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Love your socket 754?

Hey Duane, good to see you got your posting rights. I'm looking forward to hearing how your rig runs Oblivion. That 1950Pro should do well for you. Welcome to the s754 thread - home of the proud owners of older tech who don't cry about being "abandoned" by AMD!
 
BigMacAttack said:
Hey Duane, good to see you got your posting rights. I'm looking forward to hearing how your rig runs Oblivion. That 1950Pro should do well for you. Welcome to the s754 thread - home of the proud owners of older tech who don't cry about being "abandoned" by AMD!
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Lol, I saw that thread-pretty funny.
 
Heh - yeah. I'm about done with it though. Manny just doesn't get the whole "future outlook" approach and seems to want to remain stuck in the past. He greatly oversimplifies the whole matter with the outlook of a very young child. Oh well, It just goes to show that no matter what AMD does they can't please everyone.
 
Yeah, it was a move they had to do. Can't be odd man out for too long (DDR2). I'd like to see some AMD at the data center I work for, but they seem to be an Intel crowd. *shrugs
 
Sorta sucks that the only change that was made was the switch to DDR2, though....I think that's what's causing all the uproar.

Think about it, our single core s754 Athlon 64's are running nearly neck-and-neck to single core sAM2 chips of the same clockspeed (memory bandwidth aside, Athlon 64's aren't bandwidth starved so it doesn't make all that much of a difference anyway).

Until AMD starts rolling out quad core processors, there's very little reason to move up from s754, and almost no reason to move up from s939.
 
AMD is making all the right moves to start providing OEM's with solutions. Buying ATi gives them chipsets. Moving to DDR2 gives a reduction in power consumption, it also gives the industry one standard to support in mass quantities. I would imagine keeping two types of DDR going would drive up the cost of both (just like it would for AMD to keep both types of chips going). AMD is positioning themselves to really break into the large consumer market, the only issue I see is that maybe they did it a little too fast, and possibly had a spot of bad luck once Intel released Core 2. Bad timing if anything. But I think the goal is to refit AMD to be able to market their product just like Intel can. That should bring in more funds once it takes hold-getting it to stick and sell is the current issue.
 
Don't forget, even Dell started to use AMD chips as options for their pc's... I think they are on the right track as well.
 
Yes, if we look at the whole picture, it looks like AMD is having some pain right now but will become a butterfly soon with the new way like CPU/GPU integration, GPGPU stuff, a strong core architecture ready to be used to evolve in the right path and such. Sometime, it take a strategic retreat to launch a successful attack later.
 
Unknown-One said:
Sorta sucks that the only change that was made was the switch to DDR2, though....I think that's what's causing all the uproar.

Think about it, our single core s754 Athlon 64's are running nearly neck-and-neck to single core sAM2 chips of the same clockspeed (memory bandwidth aside, Athlon 64's aren't bandwidth starved so it doesn't make all that much of a difference anyway).

Until AMD starts rolling out quad core processors, there's very little reason to move up from s754, and almost no reason to move up from s939.
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QFT
Sorry guys - but I think my little side track is taking us away from the heart of our thread. I enjoy talking s754 here and all the other stuff in other threads. I know there isn't too much to talk about here on the s754 thread much anymore and I agree totally with Unknown-One about upgrading. The Brisbane X2 3600+'s look fantastic until I stop and evaluate what I use this home PC for. Once I do that I lose interest in upgrading pretty quickly because there isn't much that could be done with an upgrade that I can't presently do. Still, maybe I could sell my 3700+ Clawhammer at work (have you seen the prices these things are getting on ebay?:eek: ) and get a nice AM2 dual core setup there. I know it would be useable at work - especially with Acad R2008 due out soon. Man I hate thinking of leaving R2004 behind.I'll hold onto it as long as I can but eventually I'll have to switch. Now THAT is what really sux too!
 
Ok,

I loaded Oblivion today and it seems ok at 1024x768 with medium detail. I see a lot of people mention use 2gig of ram. yes that I might help. But you might just as well move on if you start to max out your 754 platform. I have played Oblivion for 2 hours now and I am happy running the 1950 pro ATI pci-e 256. 3200 at 2600 one gig of pc2700.

