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Love your socket 754?

bigdavethehorn said:
Yup, it just doesn't feel as responsive as it should. I think my HDD is well kept, tidy, defragged etc.
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imo for windows to be responsive you gotta reg tweak the hell out of it
 
i just found turion MT30 cpu on newegg, and it looked so sweet. should i buy it, and how far will i get with my new zalman alcu cnps7000 led heatsink?
 
Added a few new members to the list that PM'd me, wanting to be in. Tear it up, boys.

Full Folding Ahead!

 
I didn't think the Turions were that great of overclockers. Now the Newarks, I'm certain that quite a few people around here will attest to their abilities.
 
Nope. Turions are not Newarks. Turion is AMD's answer to the Pentium-M, just a ultra low voltage, low power consumption mobile A64. Newarks are DTR processors.
 
almost.

Newark replaces the mobile clawhammer for the Mobile Athlon64's
Lancester is a variant of Newark with more "low power" transistors (which don't clock as high) and they made a new mobile line called Turion ;)
 
I don't understand the post on the main page... pump "H"'s... Do you guys think i'll see much improvment from a s754 3400+ newcastle to a 3700+ clawhammer? Newegg has a special with the 3700+ and a free 80G sata HD for 202 w/ free shipping... it's tempting!
 
youll see a solid boost. 400mhz and double the cache, and ability to OC even further all sound like good they are worth the added money.
 
Some news from me...

I am selling my beloved DFI board and Sempron, and my hated 6600GT.

It is being replaced with...

Opteron 144
DFI/Chaintech/BFG NF4 board, don't know which yet.
And an x800GTO2.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
how's that newark doing borg? :D
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It's looking sexy on top of my speaker.

I think I am going to wait till next semester to make an aluminum bracket to hold a glass case together.

KeychainNewark.JPG


Something like that, whipped it up in paint, oddly enough, I held the CPU up to the monitor... it's "Actual Size" Hahah...
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
get a DFI board. nothing compairs to them
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I disagree. The DFI's are sometimes quirky and can be quite a pain in the ass, especially for the novice. As a result, I recommend Asus. They have more consistant quality than just about any manufacturer in the motherboard market, and their stability is unmatched.

Now, to me an occasional lockup is not acceptable to me. So as a result even a hint of instability is unacceptable. I don't know about you, but I work as a computer tech at two different jobs, and I can't stand to have to come home and troubleshoot my own box. Nor do I want to work for one or two weeks at getting the damn thing stable and I hate shuffling PSU's and ram just to make it operate at default clock speeds. I just want to game on it. However, another persons priorities may be different than mine.

DFI's come along way over the last few years. However, they'll really have to work harder to gain any recommendations from me. Their products have somewhat inconsistant quality, and too many quirks for my blood. I'll take a lesser overclockable board to avoid such hassels. Even if I am more than capable of diagnosing and getting through those problems on my own. My time is worth more to me than that.

I think in a year or two DFI will take over in the wake of Abit, which has done nothing but go down hill lately. DFI will really become the universally accepted "king of performance and stability". Second to only Asus as Abit often was and has been. But that day isn't here yet.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
I disagree. The DFI's are sometimes quirky and can be quite a pain in the ass, especially for the novice. As a result, I recommend Asus. They have more consistant quality than just about any manufacturer in the motherboard market, and their stability is unmatched.

Now, to me an occasional lockup is not acceptable to me. So as a result even a hint of instability is unacceptable. I don't know about you, but I work as a computer tech at two different jobs, and I can't stand to have to come home and troubleshoot my own box. Nor do I want to work for one or two weeks at getting the damn thing stable and I hate shuffling PSU's and ram just to make it operate at default clock speeds. I just want to game on it. However, another persons priorities may be different than mine.

DFI's come along way over the last few years. However, they'll really have to work harder to gain any recommendations from me. Their products have somewhat inconsistant quality, and too many quirks for my blood. I'll take a lesser overclockable board to avoid such hassels. Even if I am more than capable of diagnosing and getting through those problems on my own. My time is worth more to me than that.

