Love your socket 754?

[Bone]

Well, to tell you the truth, my 3400+ Clawhammer didn't oc an better on my K8N4-E Deluxe than it did on my K8V. 2.4 ghz was the max. oc I could get on either mobo, of course, my max vcore on the K8N4-E Deluxe was 1.54z as reported by CPU-z. The K8N4-E Deluxe also had vcore issues in the bios - limiting the max vcore to .04v over stock. I flashed to v1010 and now all I can get is 1.55v max. which sux.
I'm seriously considering an Abit NV8, an EPoX EP-8NPA7I or a BIOSTAR NF4 4X-A7. I'm leaning toward the EPoX.
Any recommendations?

I have an ASUS K8N mobo with a Venice 3000+ and the same vcore issue with BIOS v1010 and v1008. And with this voltage(1.44) I can't get more than 2390 out of my processor.
Now I'm waiting for the solution from 'ASUS Online Technical Service'

 

[Dark_fire]

wierd as i can go .1V over volt but now its being gay and wont let me go to 1.65V

note these are at stock speeds

 

[sp1nfer]

I have an ASUS K8N mobo with a Venice 3000+ and the same vcore issue with BIOS v1010 and v1008. And with this voltage(1.44) I can't get more than 2390 out of my processor.
Now I'm waiting for the solution from 'ASUS Online Technical Service'

I don't know about you but ASUS seem to have a new beta bios, maybe you should try that one out and see how it goes?

 

[sp1nfer]

V1011.003 from here

 

[Bone]

V1011.003 from here

Thanks for the idea. Actually I was thinking about downgrading the BIOS to v1007 or lower cuz ASUS says the mobo supports Venice from v1008. And if it doesn't support Venice two things can happen:
1) the standard vcore will be 1.5
2) my PC won't boot

 

[Bone]

wierd as i can go .1V over volt but now its being gay and wont let me go to 1.65V

note these are at stock speeds

Which BIOS version are you using?

 

[Dark_fire]

using the 1007 bios to get those volts, had some crazy fan problems with the 1010 bios

 

[Louse76]

I'm using the K8N-E Deluxe myself and I have some weird voltage problems as well. When I put the voltage from around 1.55-1.65, I always get 1.536. But then when I bump it up to 1.675, it goes up to around 1.63v.

Luckily with the 1.63v I can get 2700, but I would like to try a little lower.

I thought I hit gold when I messed around and enabled CnQ, which scaled properly (but only down to 1.49GHz @1.2v) and gave me a max voltage of 1.58v, but it locked up after a few minutes of Prime95.

I never thought of trying an old bios, that might be a good idea, or maybe the beta. I can always reflash, so I shouldn't have anything to worry about, right?

 

[aldamon]

I can't vouch for the x-fi thing, but I agree with the rest. Another quibble is the bios doesn't fully support my Newark. It won't restart....I have to power down each time.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4881&d=1127507840

Is that the only quirk with the Newark Ruiner? Monarch's got the Newark 4000+ for $300 and I'm really tempted.

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=120488&AFFIL=pg&NR=1

I'd have to sell my naked 3700+ first though. I just picked up a Raptor 150GB.

 

[Bone]

I don't know about you but ASUS seem to have a new beta bios, maybe you should try that one out and see how it goes?

tried the new BETA BIOS. it was fine.... til I got to the windows login screen when it
froze..
I had to get a floppy drive from another PC and flash the BIOS back to 1010 from DOS.

 

[sp1nfer]

tried the new BETA BIOS. it was fine.... til I got to the windows login screen when it
froze..
I had to get a floppy drive from another PC and flash the BIOS back to 1010 from DOS.

what voltage was available with the beta bios?

 

[BigMacAttack]

I tried the beta bios for my board (K8N4-E Deluxe - v1011-003) and it really didn't help much. Max voltage is still 1.55v

 

[sp1nfer]

I tried the beta bios for my board (K8N4-E Deluxe - v1011-003) and it really didn't help much. Max voltage is still 1.55v

damn, I wondering to get an Asus K8N or a MSI K8N that should overclock much better..

 

[BigMacAttack]

I'm tempted to get an EPox or Biostar myself. I'm at 273x9.5 but it seems there is more to be had from this 3000+ Venice

 

[Bone]

what voltage was available with the beta bios?

the same thing: max 1.44-1.454

 

[Bone]

I tried the beta bios for my board (K8N4-E Deluxe - v1011-003) and it really didn't help much. Max voltage is still 1.55v

1.55 is quitea lot for a Venice, especially if you on air.
Do you need 1.55 to get this 260X10 stable?

