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Love your socket 754?

noobtech said:
*hiding behind a rock*.... I'm sorry I sold it guys... Even sorrier I only sold it for $73 shipped. I ended up finding a cheap a8n32, that 4000+ san diego on newegg... i would have been happier to sell it to one of you guys for $65 shipped to avoid fleabay fleas... haha.

I took my DFI NF3 Lanparty mobo off eBay though... I am having second thoughts and keeping it... and getting that 3200+ for $36 and the difference I made and get another case... I already have other spare parts and try to make a htpc? hmm... I think I would need a tuner card. Don't count me out of the 754 club yet... just call me a, traitor!! haha. *still peeking behind the rock*

***Edit... Newegg had the 3400+ Venice 754 still on their list as out of stock, but it's no longer even in there. That starmicro? place still has them in stock, but now sells them for $150 each. That's where BigMac discovered them back in the day and I bit too... they were $99. I might have said the e-tailers name wrong. haha.
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If you need a tuner card, let me know, I've got two that are pretty much brand new. Also-do you have correct temps for your 3600? Mine are all screwed up (yay Abit).
 
noobtech said:
*hiding behind a rock*.... I'm sorry I sold it guys... Even sorrier I only sold it for $73 shipped. I ended up finding a cheap a8n32, that 4000+ san diego on newegg... i would have been happier to sell it to one of you guys for $65 shipped to avoid fleabay fleas... haha.

I took my DFI NF3 Lanparty mobo off eBay though... I am having second thoughts and keeping it... and getting that 3200+ for $36 and the difference I made and get another case... I already have other spare parts and try to make a htpc? hmm... I think I would need a tuner card. Don't count me out of the 754 club yet... just call me a, traitor!! haha. *still peeking behind the rock*

***Edit... Newegg had the 3400+ Venice 754 still on their list as out of stock, but it's no longer even in there. That starmicro? place still has them in stock, but now sells them for $150 each. That's where BigMac discovered them back in the day and I bit too... they were $99. I might have said the e-tailers name wrong. haha.
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Starmicro is correct. Those 3400+ Venices are getting as rare as hen's teeth anymore. I sold my 3200+ to Dueyat35 awhile back. He's now considering selling the whole 3200+, DFI mobo and PC2700 for around $100. There are some 3000+ Venices on ebay for $40 Buy It Now. I've got 2 of those little babies. One does 2.6 and the other does 2.7 ghz. The 3200+ I sold to Dueyat35 would "only" go to 2.6 but for $36 at the Egg you can't go wrong.
 
Well, I put my Sempron 3400 level 2 256 Cache in the Difinity nf4nx board stable at 2.6 stock was at 2.0mhz. Tell you the truth I ran fear at 1600 and did good with the Ati X1950 pro. I bought this retail a year ago when the socket A died. I had no choice as I needed a proc fast and locally. Well now I finally decided to overclock it. 3D bench mark05 show it 1000 less than the Venice 3200 at 2.6.
 
Wow, nice bump :p

Ok, more about the 2nd GB of RAM. Turns out the new stick (week 03, year 07) is a poor overclocker, where as the old stick (week 25, year 05) can do 250MHz no problem. I have another 1GB stick of the same model RAM (week 12, year 06) in a system that isn't overclocked (Media Center), so I'm going to try swapping the sticks around to see if that one is a better overclocker.

Oh, and there's one thing that's had me scratching my head for a while now. I've ordered 5 of these sticks over the last 3 years for various systems, and every one (except for this new dud-overclocker) has had a hidden DDR433 mode, complete with another set of timings and a higher auto-voltage. Why the heck would they be selling some of their DDR 433 as DDR400?
 
Unknown-One said:
Wow, nice bump :p

Ok, more about the 2nd GB of RAM. Turns out the new stick (week 03, year 07) is a poor overclocker, where as the old stick (week 25, year 05) can do 250MHz no problem. I have another 1GB stick of the same model RAM (week 12, year 06) in a system that isn't overclocked (Media Center), so I'm going to try swapping the sticks around to see if that one is a better overclocker.

Oh, and there's one thing that's had me scratching my head for a while now. I've ordered 5 of these sticks over the last 3 years for various systems, and every one (except for this new dud-overclocker) has had a hidden DDR433 mode, complete with another set of timings and a higher auto-voltage. Why the heck would they be selling some of their DDR 433 as DDR400?
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I'd say they probably couldn't get the DDR433 to sell in volume-so down clock and sell it at DDR400. Or maybe they make all the DDR400 at 433 speeds, and then pick the top bin for 433? One of those I figure.
 
Interesting. I know my Crucial Ballistix can run on the DDR433 divider easily at 2.5-2-2-8 1T settings at 3.0v. It runs insanely fast up there.
 