I think in a year or two DFI will take over in the wake of Abit, which has done nothing but go down hill lately. DFI will really become the universally accepted "king of performance and stability". Second to only Asus as Abit often was and has been. But that day isn't here yet.
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Asus, however stable, is not a kingly overclocker. Yes there are issues, but there are multiple websites with guides to help people out. i wouldnt call bBorgschulze a novice either, he has a DFI board ATM, so he knows what to expect. Asus also has its issues, its Heatpipe northbridge cooler can be faulty in certain W-ATX cases, they have overclocking restrictions, meaning lack-luster bioses, that dont allow for maximum overclocking etc,etc,,,

The dfi however is soo thorough that its the ONE and ONLY s939 board that id consider. the tweaking options alone are worth the money. i guess to each his own though. some people have the time to tweak, others just dont.
 
Newest member of the Socket 754 club. Sempron 3400+ @ 2.7GHz (1.48V, 9.5 x 285HTT, 3x LDT), XP-90 w/aluminum frame fan. :cool:
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
I disagree. The DFI's are sometimes quirky and can be quite a pain in the ass, especially for the novice. As a result, I recommend Asus. They have more consistant quality than just about any manufacturer in the motherboard market, and their stability is unmatched.
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i've used 4 dfi boards. one had a dead NIC, but i have had no issues with plug and play operation otherwise.
 
At my shop our most popular system is a MSI K8MM-V with a 754 AMD64 2800+.

We also combine those with Semperons for really basic builds.

We do not use them too often for gaming machines, since the mobos are AGP, and if they want to spend enough money to get a 3000 or 3000+, then it might as well be a 939 or an Intel P4 if they prefer.

The 64 2800+ is under $125 now... making it a VERY attractive business machine when you put one or two gigs of ram on it. A real screamer for office or home use, and almost $75 less for the CPU than the P4 3ghz that is the slowest Intel actually wants anyone to buy from the disty channel.
 
After my SN85G4 died, I'm back to an ATX setup again.

Kind of annoyed at the Chaintech VNF3-250 because of the cheesy BIOS, hassle running 1GB of ram, and annoying screeching noises.

Worst of all however is my apparent CPU load temp of 50C despite having an XP-90 with AS5 and a Panaflo 12M running at full speed. I have the 3700+ Clawhammer at stock speeds/voltages.

It's good to have my own system again though, just going to have to go through the hassle of figuring out this temp thing. I hate seing the number 50 under CPU temp, way too hot.
 
CRXican said:
After my SN85G4 died, I'm back to an ATX setup again.

Kind of annoyed at the Chaintech VNF3-250 because of the cheesy BIOS, hassle running 1GB of ram, and annoying screeching noises.

Worst of all however is my apparent CPU load temp of 50C despite having an XP-90 with AS5 and a Panaflo 12M running at full speed. I have the 3700+ Clawhammer at stock speeds/voltages.

It's good to have my own system again though, just going to have to go through the hassle of figuring out this temp thing. I hate seing the number 50 under CPU temp, way too hot.
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did you lap the xp90? that could explain the high ass temps. and the Chaintech boards bios is cheesy, ill give you that hands down. i tihnk it might have some temp reporting issues anyways.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
did you lap the xp90? that could explain the high ass temps. and the Chaintech boards bios is cheesy, ill give you that hands down. i tihnk it might have some temp reporting issues anyways.
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it's not lapped

I think there are temp reporting issues also. Speedfan reads from the same sensors right? Would Speedfan temps be more accurate or just as wrong?
 
