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Love your socket 754?

ashmedai said:
And the chip better be able to do something substantially better than an overclocked X2 4400+ can.
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Well, look where we got from 754 to 939 :\

It certainly wont be Socket A-> Socket 754, thats for sure. At least at first.
 
ashmedai said:
Anything that can do that ^^ and cost as little as it does is going to be really hard to upstage.

Hopefully by the time I'm looking at M2, DDR2 will be several steps faster and substantially cheaper. And the chip better be able to do something substantially better than an overclocked X2 4400+ can.
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I predict a huge leap in speed in the next 2 years. :D
 
robberbaron said:
Well, look where we got from 754 to 939 :\
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Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking about M2 so far.

Only thing I've seen so far is Pacifica. And I don't see what the bloody point is of adding virtualization technology to a dual core CPU. I'm not going to turn it down, but um, would have been nice EARLIER when Intel was making out over hyperthreading and AMD didn't have a way to compete.
 
ashmedai said:
Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking about M2 so far.

Only thing I've seen so far is Pacifica. And I don't see what the bloody point is of adding virtualization technology to a dual core CPU. I'm not going to turn it down, but um, would have been nice EARLIER when Intel was making out over hyperthreading and AMD didn't have a way to compete.
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The Pacifica is a minivan for one thing.

For another, it allows for two operating systems to be going at once. I think its a lot different than Hyperthreading. How often do you want two instances of Windows XP hogging up your system?
 
You guys have me sold. I've been looking through the thread for a couple of hours now and I'm finally set. I plan on eBaying my IC7-MAX3 / 2.4C combo which should make me around $200. I plan on buying that Chaintech board for $55 but which processor should I buy? I am really leaning towards the 1mb cache on the Clawhammer but specifically, which one? I want to be able to overclock from stock to about...lets say 2.7GHz. I am willing to spend a little bit over my $200 limit to around $220-230 but I'd like to be able to stay under the $200 limit. I also currently own the Corsair PC-4000 XMS Pro which I have heard does not cope well with the Athlon64's because of their high latency. Should I sell this also and pick up a pair of say, TwinMos UTT?
 
LeArN2LiVe said:
You guys have me sold. I've been looking through the thread for a couple of hours now and I'm finally set. I plan on eBaying my IC7-MAX3 / 2.4C combo which should make me around $200. I plan on buying that Chaintech board for $55 but which processor should I buy? I am really leaning towards the 1mb cache on the Clawhammer but specifically, which one? I want to be able to overclock from stock to about...lets say 2.7GHz. I am willing to spend a little bit over my $200 limit to around $220-230 but I'd like to be able to stay under the $200 limit. I also currently own the Corsair PC-4000 XMS Pro which I have heard does not cope well with the Athlon64's because of their high latency. Should I sell this also and pick up a pair of say, TwinMos UTT?
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I'd opt for this personally
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104229

You'll hit around 2.7ghz. It's a RevE chip. It's cache is low but people still report good things with it.

If you REALLY want an A64 though, then this is the best you'll be able to do:
Either
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103444
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103477

I'd reccommend the 3400+ with its 11x because the 9x multi is really prohibitive since Socket 754 cant handle high HTT's very well.

This is a financial middleground:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103442
Only difference is that it will run a bit warmer than the true mobile 3400+.

CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103444 crucial Ballistix pc3200, its a happy medium between TCCD and UTT,
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According to your thread, "happy" is a bit of an understatement ;)
 
Why that over the Claw? I'd think the extra cache would make more difference, and the older memory controller can be dealt with.
 
robberbaron said:
I'd opt for this personally
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104229

You'll hit around 2.7ghz. It's a RevE chip. It's cache is low but people still report good things with it.
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Sempron owns.
The lesser cache isn't noticeable.
Infact my system feels more responsive than my friends 3200+ Winchester and Asus K8V-SE blah blah VIA K8T AGP board...
Wait, more responsive? I meant, way more.
So the lesser cache can't be killing performance much, multitasking is still better than my 1800+ with the same amount of cache.
 
were talking heavily different ammounts of cache, 128 k vs 1024k, thats 8x more cache, im sure that would be noticable.
 
so 3000+ is a no no? I'm looking for a good overclock, but buying the 3400 will raise my cost by a hundred.
 