Something from a ex-754 member :D

I have my Crucial Ballistix (2x512Mb) running with my X2 3800+ (939) file server and it's running at DDR480, 2.5-2-2-8 with only 2.8v so I'm surprised how others needed extra voltage to run at lower speeds or looser timings :eek:

Mine is a .16TG, brand new from RMA that a [H] member sold to me recently.

 
I traded out the new stick for the one in the media center, and yeah, it's a much better overclocker!
Model number on the good sticks: Micron 16VDDT12864AG40BD1
Model number on the dud-overclocker: Micron 16VDDT12864AY40BF2

On a suicide run, I managed to boot Windows with my 2GB of Crucial Value RAM @ DDR 610 @ 3-3-3-8 2T @ 3.2v :eek:
Max stable speed is DDR 590 @ 3-3-3-8 2T @ 3.2v
Everyday operation is DDR 492 @ 3-3-3-8 2T @ 2.9v

So now that I have a second stick of RAM that'll run at that speed, I have my processor OC back to where ti was before, 2.7GHz (246x11) @ 1.6v. I'm a happy camper :D
 
Amazing how much of a difference a good quality ram choice makes isn't it? Nice going! It sure feels good to get 2.7 or better :D
 
Have a question for you guys-a while back I mentioned I got some arctic silver on a pin and toasted a Clawhammer. Well, I still have the motherboard and I'm wondering if I can clean the stuff out of it....I have the Arctic Silver cleaning kit, which dissolves it pretty well. I was thinking of dripping some into the socket then draining it. What do you guys think?

The reason I ask is I'm probably going to be helping a friend out by trading my 7600GT PCI-E card for his AGP 7600GT. He just upgraded and needs a new 939 board-but AGP is hard to find with 939.

BTW, the mobo is an Asus K8V SE Deluxe which would make a good server board, which is why I'd like to salvage it.
 
Gibby82 said:
Have a question for you guys-a while back I mentioned I got some arctic silver on a pin and toasted a Clawhammer. Well, I still have the motherboard and I'm wondering if I can clean the stuff out of it....I have the Arctic Silver cleaning kit, which dissolves it pretty well. I was thinking of dripping some into the socket then draining it. What do you guys think?

The reason I ask is I'm probably going to be helping a friend out by trading my 7600GT PCI-E card for his AGP 7600GT. He just upgraded and needs a new 939 board-but AGP is hard to find with 939.

BTW, the mobo is an Asus K8V SE Deluxe which would make a good server board, which is why I'd like to salvage it.
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I think that as long as you wipe the AS stuff off the socket, the remaining stuff in the holes isn't a problem because each pin go to each hole. The key is to avoid as bridging 2-3 pins together and killing the cpu.
 
Xilikon said:
I have my Crucial Ballistix (2x512Mb) running with my X2 3800+ (939) file server and it's running at DDR480, 2.5-2-2-8 with only 2.8v so I'm surprised how others needed extra voltage to run at lower speeds or looser timings :eek:

Mine is a .16TG, brand new from RMA that a [H] member sold to me recently.
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I still have my Ballistix set (one is a 16TG RMA) but unfortunately I need/use 2GB at times. I haven't tried pushing the Ocz yet because I heard it caps out around 230mhz so I've left it on a divider with stock timings so far.

Working my way up again:
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That's mighty good for 1.4v. Mine usually crap out at 2.4 on 1.4v but (as you know) spark that little puppy up and she'll fly! 2.7 or bust!
 
BigMacAttack said:
That's mighty good for 1.4v. Mine usually crap out at 2.4 on 1.4v but (as you know) spark that little puppy up and she'll fly! 2.7 or bust!
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I agree... When I had my 3000+ Venice, I was able to reach only 2.6 @ 1.55v. At 2.4, i think i needed 1.45v IIRC.

 
Speaking of the 3000+ Venice, I was visiting TigerDirect.com Sat. night and ran across a deal and a half. They had the Crucial Ballistix ram (2x512) I'm running in my home system for $39.99 after a $40 mail-in rebate(!) I had been considering building a print/music server/financial workstation for a new business I'm going to be starting so when I saw that price I had to grab it. Well, one thing led to another and I wound up getting (from TigerDirect) an Ultra Wizard Black ATX case w/500w psu, Sony NEC Optiarc Supermulti 18x DVD/48x CD burner, a Logitech USB keyboard and a Realworld A4 Tech 8 button optical mouse for $216.04. Subtract out the $40 rebate on the ram and it comes to $176.04.
Then I went on over to Newegg and grabbed a Sapphire Radeon X1550 256mb GDDR2 PCI-e video card for $55.63 with shipping (less a $10 mail-in rebate makes it $45.63) and then went on over to Tech for Less and snapped up 2 Maxtor ATA100 200gb hard drives for $55.43 each (110.86 w/ free shipping). I already have an ECS nforce4 (PCI-e) mobo and either a 3000+ Venice (got 2 to choose from and a brand new AMD hsf) or my other 3400+ Venice. All told I spent $332.53 which isn't too bad for what I need (3 years ago a very similar system cost me over $1300 with a 3400+ Clawhammer!). Oh yeah - I already have a 17" monitor laying around doing nothing, too. Yeah I could have gotten a new AM2 system for a bit more but since I already had some of the parts I figured I'd put them to good use. Besides its a tax write off and I can always upgrade mobo, cpu and ram later and write that off, too!
 
