NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

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No, I actually asked this a while ago, you can't use the ATX bracket with the window.
Hey Necere maybe a front mount bracket specifically for SFX PSUs, one that allows the window AND adds the ability to attach a single 120mm fan for exhaust out the top of the chassis...?

Another option for top exhaust, with the standard configuration of the SFX PSU alongside the motherboard, mounting four 80mm fans. two over the motherboard & two in front of the PSU...?

I'm gonna stop typing now... ;^p
 

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Hey Necere maybe a front mount bracket specifically for SFX PSUs, one that allows the window AND adds the ability to attach a single 120mm fan for exhaust out the top of the chassis...?

Another option for top exhaust, with the standard configuration of the SFX PSU alongside the motherboard, mounting four 80mm fans. two over the motherboard & two in front of the PSU...?

I'm gonna stop typing now... ;^p
So for V6 I've redesigned the SFX bracket such that it can be installed either in the original side location, or at the front. It's not backward compatible with V5 though unfortunately, as it required some changes to the bracket and chassis to make it work in both locations. The ATX bracket will no longer be included.

As for additional fan mounts at the top, there really isn't enough room to make that work.
 

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So for V6 I've redesigned the SFX bracket such that it can be installed either in the original side location, or at the front.
Do you mean that it can be rotated 90° so that it's behind the front panel and "across" the case? What is the advantage of that orientation compared to the standard "side mounted" one? Wouldn't it impinge on the clearance at the side panel?

Sorry if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to get my head round this and work out what benefit you'd get from having a little bit more space between the motherboard and PSU.
 

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I'm trying to get my head round this and work out what benefit you'd get from having a little bit more space between the motherboard and PSU.
Most people that I’ve seen rotate their SFX psu to the “atx” position was to get a bit more room for the C14S’s bottom A14 fan. With the psu in the normal spot, the 140mm fan wouldn’t fit underneath the heatsink. The smaller SFX unit in the front position also creates a gap on the side panel where some additional air can enter/exhaust through the vent holes
 

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Do you mean that it can be rotated 90° so that it's behind the front panel and "across" the case? What is the advantage of that orientation compared to the standard "side mounted" one? Wouldn't it impinge on the clearance at the side panel?

Sorry if these are silly questions, but I'm trying to get my head round this and work out what benefit you'd get from having a little bit more space between the motherboard and PSU.
Yeah, across the case. Basically what people were already doing using the ATX bracket.

Clearance for the bottom fan on the C14S is the main thing. There are also some microATX-ish motherboards that will benefit from it.
 

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Yeah, across the case. Basically what people were already doing using the ATX bracket.

Clearance for the bottom fan on the C14S is the main thing. There are also some microATX-ish motherboards that will benefit from it.
Ah, thanks for clarifying. Makes sense, although it's a shame it breaks compatibility for such an edge case.
 

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Any ideas how to repaint shallow cosmetic scratches in the NCASE’s paint? On a black case.

Also one of the expansion slot screw threads has stripped (seems common with Lian-Li aluminum) any idea if there is a way to repair that, or should i accept it and move on?
 

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Any ideas how to repaint shallow cosmetic scratches in the NCASE’s paint? On a black case.

Also one of the expansion slot screw threads has stripped (seems common with Lian-Li aluminum) any idea if there is a way to repair that, or should i accept it and move on?
A black sharpie might be your best bet, to be honest. The case panels aren't painted, they're anodised, so touching them up is going to tricky.

In terms of the expansion slot, you could go for a nut & bolt solution rather than a screw.
 

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Has anyone tried sandblasting the panels? Powder coating? Thinking of bringing it into a professional shop
 
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Any ideas how to repaint shallow cosmetic scratches in the NCASE’s paint? On a black case.

Also one of the expansion slot screw threads has stripped (seems common with Lian-Li aluminum) any idea if there is a way to repair that, or should i accept it and move on?
Probably just move on... :( There's not enough clearance or thickness for a proper repair;
1. Helicoil would be the standard for a stripped component like this that you can't tap
2. Small barrel nut like this would work if you had surrounding clearance
3. Sex nut and barrel bolt combo if you lack clearance, but getting one in a small enough diameter would be difficult
 
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Probably just move on... :( There's not enough clearance or thickness for a proper repair;
1. Helicoil would be the standard for a stripped component like this that you can't tap
2. Small barrel nut like this would work if you had surrounding clearance
3. Sex nut and barrel bolt combo if you lack clearance, but getting one in a small enough diameter would be difficult
If you know the size, digikey probably has it. or you can check your local hardware store (not Lowe's/HD, etc -- They may have it, but unlikely).
 
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Just for anyone who is interested. I've created this M1 underdesk hanger

anyone are welcome to download and print em yourself.

link is on thingiverse 3655043

or click https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3655043


cheers.
 

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You are going to need at least the Ncase for this. DTX size and with the height of that DAC not going to fit in many SFF cases.
Imagine the Crosshair VIII Impact with a 240 AIO & a Navi version of this (a version which would actually fit in the M1, of course); maybe Necere is actually from the future & really designed the NCASE M1 for the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Impact...!?!
 