CRXican said:
it's not lapped

I think there are temp reporting issues also. Speedfan reads from the same sensors right? Would Speedfan temps be more accurate or just as wrong?
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before you do anything, lap that xp90. trust me, the bases suck ass. like literally pull down pants and suck ass. they are sooooo concaved, your paste probably isnt spreading. a bad base can kill temps. also, DONT USE DIGIDOC! it eats up like a good chunk of the cpu usage. speedfan is the only way to go. and speedfan is accurate, to my knowledge.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
before you do anything, lap that xp90. trust me, the bases suck ass. like literally pull down pants and suck ass. they are sooooo concaved, your paste probably isnt spreading. a bad base can kill temps. also, DONT USE DIGIDOC! it eats up like a good chunk of the cpu usage. speedfan is the only way to go. and speedfan is accurate, to my knowledge.
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I didn't even think about installing digidoc, Speedfan for me. The 50C reading is from Speedfan. I've never lapped a heatsink before but I'm willing to try (I have the stock AMD cooler as a backup). Do you have a link to a tutorial or anything I could look at?
 
CRXican : Is that the plain aluminum XP-90? I'm also seeing relatively high temps with my OC'ed Sempron - I say relatively because the stock A64 cooler keeps pace with it :eek:
 
I'll join, kinda late but eh.

A64 3400+ (Clawhammer C0) @ 2.5GHz
(11 x 227HTT, 3x LDT, 1.56 vcore)
ThermalTake Big Typhoon :(

DFI LanParty UT nF3 250Gb
 
WhoBeDaPlaya said:
CRXican : Is that the plain aluminum XP-90? I'm also seeing relatively high temps with my OC'ed Sempron - I say relatively because the stock A64 cooler keeps pace with it :eek:
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Yes sir, plain aluminum version. I'm not happy with the temps at all, the CPU was cooler when it was in my Shuttle. Might need some more thermal paste, it's just such a hassle un hooking everything, laying the thing down and getting the heatsink off. Putting it on was scary enough.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
i wouldnt call Borgschulze a novice either.
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I might be 16, but I definetly know what I am doing, I just wish the local computer stores would hire people under 18, they tell me young people are intimidating :rolleyes:

I love the DFI board, it's never given me a problem, just cold boot once or twice... I just hit the reset button a few times and it booted fine though.

I am going to settle with getting an ASRock 939Dual-Sata2 though, as I don't feel the need to upgrade my 6600GT yet.

Also, I am going to order an Opteron 146 for the extra Multiplier.

That ASRock board seems to only hit 300HTT~ so getting the 10x Multiplier gives me a better chance at 3ghz than 9x... IF the CPU will even handle 3ghz, which somehow I doubt it, not with my luck.
 
Borgschulze said:
I might be 16, but I definetly know what I am doing, I just wish the local computer stores would hire people under 18, they tell me young people are intimidating :rolleyes:

I love the DFI board, it's never given me a problem, just cold boot once or twice... I just hit the reset button a few times and it booted fine though.

I am going to settle with getting an ASRock 939Dual-Sata2 though, as I don't feel the need to upgrade my 6600GT yet.

Also, I am going to order an Opteron 146 for the extra Multiplier.

That ASRock board seems to only hit 300HTT~ so getting the 10x Multiplier gives me a better chance at 3ghz than 9x... IF the CPU will even handle 3ghz, which somehow I doubt it, not with my luck.
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i feel your pain, i went for a job at a computer place, the guy ended up being a JERK! so i now work at an electrical supply house, getting a healthy 10 dollars an hour. there are jobs, just look for them, or they mgiht even come looking for you.

the Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 seems to be an excellent motherboard, just be careful with your ram choices, they have like 3 vdimm settings. auto normal and high :rolleyes:

the choice for the 146 is a good one, (cf) and many others are doing good.

what are you gonna be cooling the CPU with?? those chips get HOT HOT HOT! ask any opteron owner, they heat up like the dickens. its due to the High speed transistors, the CABNE's have the most, CABGE have the least and CABYE have a ballance.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
i feel your pain, i went for a job at a computer place, the guy ended up being a JERK! so i now work at an electrical supply house, getting a healthy 10 dollars an hour. there are jobs, just look for them, or they mgiht even come looking for you.

the Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 seems to be an excellent motherboard, just be careful with your ram choices, they have like 3 vdimm settings. auto normal and high :rolleyes:

the choice for the 146 is a good one, (cf) and many others are doing good.

what are you gonna be cooling the CPU with?? those chips get HOT HOT HOT! ask any opteron owner, they heat up like the dickens. its due to the High speed transistors, the CABNE's have the most, CABGE have the least and CABYE have a ballance.
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I'll be using my Zalman of course!

