That data might as well be lost if it was needed for a time sensitive project/submission and it was not available at the time it was needed.
Windows 10 is the new "Dog that Ate My Homework."
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Windows 10 is the new "Dog that Ate My Homework."
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Yeah, nvidia support on Linux is pretty good, but the installer is a PITA. The ArchLinux package makes it pretty simple, if you can get through the initial system install. Ubuntu had an easy binary driver installer, not sure if they still do. Fedora is more strict about non-free software, so you have to jump through some hoops for that sort of stuff.
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Honestly though, if your nvidia card is supported by the oss driver, you should install that. It's much easier to get working, and performance is decent.
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Windows 10 has pushed many people to at least try Linux, myself included. Never hurts to look at your options.
Whats this system32 crap ?
Googe >>>> "Is XXXX.dll Safe" lol insert legit windows .dll and I bet every single one has millions of hits on that exact search.
I'm sure
/etc makes so much less sense.
WTF HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE ??? HKEY_CLASS_ROOT ??? Type REG_SZ say what.
Yes that is much more logical then
/var
or
/home/.config
Linux isn't really Cryptic... Windows is extremely cryptic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
Linux follows a easy to understand hierarchy... and it is also used by Unix / BSD / MacOS (mostly)
Windows is the outlier, and its a hot mess if everyone is honest... it may be a mess your famillier with but its still a mess.
dgingeri
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Windows 10 doesn't either, unless you keep putting off installing the updates. After waiting so long, then it forces the dumbasses to reboot whether they want to or not, just to keep their dumbasses out of major trouble.
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Fedora's policy regarding non-free software: No dice (unless it's firmware).
The unix file system is one of the few that you do not need a search function to use. All files are in the appropriate place and I can find anything in them.
Its a real file system for an OS where everything is where it should be.
Your various user friendly systems aren't. They lay crap over them to make life simple for idiots. lets face it, idiots make up a vast majority of computer users its true so these kludges have use. A *nix expecets that you are not just another idiot, if you are, its not for you.
ROTFLMFAO. Umm this is fun. I run Stalker in DX11 in wine on my Slackware64 14.2 Lunix Disturbation and it runs better than windose 10. My Steam games run very well too and I seldom enter windose for anything these days.
I left windose at NT 4, as 3.51 would do what I wanted, and NT 4 was a POS that fought with me. Linux has always done just what I told it to do, although living as root is frowned upon is civilized places. Slackware is Bob's Church of the Subgenius and civilized notions are thought less of here.
I'm not sure I approve of all this simplification of the best *nix, but no one pays much attention to me.
Statements in red directly contradict each other.
By your admission, you have no experience with Windows past NT 3.5, but somehow know that Stalker runs better on Linux than Windows 10?
dgingeri
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I am still trying. My adventures at installing the Nvidia drivers was this past weekend, since I received my 750Ti on Wednesday. I haven't given up yet, I'm just very frustrated at my lack of being able to do anything with it despite spending most of my weekend working on it.
I found the Fedora Games "spin" from honestly trying to find a good Linux distro for gaming. Most of the search results in Google gave me a list, but the only one still operating besides SteamOS was Fedora Games. So, I gave it a try. Ubuntu wouldn't install on my machine no matter what I did. My test machine is a Core i7 4930k, 32GB of memory, an Asus P9X79-E WS motherboard, (it's my old VM host I just retired in favor of a Ryzen) and a 500GB 840 EVO boot drive. I think there is just something about the WS bios that doesn't like the Ubuntu installer, or perhaps it doesn't like booting from the flash drives I am using. I actually started with Ubuntu 18.04. It only boots the installer about one time in three, and then doesn't see a drive to install to.
Good for this guy, I am a little envious of people who's work can be done cross platform like that, Linux is coming along hopefully in another 5 or so years I can make the switch as well.
Side note at work I am currently decommissioning our last Linux servers, the software they are running is no longer supported and they are currently migrating us instead to Microsoft SQL and IIS.
Side note at work I am currently decommissioning our last Linux servers, the software they are running is no longer supported and they are currently migrating us instead to Microsoft SQL and IIS.
