SixtyWattMan
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This is not a fucking automotive forum.
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And how did that work out for everyone? California and New York are pretty much failed states with dysfunctional governments and people fleeing in droves.
Mathematically 5850 < 9740
So that 4870x2 really is more powerful if you do the math!
Can/should Mazda sell their 2008 models with an updated VIN and a badge that says 2010?
Yes, every video card thread needs a bad car analogy, why stop the trend now?
This is not a fucking automotive forum.
Jesus Christ. When are people going to get over this? It isn't a scam, it isn't evil, and it isn't dishonest. It is a marketing thing. If you as a consumer are doing your due diligence when making a purchasing decision you'd find out what a given GPU is in the course of your research. More importantly that doesn't even matter. You look at what is available in your price point and get the best one. If that's last years GPU and you know what features it does or doesn't have, why does that matter?
I swear people get bent out of shape about the most inconsequential of things. I'm no NVIDIA fanboy, but I've got to say I just can't bring myself to care about this, nor do I believe this is a big deal. It isn't as if they are secretly re-branding things. There is too much information about it for that to be the case.
I don't agree with the blame the consumer bit at all. Most consumers are not going to read tech news, they'll ask a (usually) clueless sales rep or just go by the box. They wouldn't rebrand if they weren't trying to sucker people.
The 4mx was one of the largest scams of all times, how many years did game companies have to publish Geforce 4 or better (not MX) on their requirements because of that crap?
The infinite rebranding is clearly designed to take advantage of people, it serves no other purpose.
I prefer to shoot them in the head.
Hey I never said the gov't should dictate what Nvidia should name their cards. By the time that came out we'd stepped up the hyperbole to nigerian scammers and exploding cars I think, and I was trying to point on gov't regulates a lot of areas that people don't even realize, which makes buying with confidence much easier.I know maybe we should have the government dictate what Gfx card producers have to label their products. The rules and regulations around food and medications exist cause they are necessities. You don't have to buy a gfx card at all but you need food and when sick you need medicine to make you healthier.
Laws and regulations protecting stupid people from making uneducated decisions is not the answer. Also, using the "well they do it in California and NY so it must be a good thing to do" is the wrong answer in my book about 99% of the time.
File this under Darwin was right...
Also, Nvidia you can name your products whatever you want. I am buying a 5850 once your golden Fermi comes out anyway.
I think it is way past dominating and up to wicked sick at this point.
Yes that is clearly a direct result of the consumer protection laws they have. About half of the country actually has really good consumer protection rules, guess I shouldn't have picked two states you have something against.
Not a day passes by without at least one Kill Nvidia thread for ATI fanboys to gather around and feel better about themselves....whats wrong boys..is the fact that the time for the new cards release is getting closer making you nervous and making you need all this silly threads to hug each other say everything is fine?
I mean really enough already .....and of course I am sure I will be the one getting a warning for posting the obvious
Not a day passes by without at least one Kill Nvidia thread for ATI fanboys to gather around and feel better about themselves....whats wrong boys..is the fact that the time for the new cards release is getting closer making you nervous and making you need all this silly threads to hug each other say everything is fine?
I mean really enough already .....and of course I am sure I will be the one getting a warning for posting the obvious
Funny that not liking Nvidia's decisions automatically makes you an ATI fanboy. Interesting logic there, almost sounds like fanboy logic...
Jesus Christ. When are people going to get over this? It isn't a scam, it isn't evil, and it isn't dishonest. It is a marketing thing. If you as a consumer are doing your due diligence when making a purchasing decision you'd find out what a given GPU is in the course of your research. More importantly that doesn't even matter. You look at what is available in your price point and get the best one. If that's last years GPU and you know what features it does or doesn't have, why does that matter?
I swear people get bent out of shape about the most inconsequential of things. I'm no NVIDIA fanboy, but I've got to say I just can't bring myself to care about this, nor do I believe this is a big deal. It isn't as if they are secretly re-branding things. There is too much information about it for that to be the case.
Because your average consumer should know that they need to do some research when they see a HP computer at BB that says GeForce 350 next to one that says GeForce 250 to find out they are identical?
Clearly, it would be foolish and unreasonable to simply assume that two products with different model numbers are actually... different.
Yes, it's marketing, but it's dishonest marketing, regardless of who's doing it.
Because your average consumer should know that they need to do some research when they see a HP computer at BB that says GeForce 350 next to one that says GeForce 250 to find out they are identical?
Clearly, it would be foolish and unreasonable to simply assume that two products with different model numbers are actually... different.
Yes, it's marketing, but it's dishonest marketing, regardless of who's doing it.
And how does the average consume pick up a 5750 and a 4870 and know which one is faster? There isn't a 350 there is a 320 a 310 and a 340. Anyone who is stupid enough to own a GTS 250 and replace it with a (oem only) GTS 340 is going to replace thier 4870 with a 5750 because the first number is higher!
I'll agree the average consumer is an idiot! But if the guy spent 200$ last time, he's going to spend 200$ this time. The G92 isn't a 200$ card anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
Funny that not liking Nvidia's decisions automatically makes you an ATI fanboy. Interesting logic there, almost sounds like fanboy logic...
a plain consumer voicing your opinions
Is that a euphemism for "trolling every Nvidia or Fermi thread"?
Way too many people go out of their way to piss on Nvidia. It's not natural....
Have Nvidia's renames had bad price/perf? If anything it's the "real" refreshes based on GT2xx that are out of whack price wise. Unless I'm mistaken the renames seem to be priced exactly where they belong.
I was using the numbers 250 and 350 to show an illustration, I don't know what the actual new naming convention is.
The average consumer isn't an idiot, they're just ignorant to THIS, so they have to rely on common sense. Common sense would dictate that a 4870 and 5750 are different cards, and it would be true and at least allow the consumer to make a somewhat more informed purchasing decision... But I guess informed decisions would go against nVidia's bottom line, so they have to throw that whole common sense concept out the window and replace it with "marketing"
And it's not just about buying a video card. Most people buy full retail computers. I can easily see how an "older" model can be on clearance for less money than a "newer" model with the exact same hardware, and the uninformed average consumer could easily pick the more expensive option thinking he's actually getting newer hardware.