I know about the crappy VDIMM settings... I don't bother overclocking this junk RAM anyways, just tightened it down to 2-3-3 instead of 2.5-3-3...

I want another DFI board but I want to put off buying a new video card... as I am going to get this stuff for christmas.

I had my Motherboard and CPU sold but the guy wouldn't buy it because my board happened to not ship with a Frontplate when I bought it (already had my Zalman so I didn't care), and he made a Heatware account and left me Neutral feedback for something he didn't buy, I hope the Admin's at Heatware will sort that crap out.

So if I can get some stuff sold...
CPU/Motherboard - $175
6600GT - $175
Guitar - $175

That's quite a bit... to buy a new video card later on :) Maybe a nice shiny X1800XT :D
 
Borgschulze said:
I'll be using my Zalman of course!

I know about the crappy VDIMM settings... I don't bother overclocking this junk RAM anyways, just tightened it down to 2-3-3 instead of 2.5-3-3...

I want another DFI board but I want to put off buying a new video card... as I am going to get this stuff for christmas.

I had my Motherboard and CPU sold but the guy wouldn't buy it because my board happened to not ship with a Frontplate when I bought it (already had my Zalman so I didn't care), and he made a Heatware account and left me Neutral feedback for something he didn't buy, I hope the Admin's at Heatware will sort that crap out.

So if I can get some stuff sold...
CPU/Motherboard - $175
6600GT - $175
Guitar - $175

That's quite a bit... to buy a new video card later on :) Maybe a nice shiny X1800XT :D
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i vote for new CPU cooler, they get REALLY hot. like insane, i dunno if the zalman can handle it.

i wish i could just say no and not overclock my ram, but the DFI just screams DONT WASTE MY BIOS OPTIONS!

There is no shame in getting a PCI card for the time being, it happens to the best of us.

The heatware admins will sort that out immediately, he cant do that, he didnt buy it.

and for the video card, 7800GTX 512mb. end of story.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
i vote for new CPU cooler, they get REALLY hot. like insane, i dunno if the zalman can handle it.

i wish i could just say no and not overclock my ram, but the DFI just screams DONT WASTE MY BIOS OPTIONS!

There is no shame in getting a PCI card for the time being, it happens to the best of us.

The heatware admins will sort that out immediately, he cant do that, he didnt buy it.

and for the video card, 7800GTX 512mb. end of story.
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I won't have this stuff sold for a while, and this was my first and hopefully last nVidia card, I hate it.

The Heatware admins already sorted it out and deleted it :)

As for memory overclocking... with the RAM I have it's a big waste of time.
 
aldamon said:
I predict the NF4X will have no difficulties reaching 337 HTT. I tested mine over 300 one afternoon and it was fine.

A good beta BIOS can be found here:

http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Download/bios_download_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=3590&STATUS_FLAG=B&SITE=US
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We ended up settling for 2.4GHz for now. Since his video card is only a 6600, its not like the CPU is the bottleneck.

300x8, 2:3 Divider. Not too easy coaching a novice overclocker over the phone. The limiting factor is the CPU, he has to do 1.475 to stay stable at 2.4GHz. 1.455 is not stable. I didn't want to take him above 1.475 since he is running the stock cooler.
 
Can confirm 300HTT with the Sempy 3400+ on an Abit NV8 (nForce4-4x) at stock HT voltages. Was running 330HTT stably for awhile, but that didn't work so well for my particular RAM/CPU/overclocking config, so I'm sticking with 9x300 for now (all cases LDT=3x).
 
GOOD JOB! sometimes i wish i had just kept my 9600xt, gotten a dfi nf3-250gb, a bluestorm and another 512mb stick of ballistix. stupid redlines and stupid test 6 errors. GURR! who knows, i might end up back at s754 before im done and have a rig that i actually use.
 
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