Also...haven't had these chips myself, but I'm told they overclock about the same and have about the same power clock for clock...so we're talking two parts at the same speed, with a greatly different amount of cache...am I missing anything?

Oh, and they're pretty much the same price, too.
 
ashmedai said:
Also...haven't had these chips myself, but I'm told they overclock about the same and have about the same power clock for clock...so we're talking two parts at the same speed, with a greatly different amount of cache...am I missing anything?

Oh, and they're pretty much the same price, too.
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Yeah, in that regard, the 3000+ DTR sounds good. I forgot to consider price difference between the sempron and 3000+, just the price between the A64's.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
were talking heavily different ammounts of cache, 128 k vs 1024k, thats 8x more cache, im sure that would be noticable.
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Pfft, 4x.. mine has 256k Cache.
 
Robberbaron!! What kind of ram is that? Where can one aquire it? Will I have to sacrifice my firstborn?! :eek:

 
apHytHiaTe said:
Robberbaron!! What kind of ram is that? Where can one aquire it? Will I have to sacrifice my firstborn?! :eek:
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are you talking about the cpu-z that's in his sig? that's twinmosSP, CH style
 
damn you guys i really want a s754, but i keep seeing venice or an X2 with an ultra-d board...arr...
 
Qwertyman said:
damn you guys i really want a s754, but i keep seeing venice or an X2 with an ultra-d board...arr...
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bwahahaha! convert you we will :p
though, if you really want dual core.. just go s939. it's hard to argue against two cores in one socket.



ATIIsBetter said:
Was this whole s754 club thing expected to go over so well?
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no.. it was a random thing that baron and i started (more him than myself though). i told ccu and tsue, then boom! a thread was made, and now we have this sticky :p
 
And I am so proud to be here. I dream of S754 almost every night.

Man, I need to get out and do more. :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
bwahahaha! convert you we will :p
though, if you really want dual core.. just go s939. it's hard to argue against two cores in one socket.




no.. it was a random thing that baron and i started (more him than myself though). i told ccu and tsue, then boom! a thread was made, and now we have this sticky :p
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well this will probably answer my question, spend about a thousand for a new x2, mobo, and video card or get an venice 3000+ overclock it with an agp socket, or get a s754 overclock that or go back to the venice 3000+ but wait for the new pci-e ati cores....this sucks. damn competitive marketing.
 
that is indeed an problem :p

i think i'd hold off about a month or two before making any decisions. the real problem is M2.. if you could hold out that long, go for it, but that's not really practical :p
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
that is indeed an problem :p

i think i'd hold off about a month or two before making any decisions. the real problem is M2.. if you could hold out that long, go for it, but that's not really practical :p
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what is that q2 2006? M2 is going to be leaps and bounds over s939?

Yea i'll just wait around i guess.
 
M2 is gonna be amd's new socket for dual cores, its gonna have something like 1100 or 1200 pins. its gonna be PRICY! but like with everything, the prices will fall, its not really worth it now imo, but i guess you could hold out. that 2.4c of yours doesnt really seem up to the challenge though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowI...IA nForce3 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail notice anything funny?? look at the tiny sticker, EVGA is stupid, id never buy one of there mobos, but i might buy one of their graphics cards.
 
ohh evga, what are we gonna do with you. dont you feel liek sometimes a company should stay in one field? like graphics cards or mobos?
 
seem like Evga favored nvidia's product like nforce 2, 3, 4, or w/e and nvidia gpu. So they didn't bother to try out the mobo with nvidia's prodcut. :rolleyes:
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
M2 is gonna be amd's new socket for dual cores, its gonna have something like 1100 or 1200 pins.
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More like exactly 940 pins but ok.

The 1207 pin socket you're thinking of will be on the next-gen Opteron 2xx and 8xx. Opteron 1xx will be on Socket 939 and probably M2.
 
robberbaron said:
More like exactly 940 pins but ok.

The 1207 pin socket you're thinking of will be on the next-gen Opteron 2xx and 8xx. Opteron 1xx will be on Socket 939 and probably M2.
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QUE EFF TEE. (QFT :p)
 
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