and just rename all existing products for the next 10 years. If consumers don't know or care what's inside their purchase, it's their fault, and therefore IHV's should soak for all their worth.

If rebranding is accepted and sells while making AMD an nv lots of money, that's all that should matter. Everything else is irrelevant. So stop producing new products nv and AMD (well, AMD at least as it seems nv is already complying).

Realistically, what's stopping them both from axing R&D, and simply changing the name on the cards for the next 10 years? Stop producing new and exciting architectures damnit!
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I don't think we need to be so cynical about it. I admit I haven't upgraded my card because it just hasn't been necessary since the gaming industry isn't keeping up but aside from consoles I firmly believe they are looking at things like steam and associated hardware polls and making decisions on whether they can get by with todays engine or if they should push money into something new that might be more costly. I'd like to believe that knowing most PC gamers have tricked out systems that can take advantage of direct11 developers will start purchasing/building more graphics intensive engines thus continuing the cycle.
 
vengence said:
The 300 series is an OEM only series. Furthermore, the GF100 will be released as the GTX 480 and GTX 470.
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The GT220 and such were OEM only when they first came out as well and those are retail cards now, so no doubt these GT300's will migrate to retail within a couple months as well. But yea, they decided to release Fermi as GTX 400 since they'd already tainted the 300 number with the GT310 part which was a relabeled GT210.
 
Its bad but not utterly too confusing

Since the GF100 are the 400 series and these are 300 its easy to know which cards have got DX11 and which cards havent. nVidia made it apparent that the the 300 cards are all 10.1 and its just filling a void for the 400 series.

In all honesty though, if you know what DX11 is then I am pretty sure you should know which series has got it. ANd if you don't then you probably won't give a shit.
 
Can/should Mazda sell their 2008 models with an updated VIN and a badge that says 2010?

Yes, every video card thread needs a bad car analogy, why stop the trend now?
 
noquarter said:
Well, a bit of a stretch, but yea Dan_D doesn't seem to realize why we don't have laissez-faire capitalism and have tons and tons of consumer protection laws in the books especially in states like California and NY.
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And how did that work out for everyone? California and New York are pretty much failed states with dysfunctional governments and people fleeing in droves.

Just think if an un-tech-savy spouse was to silently purchase you one of these as a gift. It's new, it's just been released. It must be good! For most part these are likely to be rare scenarios, but gets the point across.
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Crazy idea: people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't be buying computer parts. The real culprit here is the person who married a moron who wasn't smart enough to realize that she shouldn't buy something that she doesn't understand. For the vast majority of consumer electronics, someone who doesn't know anything about them is going to buy the wrong thing. In fact, this probably extends to consumer products in general.
 
JapaneseGorilla said:
lol, I find it amusing that they say that the 8800GT hasn't aged well since it is severely outperformed by the 5870. WTF? I would hope that a card that is two years newer and costs 3 times as much would peform better. The 8800gt was never a high end card. I paid something like $140 after rebates for mine back in early 2008.
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8800 GT was over $300 shortly after release in late 2007. The rest of your statement seems valid.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Can/should Mazda sell their 2008 models with an updated VIN and a badge that says 2010?

Yes, every video card thread needs a bad car analogy, why stop the trend now?
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You don't think car company's do that now?
They don't make major changes every year, and some years they don't make any changes...:D
 
Crosshairs said:
You don't think car company's do that now?
They don't make major changes every year, and some years they don't make any changes...:D
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Sure they make changes. Usually reducing cost (and quality) on components in the dash, maybe changing a tiny piece of trim here or there, an extra spray of new car scent to make it smell a year newer, accidentally leaving a porn disc in the dvd player.

It's the little things, ya know. ;)
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Sure they make changes. Usually reducing cost (and quality) on components in the dash, maybe changing a tiny piece of trim here or there, an extra spray of new car scent to make it smell a year newer, accidentally leaving a porn disc in the dvd player.

It's the little things, ya know. ;)
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Most of the time the differences aren't anything you'd ever see. Sometimes they just switch to cheaper suppliers of shocks, struts, or other components. Bottom line is that some vehicles really don't get anything other than cosmetic changes for upwards of 6 to 10 years. GM hasn't changed the frame of the Silverado and GMC Sierra since 2001. The engine choices have largely been the same with a few new ones added in too. People don't bitch about that or act like it is a rip off. So what if NVIDIA makes changes to the G92 every so often and gives it a different name? Car companies do that too. The Cobalt was going to be the next Cavalier but they decided to change the name. The Ford 500 was the next generation Taurus, but when the 500 didn't sell they changed the name back to "Taurus." It's just a name and its all about marketing.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Can/should Mazda sell their 2008 models with an updated VIN and a badge that says 2010?