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My old m1 build from 2014 died. Trying to figure out if to salvage and rebuild....OR start from scratch.

Was wondering what an example build might be for air cooling a i9 9900k and gtx 2080

What motherboards are people using?
Graphic cards?
Aio coolers?

What is the gold standard?

Any help would be appreciated. Doing this all from phone :(
 

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A new ultimate SFF motherboard contender...?

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That heatsink looks massive, I'm not sure it'll fit a NCASE M1, at least with the top panel on...
Might not fit in at all as the panel push connectors (don't know the actual name) that hold the panels might interfere with the bottom of the board.

Was looking forward to the Impact reveal, now I'm not so sure...
Got a Noctua NH-C14 I wanted to use with that too, but can't be certain that'll fit either.

Edit: That daughterboard might also cause problems with the side mounted fans.
 
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Mini-DTX is actually already supported, so it should fit in theory.

I have V1 of this case and have my eye on this new ROG Impact. Im more concerned about that I/O though...
 

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Two additional standoffs for mini-DTX/some compact mATX boards have been included since M1 V3: M1 changelog

Mini-DTX doesn't really need the extra standoffs, however, and will work perfectly fine with just the standard mini-ITX standoffs.
 

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Imagine the Crosshair VIII Impact with a 240 AIO & a Navi version of this (a version which would actually fit in the M1, of course); maybe Necere is actually from the future & really designed the NCASE M1 for the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Impact...!?!
Mini-DTX support was always one of my reasons for including three expansion slots - I talked about them early in this thread and I test fit a mini-DTX board in the first prototype. I had hoped it would catch on at some point as an intermediary step between mATX and mini-ITX that would be largely compatible with cases for the latter, but what I kept hearing from users and manufacturers alike was that it was a "dead format," and that there was no point in making them. Nice to finally see some action on that front.
 
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This is great for us M1 owners, but I'm not sure it's a prudent decision on ASUS' part. Other than the M1 I can't think of an ITX case that supports DTX. Even large ITX cases like the the H200i don't support it. There isn't even an extra slot, they just wanted more room.
 

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This is great for us M1 owners, but I'm not sure it's a prudent decision on ASUS' part. Other than the M1 I can't think of an ITX case that supports DTX. Even large ITX cases like the the H200i don't support it. There isn't even an extra slot, they just wanted more room.
Most mini-ITX cases that support a dual-slot GPU in the standard way (i.e., that don't use a riser) should support mini-DTX, even if they don't explicitly call it out. The extra 33mm needed is largely accounted for by the space required by the GPU - only an additional ~5mm is needed:

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I'd be surprised if the H200i didn't have the room.


That said, it's true that it's going to limit the market to mostly non-riser based cases.
 
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Most mini-ITX cases that support a dual-slot GPU in the standard way (i.e., that don't use a riser) should support mini-DTX, even if they don't explicitly call it out. The extra 33mm needed is largely accounted for by the space required by the GPU - only an additional ~5mm is needed:

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I'd be surprised if the H200i didn't have the room.


That said, it's true that it's going to limit the market to mostly non-riser based cases.
Oh I didn't realize that. Okay, not such a bad decision then. I was thinking about the old DTX boards that had the x16 in the second slot position, then you'd need 3 slots like the M1, and the H200i wouldn't work (unless you didn't use a graphics card). But this DTX board from ASUS (and I assume all going forward if it becomes a thing), has the x16 in the first slot, and doesn't even have another slot, so it works with all dual-slot cases that don't use risers. It makes sense that the industry should move in this direction then since there's already widespread compatibility except for our beloved ultra SFF riser cases. So I kind of hope both ITX and DTX can coexist. I'd love to see ASRock do a DTX Threadripper board.

Question -- does the 5.2mm of board past the GPU interfere with bottom 120mm fan placement in the M1? What about 140mm in V6?
 
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I just did a cooling rebuild on my M1 system. My cpu cold plate for the NZXT X52 was not making good contact, however the effect on cooling performance was minimal. What wasn't minimal was reversing the flow of the CPU fans (Noctua Sterrox 12x25s). I now have them as an exhaust. This has further reduced my CPU head room. I've had to take the 8086K and drop it to 1.32V from 1.36V now with a -2 AVX offset, and 130 watt TDP limit. It's still got an all core speed of 5GHZ. Temps are in the low 90s under heavy load, and mid 90s with Prime 29.X with AVX Small FFTs

The side effect though is that the noise of the CPU fans is far, far more noticeable....and now blows hot air at me at all times. Thing is sitting sideways on my desk.

I also swapped the thin Noctua 12x15 120s on the bottom of the case for Noiseblockers I had from my previous build. GPU airflow improved, but increased the turbulance noise at the bottom of the case. However, I'll take the turbulence over the vibration noise of Noctua thin fans.

What has REALLY changed though is that the GPU temps are a full 10C lower than before. I'm seeing 75C playing BFV with DXR Ultra on, at 2GHZ+ with a memory OC of +500 on my RTX 2080 Founders edition. The GPU fan speed has been reduced to 60% at load from 80% as well. Massive, massive difference.