I can one thing this game usues everything you have after playing quake 4 and titans quest on my setup.

Duane MI
 
That's pretty cool Duane. I've heard that Oblivion will put a hurt on equipment. Evidently that 1950Pro is up to the task.
I expected FEAR to really test my setup but had no problem playing it after running the test and letting the program configure itself for the best settings. I think I'm going to max my oc on both cpu and video card and see if I can't squeeze a bit more out of it in terms of the quality settings. The X800Pro is no world beater but for its time it was a great little card.
I really like the graphics in FEAR and the first time you play it it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and gives you goosebumps! Definitely a psychological thriller.
I've only seen screen shots of Oblivion. What is the storyline of the game?
 
BigMacAttack said:
That's pretty cool Duane. I've heard that Oblivion will put a hurt on equipment. Evidently that 1950Pro is up to the task.
I expected FEAR to really test my setup but had no problem playing it after running the test and letting the program configure itself for the best settings. I think I'm going to max my oc on both cpu and video card and see if I can't squeeze a bit more out of it in terms of the quality settings. The X800Pro is no world beater but for its time it was a great little card.
I really like the graphics in FEAR and the first time you play it it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and gives you goosebumps! Definitely a psychological thriller.
I've only seen screen shots of Oblivion. What is the storyline of the game?
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I can't play doom type games... even the original doom on my old 486 used to scare the crap out of me, playing it alone. You can't imagine how much scarier doom 3 is... LoL. I just put them away in their designated sleeves in my folder. ha.

As for Oblivion, i'm waiting for that game to be like 15 bucks to pick it up, kinda like how the previous elders scroll was. It looks great in person. The person I sold my 24" Dell monitor to had it and wanted to show me after he set it up. It looked GOOOD... but since I don't really have much time to game now, it's not going to hurt to wait a while. I'm sure by the time I get it, there will be some new eye candy on the shelves with DX10. ha
 
When you start loading mods for Oblivion (or any game for that matter), you do need to be careful about what you load when dealing with a s754 system. Some mods out there increase CPU overhead, and we have very little room to spare in that regard.

VFD mods are to be avoided at all costs, they do make things look nicer by allowing you to see ruins and buildings from much farther away, but they also increase the number of unique objects on the screen. DirectX9 has a limit to the number of unique objects that can be displayed, and once thing limit is reached, CPU overhead starts going up exponentially per-extra-object; even if you're video card can handle drawing everything perfectly well, you'll still drop down into the 10FPS zone when you have to wait for your CPU to catch up. Not every area will have enough objects to cause you to hit this limit, even with a VWD mod installed, but the second you reach the limit your framerate will tank into the single digits. This can cause performance drops at odd times; walking up to the Imperial Docks is notorious for causing FPS to tank when a VWD mod is installed, because the area contains enough objects to push you over the edge once a VWD mod is installed.

Mods that add scrips are also something to be wary of, many are pretty light and don't have any impact on performance, but sometimes you get a poorly coded script that manages to eat enough CPU cycles to start starving out the rest of Oblivion.

Mods that add lots of NCP's will also start pushing the bottleneck towards you're CPU, but you would need to load a ton of them for long-distance AI to start backing up, so this is a non-issue in most cases. Loading MMM, OBO, Oblivion Children, and Natural Environments all at the same time might just do it though...


Bah, I'm rambling. You guys get the idea, avoid placing a bottleneck on your CPU. For reference, here are all the mods I'm running on the first system in my sig (* = Must Have Mods):

Mods That Require ESP's:
Blackjack
*Everburn Torches
*Fixed Max Carrying Capacity
*A's Elven Longsword
*A's Elven Swords
Portable Fire and Tent
Badder Spell FX
Better Forests
*Bounty Reduction over Time
Real Size Rats
Frostcrag Spire (official mod)
Horse Armor (official mod)
The Orrery (official Mod)
*Dyseso Alchemy Potion Perks
E3 Emporer Face
Faster Grass (Fixes animation speed of Time 2x)
Faster Trees (Fixes animation speed of Time 2x)
*Fathis Fix
Fewer Oblivion Gates
Horse Follow
*Illumination Within
Warp Reality Spell
Larger Ogres and Trolls
*Liter Arrows
Mark & Recall
More Shields
*Natural Environments (all mods in pack)
*No Psychic Guards
No More Random Vampire
*Oblivion Cats
*KeyChain
Perception V2
*Quest Award Leveling
Hear Rain Indoors
*Safe Archmage Storage Fix
*Skingrad Bridge Lights Fix
Slayers Sword
More Staves
*Stuck Skill Fix
Time 2x (days last 2x as long)
*Unofficial Oblivion Patch
Veshnaker's Mysticism Spellpack
Devin Spellcraft Knowledge
*Streamline 2.1 (requires OBSE)