Hmm what happened to all the other posts that were here?:confused:

Anyway the voltage sensor does not report to CPU-Z. I'm at 2.6ghz on 1.55v at the moment. Still hovering slightly below 6,900 3Dmarks in 2005. The 7600GT is at 640/1710 now too. I was hoping the recent jumps would have taken me to 7k but I guess I have more work ahead.

Even my signature went back in time! Forum weirdness.:rolleyes:
 
DedEmbryonicCe11 said:
Hmm what happened to all the other posts that were here?:confused:

Anyway the voltage sensor does not report to CPU-Z. I'm at 2.6ghz on 1.55v at the moment. Still hovering slightly below 6,900 3Dmarks in 2005. The 7600GT is at 640/1710 now too. I was hoping the recent jumps would have taken me to 7k but I guess I have more work ahead.

Even my signature went back in time! Forum weirdness.:rolleyes:
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In case you missed, we had major forum issues when the admins moved to a new database server so we moved back to the old one and lost all posts from june 15th ;)

For your 3DMark05 score, it may seems rights with a 7600GT since IIRC, I scored only 8500 while running a 7900GS on a Venice 3000+ overclocked to 2.6 GHz. With my C2D, I scored just a hair under the 10,000 points mark and this is partially due to the dual-core cpu helping the score.
 
Had to replace one of my rear 120mm exhaust fans last night because it started clicking, and I discovered that the airflow pattern in my case could do with a few tweaks. I didn't expect this from a Lian-Li case, but it's an older one, and probably never designed to deal with the heat from a system like this.

I replaced the clicking 38CFM Yate-Loon with a noise-be-damned 80CFM Delta, and attached it to a fan controller to bring the noise under control. At full speed it sounds like a small airplane is attempting to taxi out from under my desk, but once it's set to just above stall speed it's just as quiet as the Yate Loon and pushes a little more air. Now here's the thing, that tiny increase in airflow from the new fan managed to drop my idle CPU temp from 38c to 36c, so there's definite room for improval. Just for shits and giggles, I put in some earplugs and set both of my rear exhaust fans at full speed (that's two 120mm Deltas for a total of 160CFM). Apart from over-spinning my intake fans (those Deltas move so much air that they started sucking air backwards through the exhaust fan on my PSU), my idle CPU temp dropped from 36c to 22c. :eek:

Now obviously that isn't how I run my fans 24/7, but there's got to be a way to tweak my airflow for a slight improvement in temps. I wonder what would happen if I were to reverse all the fans in my case so that the rear fans dump outside air directly into my CPU cooler...
 
Hey all. I just got my new 3000+ build done - at least running for the time being. I have an old hard drive that was in a machine with a VIA chipset mobo and this new one is an nForce 4 chipset mobo. Can I do a Windows repair to get it running or do I just need to bite the bullet and reinstall? I really don't want to reinstall if I don't have to.
 
I love old skool stuff just to push it and just built a 754 system comprised of:

- Sempron 3100+ (palermo core)
- Abit NF8
- 2x512 Mb Patriot PC3200
- 6600GT
- Allied 400W

255 x 9 (2.3 ghz) with a 166 divider but I've got to pump 1.54 vcore
to keep it Orthos stable. Heatsink is the copper/aluminum dual heat
pipe that came stock with my Opteron 165.

Could anyone tell me if that voltage is typical for that cpu and frequency?
 
Seems a bit high on the vcore for that oc, especially since the Palermo and Venice cores are the same except for the L2 cache. But no 2 are the same so if that's what it takes then so be it. I'm trying to get 2.4 from my 3000+ Venice in an ECS mobo but so far it isn't stable even at 1.56v. This same cpu will do 2.6 in my Abit NV8 (sig) system.
 
If anyone is still interested here are my very latest banzai oc results. :D Please note: CPU-z has voltage wrong - it is 1.70v.
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Need some help-a while back I received an open box 3000 Venice with a missing pin from NE. Well, I never got around to sending it back, so now I'm stuck with it. I looked up the pin, but the AMD diagram and description didn't tell me much. The pin is A22 and it's the a/the TDO pin. I'm going to keep researching, but if anyone knows about pins, I'd appreciate the help.