 

[BigMacAttack]

1.55 is quitea lot for a Venice, especially if you on air.
Do you need 1.55 to get this 260X10 stable?

Yeah but now I'm at 274x9.5. I have to have it at 1.55v in bios. CPU-z and Asus Ai both report the voltage as 1.52v.
I have seen 265x10 at 1.605v and 2.8 @ 1.65v on these s754 3000+ Venice chips on various website screenshots on air and running fairly cool. My idle temp is 33C and load never exceeds 40C so I feel there is room to play with it as long as temps stay below 50C under load. I have a good hsf (not stock) so that's not an issue. I'm pretty satisfied with it now that I have hit 2.6 so I'll probably leave well enough alone for now. I haven't run a long Prime 95 run yet. My benchmark for stability is HLDM and HL2DM. If it runs stable for a couple of hours in there I'm happy. I don't fold or anything like that so I'm not interested in making it Prime 95 stable for 24 hrs.

 

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

1.55 is quitea lot for a Venice, especially if you on air.
Do you need 1.55 to get this 260X10 stable?

not really?? 1.6v on air is as far as id go with a venice. and 1.65v is as high as id go on water.

 

[sabrewolf732]

Yeah but now I'm at 274x9.5. I have to have it at 1.55v in bios. CPU-z and Asus Ai both report the voltage as 1.52v.
I have seen 265x10 at 1.605v and 2.8 @ 1.65v on these s754 3000+ Venice chips on various website screenshots on air and running fairly cool. My idle temp is 33C and load never exceeds 40C so I feel there is room to play with it as long as temps stay below 50C under load. I have a good hsf (not stock) so that's not an issue. I'm pretty satisfied with it now that I have hit 2.6 so I'll probably leave well enough alone for now. I haven't run a long Prime 95 run yet. My benchmark for stability is HLDM and HL2DM. If it runs stable for a couple of hours in there I'm happy. I don't fold or anything like that so I'm not interested in making it Prime 95 stable for 24 hrs.

imo, it all depends on temps. Just dont go over 1.7 for extended time for sure. I do 300x9 1.64v 24/7, temps around 40c with water. what cooling you run?

 

[BigMacAttack]

what cooling you run?

Its in my sig

 

[sp1nfer]

I just bought the Asus K8N, yeah yeah I know, no going after 1.55V but there was nothing else I could choose and I couldn't wait anyway. This is going with a Sempron 2800+ E6

quick question: the rear I/O panel for this board has spikes around the ports, what did you use to remove them? I cut them with the scissors and cut my finger aswell so yea any way I should remove the remaining spikes easily?

 

[Xilikon]

I just bought the Asus K8N, yeah yeah I know, no going after 1.55V but there was nothing else I could choose and I couldn't wait anyway. This is going with a Sempron 2800+ E6

quick question: the rear I/O panel for this board has spikes around the ports, what did you use to remove them? I cut them with the scissors and cut my finger aswell so yea any way I should remove the remaining spikes easily?

I thought the spikes was meant to be folded back so it's 90 degree, it's like something to touch the ports when the motherboard is installed with the backplate.

 

[BarneyGumble]

I need suggestions, please. I am going to start ocing my 754 just as soon as the fresh pcb smell from my new mobo fades away. I want to prepare for this in steps because if i don't, i spend too much money in a short amount of time and i want to retire someday. Cooling is first on my list. On the bottom of my heatsink i can see a scratched indention on the bottom where one of the corners of the ihs connects with the heatsink. My idle temp is 42-43C. I use AS5 and the heatsink is all copper with a thermaltake volcano fan, temperature controlled. It is currently running stable and not overclocked. This leads me to think that either the heatsink isn't flat or the ihs isn't flat. And because the volcano fan sounds like a vacuum cleaner i want a new heatsink. Any suggestions? Are amd ihs's known to not be flat? Should i lap the processor or remove the ihs?

Thanks for your advice and for reading my novel.

 

[BigMacAttack]

quick question: the rear I/O panel for this board has spikes around the ports, what did you use to remove them? I cut them with the scissors and cut my finger aswell so yea any way I should remove the remaining spikes easily?

Like Xilicon said - you aren't supposed to cut them off - you are supposed to fold trhem back so the provide a little resistance to hold the plate in. You'r going to have fun trying to keep that plate in place if you cut off all the tabs.