Mods That Do Not Require ESP's
*Qarls Texture Pack 3
*BT Mod (improved game interface and menus)
*Qarl TP3 Compatible LOD Textures
*Low Poly Grass
*Oblivion Polygon Overhaul (OPO)
*Operation Optimization
*Better Staves

* = Must Have Mods
 
Ed_Fresh said:
Anyone know anywhere I can find a good deal on a 3400+ venice?
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You're best bet is asking for one here... (in the for sale thread)... just post WTB, maybe you can get one for $50 shipped.... or rarely on ebay for up to $100.
 
That would be so cool if they had a s754 to 939 convert to allow us to use s939 chips on s754 mobo's... remember how they had stuff like that back in the 486 days up to the pentium 3's?

The only think I saw recently was a motherboard for 939 systems to upgrade to am2, but that's a huge add on card. lol.
 
Yeah, s754 will be around for awhile yet in my house. I don't plan on upgrading to another socket until the quad cores are in abundance. Maybe 18-24 months away?

The latest game I have installed on my machine is Far Cry and that's only because it came as a free gift with my 3000+ Newcastle cpu purchase back in '05. :D

After my last final tomorrow I will be testing out my 3200+ Venice I purchased about a month ago. I paid $42.00 thinking that was the lowest it would go before the Egg ran dry, but now it's down to $36.00 with free shipping! :eek:
 
Jeeper94 said:
Yeah, s754 will be around for awhile yet in my house. I don't plan on upgrading to another socket until the quad cores are in abundance. Maybe 18-24 months away?

The latest game I have installed on my machine is Far Cry and that's only because it came as a free gift with my 3000+ Newcastle cpu purchase back in '05. :D

After my last final tomorrow I will be testing out my 3200+ Venice I purchased about a month ago. I paid $42.00 thinking that was the lowest it would go before the Egg ran dry, but now it's down to $36.00 with free shipping! :eek:
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I just revived an old pentium II from the garage.. LoL. It's running xp at performance settings. The specs are 450mhz, 128mb pc100, and onboard ati rage pro 2x :) It's smokin fast for browsing the [H]! :)
 
noobtech said:
I just revived an old pentium II from the garage.. LoL. It's running xp at performance settings. The specs are 450mhz, 128mb pc100, and onboard ati rage pro 2x :) It's smokin fast for browsing the [H]! :)
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I have an old Compaq Presario PIII 500MHz with 128mb RAM at my parents house collecting dust. I'll reformat the HD this summer and maybe use it for browsing the web and such. After all, it was my gaming machine back in '99. :)

Has anyone else here purchased one of the 3200+ Venice cpus Newegg is still selling? I see more reviews being added daily on product page itself.
 
I have had my venice 3400 for about a year. It is warm in this room and the cooler barely kicks off idle when gaming.
 
I just sold a 3200+ Venice to Duane here on the forum that I got from Newegg a little while ago. Its doing 2.6 atm. The Venices are powerhouses and well worth the price to upgrade from a Winnie or a Claw IMO. My Venices have all done 2.6 or better - some at mad volts - and they have always run cool with a good hsf.
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Now I see a 3200+ open box on Newegg for $29.99! I've also found some 3000+ Venices on ebay if anyone is interested. The 3000+ is fully capable of 2.6 to 2.7 - just like its bigger brothers. Go to
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-3...9QQihZ018QQcategoryZ80139QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
The price on this one atm is $32.50 but the seller says he has a few of these so maybe wait for the next one and try to score a low price.
That open box 3200+ Venice for $29.99 from Newegg can't be beat right now IMO.
 