*Edit- I continued to dig and found that TDO is Test Data Out and it's part of JTAG-which from my quick skim of a few things is a testing thing. It looks like the pin is just for debugging and testing, not actual operation. I could be wrong though. Any thoughts?
 
Do you still have the pin that broke off? If you do, drop the pin into the proper hole in the socket and mount the CPU. If you don't, get a paper clip, cut it to the proper length, and drop that in the proper hole in the socket in place of the missing pin.
 
BigMacAttack said:
If anyone is still interested here are my very latest banzai oc results. :D Please note: CPU-z has voltage wrong - it is 1.70v.
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Mac, that's a nice OC at 1.70v. I had my 3200+ up to 2.81, but I had to clock it back down to 2.4 and drop the volts back down to 1.4v since I don't have A/C in my home and my case was getting toasty. :cool:
 
Unknown-One said:
Do you still have the pin that broke off? If you do, drop the pin into the proper hole in the socket and mount the CPU. If you don't, get a paper clip, cut it to the proper length, and drop that in the proper hole in the socket in place of the missing pin.
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No pin...it showed up without it (poor QA at Newegg). I might try the paper clip though. Although from what I read it may work without it.
 
Jeeper94 said:
Mac, that's a nice OC at 1.70v. I had my 3200+ up to 2.81, but I had to clock it back down to 2.4 and drop the volts back down to 1.4v since I don't have A/C in my home and my case was getting toasty. :cool:
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Thanks. It was a Banzai run. It runs at 246x11 for day to day tasks. My Abit mobo is a bit goofy in that if you set the multi up too high it won't cold boot. I just bought an MSI Neo3 for a work system that I thought needed it. Turns out it the mobo in that system was ok so now I may replace the Abit and see what it does. Both the Abit and MSI are nForce 4-4x boards so I won't need to reload drivers. Perhaps I can get the thing to oc to higher levels? We'll just have to wait and see.
 
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One of my all time favorite tweakin' boxes. That CPU's on a nf3-250gb. The voltage is 1.525, CPU-Z always reads it wrong. The Coretemp reading is with Orthos 100% load on a Koolance Exos.
 
This reminds me that Iv got a working 4000+ collecting dust in a broken gateway somewhere. Maybe I should pawn it off.
 
cHaOserveR, nice man, very nice. What BIOS are you using? I may have to find of those processors.....hmmm....
 
What's even cooler about it is that that's the day to day speed. I run it at that constantly and it's rock stable. I also run folding@Home on it 24/7. I believe that the bios is the latest released.
 
BigMacAttack said:
Very nice on that 4000+. 3.1 ghz on a 754 part - HA! I love it!
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I'm sure you could get some of your parts there on H2O. My opinion is that with the proper cooling setup and luck of the draw (good chip) most AMD parts should go to around 3GHz. Seems like that's the threshold for all the chips, and since they are all basically made the same way (process) they should go to about the same level. It's just a matter of how difficult it will be.
 
cHaOserveR said:
What's even cooler about it is that that's the day to day speed. I run it at that constantly and it's rock stable. I also run folding@Home on it 24/7. I believe that the bios is the latest released.
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Also what motherboard are you using? Those 4000's are basically San Diego core skt 754 cpu's. Great stuff.

I'm sure you could get some of your parts there on H2O. My opinion is that with the proper cooling setup and luck of the draw (good chip) most AMD parts should go to around 3GHz. Seems like that's the threshold for all the chips, and since they are all basically made the same way (process) they should go to about the same level. It's just a matter of how difficult it will be.
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Maybe so. My 3400+ Venice will top out at just over 2.8 on air but putting a water system on it just doesn't seem to be worth it, tbh. Although I did see a very interesting Peltier cooler at TigerDirect awhile back that was quite affordable (about $125 I think). I was tempted... :)
 
Sucks that newegg never dropped the price on the 4000+ the entire time they were selling it, then simply removed it from their site, never to return...

I guess it's kinda a moot point now, though. With current price drops taken into account, you can rebuild a s754 system into a high-end AM2 system for about $350 if you already have a PCIe video card, which is far less than what newegg was charging for the 4000+ Newark.

Athlon 64 6000+ (3.0GHz): . . . $195
2GB DDR2 PC2-6400: . . . . . . $80
Decent AM2 Motherboard: . . . $60
 
Yeah- its amazing what stuff is selling for these days. I've been tempted to upgrade my cad machine here at work but I'm afraid I'd screw something up so I'm standing pat for the moment. Still, its hard to resist.
 
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