On the bottom of my heatsink i can see a scratched indention on the bottom where one of the corners of the ihs connects with the heatsink. My idle temp is 42-43C

I've never seen a heatsink with an indentation on the bottom. They are usually flat as can be. You could try lapping the heastink but don't mess with the IHS on the cpu. It sounds like you have a funky heatsink. Go to Newegg and search their heatsink selection. Look for one that is easy to mount. Gigabyte has a couple of heatsinks that use the stock type mounting clip instead of having to be screwed down. I have a Gigabyte 3D Cooler Ultra GT myself and I've been quite happy with it, unfortunately Newegg doesn't carry it anymore since Gigabyte replaced it with a different hsf.
As for your temps I'd say you are right on target with your idle temp. The Clawhammers run a little hotter than the s754 Newcastle and a lot hotter than the s754 Venice cpu's. I have a 3700+ in this system I'm typing on and it is at 42C idle oc'd to 2.6 ghz. Of course, if your hsf is goofy and needs to be lapped or replaced you should see a reduction in temps with a better contact patch.

 

[sabrewolf732]

I need suggestions, please. I am going to start ocing my 754 just as soon as the fresh pcb smell from my new mobo fades away. I want to prepare for this in steps because if i don't, i spend too much money in a short amount of time and i want to retire someday. Cooling is first on my list. On the bottom of my heatsink i can see a scratched indention on the bottom where one of the corners of the ihs connects with the heatsink. My idle temp is 42-43C. I use AS5 and the heatsink is all copper with a thermaltake volcano fan, temperature controlled. It is currently running stable and not overclocked. This leads me to think that either the heatsink isn't flat or the ihs isn't flat. And because the volcano fan sounds like a vacuum cleaner i want a new heatsink. Any suggestions? Are amd ihs's known to not be flat? Should i lap the processor or remove the ihs?

Thanks for your advice and for reading my novel.

Removing the ihs is best. As for heatsink, I would go with the scythe ninja (I wouldn't remove ihs with this heatsink, if you do, make a shim ) If you get the ninja lapping should be sufficient

 

[sp1nfer]

I can't seem to change the vcore with this board. Just read the manual and it says I need Cool'N'Quiet enabled to be able to modify it, and my Sempron doesn't have any C'n'Q...

 

[Bone]

I can't seem to change the vcore with this board. Just read the manual and it says I need Cool'N'Quiet enabled to be able to modify it, and my Sempron doesn't have any C'n'Q...

You can't find the Vcore Setting in BIOS or your settings don't have any effect?
In the second case set the voltage to 1.6, that should give you 1.536V.

 

[sp1nfer]

You can't find the Vcore Setting in BIOS or your settings don't have any effect?
In the second case set the voltage to 1.6, that should give you 1.536V.

no, I don't have them at all. Asus decided to enable vcore modding only for cpus with C'n'Q enabled, so I'm stuck at stock voltage. Nonetheless here's my result:

 

[Ruiner]

Is that the only quirk with the Newark Ruiner? Monarch's got the Newark 4000+ for $300 and I'm really tempted.

It's the only one I noticed, but in one sense I should be happy this mobile works at all, since it isn't 'supported' by DFI.

 

[Pkirk618]

no, I don't have them at all. Asus decided to enable vcore modding only for cpus with C'n'Q enabled, so I'm stuck at stock voltage. Nonetheless here's my result:

dood, I'm interested in knowing what kind of benchies that chip puts out. That's a nice OC considering your limits.

 

[cornelious0_0]

dood, I'm interested in knowing what kind of benchies that chip puts out. That's a nice OC considering your limits.

Agreed, I always love seeing more budget oriented chips like this overclock how these Semprons have been lately.

Bring on some numbers bro.

 

[Xilikon]

Agreed, I always love seeing more budget oriented chips like this overclock how these Semprons have been lately.

Bring on some numbers bro.

Another vote for the benchies... Might be interested to pick one to build a 2nd pc from leftover parts.

 

[sp1nfer]

dood, I'm interested in knowing what kind of benchies that chip puts out. That's a nice OC considering your limits.

thanks . Asus is really lazy with getting their BIOSes out. I need a HDD first my last one passed out after 5 years of service and I'm getting the money to buy one now. Then I'll voltmod the board and see if I get any higher. Currently it can go to 2520 (315 x 8) easily, but I need to do it with Clockgen from Windows. Anyway, benchmarks will soon be available...

 

[grahamf]

i guess since ive also got an overclocked sempron i could put up some results as well, the more the better i guess.

ok to start it off i'll go through some 3dmarks all of these are done with my x850xt overclocked, although in varying amounts.

3dmark01 - 25482

3dmark03 - 13676

3dmark05 - 6911

3dmark06 - 2293

and now onto some pcmark:

PCmark04 - 5453

PCmark05 - 4352

and now i guess to finish it up i will post some super-pi

1M

32M

i hope these provide a nice baseline to compare the sempron with everyone elses setups, if you want any additional benchmarks just let me know.