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It's time for me to say farewell to the 754 club because I finally decided to sell the cpu/motherboard from my file server to get the E4300 from my main PC and get a E6420 inn my main PC.

For anyone interested, I have the Athlon64 3000+ Newcastle core for sale in http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1188543 as well as a Asus K8V motherboard.

Good luck to the club and long life s754 ;)

 
I'm still hanging around on 754. These days I'm addicted to playing Gears of War on our 360.

I powered up Cnc3 demo though recently and it ran beautifully. I might get it when I get some more cash.
 
I'll also be hanging on to s754 for a while, until I actually start hitting a CPU bottleneck in somethings that really matters...

My video card, on the other hand, could stand to be upgraded. Prices on 7900GT's aren't dropping much below $200, and if the prices on 8800 series cards are about to do what I think they're about to do, then 7900GT SLI would be a waste of money at this point.

The way I see it, now that ATi's new r600 based parts beginning to surface, 8800 series cards are going to start dropping in price. Look at Newegg and you can already see it starting, many 8800 series cards have rebates, next week the cards will be $30 cheaper without any rebates, after that prices go into free fall. Give it 2 or 3 weeks and I guarantee you you'll start seeing 8800GTS 640MB's going for around $290, and I can only imagine how cheap the 320mb version will get.

In other words, if you were thinking about buying a card about now, wait between 2 and 3 weeks for prices to settle down again ;)
 
I just ordered a 3200+ venice and another 512 stick to upgrade my HTPC thats on 754 :) Coming from a sempron 2600, yuck.

BigMac: u go to ucf?
 
Hello again members,

I am still running my venice 3200 at 2.6mhz 1 gig of ram and the ATi X1950 pro pic-e.


Do you members think the CPU is bottlenecking the ATI? I have benn running Oblivion for 2 weeks now at 1024x768 and I lower the resolution not much change but I noticed if I run with HDR on it runs faster than bloom setting and it shouldn't. I take the new processors have better instructions at the same clock speed?



Duane MI
 
I know for a fact your venice isn't bottlenecking your game... I did a comparison test between 1gb & 2gb with DOD Source yesterday using the 2nd computer listed in my sig.

A few things I noticed with 1gb was (while using a g15 keyboard to monitor the ram usage) was that even in game, the ram would slowly creep up to 100% usage and maintain it throughout the game, and it would seem to lag a lot. The FPS never dropped below 40fps w/ the 2nd computer listed in my sig. It's running at 2.4ghz too...

When I use 2GB of Ram, the game flows really nice and never goes beyond 60% of RAM usage. I know that Oblivion is newer and better graphics... but your videocard handles all that. So yeah, I suggest upping to 2gb minimum for gaming :)

I take the new processors have better instructions at the same clock speed?
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The newer processors are pretty much the same as the 754's... with the addition of dual channel memory(socket 939) and the use of DDR2 memory (socket AM2). Mind you, the socket 754 doesn't have dual core processors... You still have a lot of life left in that 754 :)
 
Is it the mobile or desktop version of it? You should post it in the 4sale section... i'm sure you can get at least $100.
 
Maybe I missed it, but why are these so popular? I had one, unfortunately some rogue AS got on a pin...bye bye Clawhammer. :(
 
The popularity seems to stem from the 1 mb of L2 cache. I have noticed that my work system (3700+ Clawhammer @ 2.6 ghz) can multitask (play DVD movie and work in Autocad) better than my 3400+ Venice (512 kb L2 cache @ 2.7 ghz). The Venice is just a bit choppier than the Clawhammer but overall the Venice is faster (can go to 2.8 ghz) and runs a bit cooler (thanks to the 90nm SOI architecture vs. the Claw's 130nm). I see no difference in gaming at all. The 3700+ system has an Asus K8V mobo and VisionTek X800Pro AGP 8X vc, 1 gb of DDR400 Ultra ram and 2-200gb Maxtor ATA 100 hard drives. The 3400+ Venice system has an Abit NV8 mobo, 1 gb of Crucial Ballistix DDR400 ram, Sapphire X800Pro VIVO PCI-e vc, and 2-200gb ATA100 Maxtor hard drives. Both systems use the same hsf. Both are fast and smooth and will hold me a good while longer.
 
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