Yes, every video card thread needs a bad car analogy, why stop the trend now?
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1995-2004 I won't say every year is a rebadge but pretty damn close.
 
hbidad said:
Being unethical I believe is what this thread is about.

If we were to buy one of these cards based on the model number that would be same on us.
If our grandma was to buy one based on the model number would that be shame on her? After all we are talking about the ones that can have a comparison page up and have no clue as to what they are looking for.

Just think if an un-tech-savy spouse was to silently purchase you one of these as a gift. It's new, it's just been released. It must be good! For most part these are likely to be rare scenarios, but gets the point across.

I think the point is a re-badge should be more noticeable rather than pushing through the name scheme confusion.

Illegal? No
Shady? Yes

Toppled with the heat of Nvidia already, the flames are to be expected.
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How is this ANY different than your spouse buying you a 5450 to replace your 4870x2?

ATI should be called unethical and tricking consumers because the 5850 and below is less powerful than a 4870x2. Them naming anything on the 5 series that is slower than anything on the 4 series is unethical and wrong, blah blah blah blah blah. It's the same argument.
 
Capitalism isn't about businesses doing whatever they want. If that's capitalism, then I reject capitalism (and I consider myself a capitalist).

I'm all for holding businesses in accountable and giving power to the consumer. The more knowledge the consumer has, the more the consumer votes with their wallet, the better prices and product quality will be. Businesses would then be too scared to mess around with shady stuff if the consumer was smarter. Instead of focusing on the quality of marketing, they would focus more on the quality of the product.

And we don't need the government to tell Nvidia what to do either. Government mandates tend to just backfire spreading the damage back to the consumer in a round about way.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Can/should Mazda sell their 2008 models with an updated VIN and a badge that says 2010?

Yes, every video card thread needs a bad car analogy, why stop the trend now?
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Quoting myself for reading comprehension. I don't think the rebadging is any worse than any other consumer industry product. I thought my second post would help clear things up, Dan even unwittingly agreed with my post all the while typing like he disagreed.
 
Parmenides said:
Capitalism isn't about businesses doing whatever they want. If that's capitalism, then I reject capitalism (and I consider myself a capitalist).

I'm all for holding businesses in accountable and giving power to the consumer. The more knowledge the consumer has, the more the consumer votes with their wallet, the better prices and product quality will be. Businesses would then be too scared to mess around with shady stuff if the consumer was smarter. Instead of focusing on the quality of marketing, they would focus more on the quality of the product.

And we don't need the government to tell Nvidia what to do either. Government mandates tend to just backfire spreading the damage back to the consumer in a round about way.
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We, as consumers, are responsible for this. That is why sites like the [H] are great, we discuss this technology until we are blue in the face, people DO read it and form their own opinions.
 
hbidad said:
Just think if an un-tech-savy spouse was to silently purchase you one of these as a gift. It's new, it's just been released. It must be good! For most part these are likely to be rare scenarios, but gets the point across.
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People seem to keep missing the point that these are OEM only. A spouse wouldn't be buying this unless it's a complete system from Dell, etc.

It's not going to sit on a retail shelf next to a GTX 240 and confuse customers due to the numbering.
 
mafa said:
"Instead, Nvidia has merely rebranded some of its older chips with bigger numbers for the benefit of OEMs"

Thats scam.
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Both OEMs and Nvidia have been in on this scam since it began several years ago. OEMs have never given a rats ass if a chip is renamed as long as they can buy it cheap and sell it for a profit to ignorant consumers.
 
Deeky said:
... but better than Toyota. At least their GPUs won't plunge you off a cliff at 130mph.
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ever hear of turning off the key, or neutral? dumbasses should learn how to drive a car, and how it works. only an idiot would let it go to 130mph....
 
dccmadams said:
ever hear of turning off the key, or neutral? dumbasses should learn how to drive a car.
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Quoted before the edit to show how ignorant and uninformed some neckbeards are. The issue was never the drivers fault. It is the accelerator pedals that would get stuck and you would not be able to release it.
 
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I drove my 5870 to work today.

Won't be doing that again - it gray screened and killed my passenger.

=(
 
Lorien said:
Quoted before the edit to show how ignorant and uninformed some neckbeards are. The issue was never the drivers fault. It is the accelerator pedals that would get stuck and you would not be able to release it.
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Doesn't take control of the gearshift though. If you aren't a terrible driver you can stop your car easily - but if you're in traffic you probably wouldn't have time.
 
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