Overall, in gaming, the system is now much quieter and faster. In everything else, it's louder and imperceptibly slower.
 

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I just did a cooling rebuild on my M1 system.
...NZXT X52...
...reversing the flow of the CPU fans (Noctua Sterrox 12x25s). I now have them as an exhaust.
I also swapped the thin Noctua 12x15 120s on the bottom of the case for Noiseblockers I had from my previous build. GPU airflow improved, but increased the turbulance noise at the bottom of the case. However, I'll take the turbulence over the vibration noise of Noctua thin fans.
So, I am guess the bottom fans are set to intake, or...?
 

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A new ultimate SFF motherboard contender...?

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You are going to need at least the Ncase for this. DTX size and with the height of that daughter board not going to fit in many SFF cases.
Imagine the Crosshair VIII Impact with a 240 AIO & a Navi version of this (a version which would actually fit in the M1, of course); maybe Necere is actually from the future & really designed the NCASE M1 for the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Impact...!?!
Mini-DTX support was always one of my reasons for including three expansion slots - I talked about them early in this thread and I test fit a mini-DTX board in the first prototype. I had hoped it would catch on at some point as an intermediary step between mATX and mini-ITX that would be largely compatible with cases for the latter, but what I kept hearing from users and manufacturers alike was that it was a "dead format," and that there was no point in making them. Nice to finally see some action on that front.
Necere - So it seems the SO-DIMM.2 module on the M-DTX Impact board is 82mm tall (from the motherboard PCB surface)...

What is the maximum clearance for a radiator/fans stack on the side bracket then...? I am guessing about 50mm...?
 

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Necere - So it seems the SO-DIMM.2 module on the M-DTX Impact board is 82mm tall (from the motherboard PCB surface)...

What is the maximum clearance for a radiator/fans stack on the side bracket then...? I am guessing about 50mm...?
It’s 130mm clearance to the bracket for a cpu cooler, less 25mm fans and 30mm rad leaves 75mm. Slim fans would leave you ~85mm
 

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Necere - So it seems the SO-DIMM.2 module on the M-DTX Impact board is 82mm tall (from the motherboard PCB surface)...

What is the maximum clearance for a radiator/fans stack on the side bracket then...? I am guessing about 50mm...?
It’s 130mm clearance to the bracket for a cpu cooler, less 25mm fans and 30mm rad leaves 75mm. Slim fans would leave you ~85mm
I was really hoping it was less than 75mm so you would have clearance for radiator + fan.
 

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It’s 130mm clearance to the bracket for a cpu cooler, less 25mm fans and 30mm rad leaves 75mm. Slim fans would leave you ~85mm
But that 130mm is measured from the top of the CPU itself, yeah...?

So the clearance from the top of the motherboard PCB surface to the side bracket should be about 135mm or so...?

Maybe a 55mm thick AIO stack would JUST fit, possibly within a millimeter +/- of the SO-DIMM.2 module...?
 

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But that 130mm is measured from the top of the CPU itself, yeah...?

So the clearance from the top of the motherboard PCB surface to the side bracket should be about 135mm or so...?
Yeah, the CPU socket is about 8mm tall. Overall clearance from the motherboard PCB to the side bracket is ~139mm.
 
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Well, there's a chance: there's about 20-25mm between the GPU and the radiator (27-34mm with the fan bracket in the upper position), and judging by the pics it's possible the daughterboard will fit right into that gap.
 
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Well, there's a chance: there's about 20-25mm between the GPU and the radiator (27-34mm with the fan bracket in the upper position), and judging by the pics it's possible the daughterboard will fit right into that gap.
I did not even think of that particular gap...!

Good to know, thanks...!
 

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I'm honestly torn between this new DTX impact interfering with my other dream components, but it just seems so compelling still.

Probably can't fit the Dark Rock TF for the CPU, a GPU with a backplate, aftermarket heatsink and bottom mounted noctua fans.

I could just not put the daughterboard in, but that means no m.2

Kinda wish asus didn't go crazy with the dual m.2 and just kept the design of the old impact which had the sound card and one m.2 on a much smaller daughterboard that didn't interfere with other components.
 
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I'm honestly torn between this new DTX impact interfering with my other dream components, but it just seems so compelling still.
I totally agree. I have been planning an AMD build and I am seriously considering moving my gaming rig back to my M1 just so I can use this motherboard.
 

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I'm honestly torn between this new DTX impact interfering with my other dream components, but it just seems so compelling still.

Probably can't fit the Dark Rock TF for the CPU, a GPU with a backplate, aftermarket heatsink and bottom mounted noctua fans.

I could just not put the daughterboard in, but that means no m.2

Kinda wish asus didn't go crazy with the dual m.2 and just kept the design of the old impact which had the sound card and one m.2 on a much smaller daughterboard that didn't interfere with other components.
I don't think the last impact board even had m.2. It had a daughter board for sound and one for vrm. Maybe you were thinking about the last strix board, and if so, Asus has one of those for the new chipset too.
 
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