 

[Xilikon]

Thank you for the benchies but I would like a reference point to compare by having some venice/newcastle/clawhammer benchmarks. I'm mainly checking if the small l2 cache has any real affect on the performances clock by clock.

 

[grahamf]

it would be nice if someone in here had a 754 venice they could do some super-pi runs with. that would be a nice comparison.

 

[BigMacAttack]

it would be nice if someone in here had a 754 venice they could do some super-pi runs with. that would be a nice comparison.

Although superpi is a great program its not the be-all/end-all benchmark. A lot of factors can influence its performance.
That being said, once I get my Abit NV8 and Geil ram (optimized for the nForce 4 chipset w/timings of 2-2-2-5 1T) installed I'll bench my 3000+ Venice and see what it can do. Right now my sig system runs superpi at about 38 sec. but I have less than stellar ram and am using the DDR133 divider to get my oc stable. I'll also post some sisandra benches as well when everything is up and running. I'm hoping to hit 2.7+ghz with the new mobo because I can give it more vcore with the Abit than I can with the Asus presently installed.
Edit 3/20/06
Well, I have finally been able to get some prelim. work done. the sig gives the final tally so far. I'm getting 265x10 @1.6v (1.63 as reported by CPU-z). The ram is very loose at the DDR266 divider (3-3-3-8 2T). Temps are quite low: 33.5C idle and 42C under load (a short session of HLDM) so I'm quite happy with that. I'm using AS Ceramique with my hsf (see sig). I ran Superpi 1M and got a time of 41 sec. The loose timings and 2T command rate sure don't help but if it runs stable I'll be happy. I need to experiment with some different cpu multipliers and fsb settings just to see if I can squeeze some more out of it. Next stop is 1.62v (1.65 in CPU-z) to see if I can get over 2.65. Then I'll play with multi's, fsb settings and ram dividers/timings. So far it looks good. Wish me luck - I want 2.7ghz.

 

[zArt]

Hi!
I have an ASUS K8N and a Sempron 64 SDA2800AI03BX, LBBWE 0608FAC that is currently @ 2100Mhz (263*8) with the memory Samsung DDR333 @ 420 (210*2) 6-3-3 cl2.5 (1T/2T is Auto).
I don´t think i can push the memory any further cause the bios doesn´t have an option to set the divider, also there´s no FID/VID Change, Processor Freq Multiplier and CPU Voltage all referred in the manual in the JumperFree Configuration. And as referred above the MemClock Value is set to 200Mhz but it´s not the case since it's value varies along the FSB of the CPU, which makes this option useless.
The board came with 1009 Bios i updated it to 1011.
I´d like to push the CPU a bit more since i saw some guys running 2800+ at higher speeds.

Hope someone can shed some light on this Bios thing,
thx in advance.

 

[sp1nfer]

Hi!
I have an ASUS K8N and a Sempron 64 SDA2800AI03BX, LBBWE 0608FAC that is currently @ 2100Mhz (263*8) with the memory Samsung DDR333 @ 420 (210*2) 6-3-3 cl2.5 (1T/2T is Auto).
I don´t think i can push the memory any further cause the bios doesn´t have an option to set the divider, also there´s no FID/VID Change, Processor Freq Multiplier and CPU Voltage all referred in the manual in the JumperFree Configuration. And as referred above the MemClock Value is set to 200Mhz but it´s not the case since it's value varies along the FSB of the CPU, which makes this option useless.
The board came with 1009 Bios i updated it to 1011.
I´d like to push the CPU a bit more since i saw some guys running 2800+ at higher speeds.

Hope someone can shed some light on this Bios thing,
thx in advance.

Hi, I do these steps first to ensure that I can OC at this board's max:
1.Enter the BIOS. Go to [Advanced] --> CPU Configuration
2.Set the HT multiplier to 3
3.Next, go to [Chipset] and choose the Memclock Value as [266].
4.Go into the [JumperFree Settings], and select and start rasing the FSB/HTT value. I hit the max (300) without a hitch.
5.Use Prime95 and Memtest++ to test for stability

and as for the VID/FID settings, ASUS decided it too much of a hasle for them to enable these values for non-CnQ cpus. Only way to raise voltage is by hardmodding the board.

 

[zArt]

Thanx for the tips.
So setting the MemClock at 266Mhz would give me a diferent divider enabling me to push the FSB, right? And after i hit the max FSB is it possible to set the HT multiplier again at 4? or it won't be of any good?
I will do as you say n then post the results.

Cya