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I saw a whole bunch of "many kernel developers consider this driver to violate the GPL license" lines in that. Those bastard purists who hate anything commercial are what's mostly holding Linux back. They just seem to refuse to see that people need to make money to live, and those who work harder than most deserve more reward for it.
Oh lord, where do you idiots come from. I left using windose as a useful server. I ran servers on 3.51 and would not on 4.0.
I have had a windose install for games mostly. ever since 3.1. I got them to give me win 10 although it took a bit of convincing, I don't actually buy windose installs.
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Hmm, may have to blacklist the nouveau kernel module. Should be able to do it from the installer boot menu using one of these, (just hit tab or 'e' when the menu pops up to edit the boot command line) and then permanently once it's installed by following these instructions.
I wouldn't go that far, but it is frustrating. Thankfully there are alternatives, though they have their own issues.
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Alright tell me how you want me to reword it.
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You got caught up in your own lies. Deal with it.
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Technically, I'd say he lost the time it took to copy the data, as well as any data that had made it to the destination drive (but not the data on the source drive unless it was a destructive copy). Iow, it still exists on the source drive, but the operation needed to be restarted and any data that had made it to the destination was useless because it was an incomplete write.
Honestly, I always thought Windows was better than this at waiting until all write operations were finished before rebooting, but I guess they regressed in this regard.
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To be fair Win 10 does usually warn you before it will reboot. I had it pop up and ask me if it could reboot while i was in the middle of something, (on multiple occasions) and I told it to back off. I know there is a setting to change that says always ask before rebooting as well.
Windows 10 is a cluster for sure but i enjoy it for the most part. I don't use it for work or anything like that. Its just my home PC for internet and gaming once and a while.
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1.) I'm all for Linux use. Its a safer and more reliable alternative OS.
2.) There are drawbacks. Not everyone is happy with the "workalike" free software available on linux, and demand the original adobe/ms office/whatever software. Linux probably isnt for them.
3.) Forget gaming on Linux. Native titles are still few and far between, even after Valve's push, and even when native titles exist, they usally run slower with worse IQ than under Windows. Using wine to run Windows titles under Linux is a shitshow and kills performance. Not worth it IMHO.
4.) Best way to do it is just to keep productivity/browsing in linux and dual boot to Windows for games. With today's super fast NVMe SSD's it really doesn't take that long to boot.
5.) I don't like snaps. I like my apt package manager. We don't need yet another software distribution system. Apt is already there and it works well.
6.) There is no need to have some sort of operating system Battle Royale arguing which is better. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. Use what you like, and let others use whatever they like and shut up about it already.
2.) There are drawbacks. Not everyone is happy with the "workalike" free software available on linux, and demand the original adobe/ms office/whatever software. Linux probably isnt for them.
3.) Forget gaming on Linux. Native titles are still few and far between, even after Valve's push, and even when native titles exist, they usally run slower with worse IQ than under Windows. Using wine to run Windows titles under Linux is a shitshow and kills performance. Not worth it IMHO.
4.) Best way to do it is just to keep productivity/browsing in linux and dual boot to Windows for games. With today's super fast NVMe SSD's it really doesn't take that long to boot.
5.) I don't like snaps. I like my apt package manager. We don't need yet another software distribution system. Apt is already there and it works well.
6.) There is no need to have some sort of operating system Battle Royale arguing which is better. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. Use what you like, and let others use whatever they like and shut up about it already.
But the filesystem hierarchy is not strictly adhered to, so where something exists in BSD will be different than where it exists in Debian will be different than where it exists in SUSE will be different than where it exists in OSX.
The "cryptic" stuff you are mentioning about Windows are all stuff that is supposed to be hidden from the average user, but for *nix style OS's, you can't get away from the "cryptic" stuff for basic setup or even in some cases daily normal use, unless it is OSX.
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Interesting. I've never used fedora, but my Ubuntu and Mint installs automatically install the drivers via the package manager.
I'm not a programmer, and I find managing Ubuntu servers way easier than managing a Windows server. I hate hunting and pecking through a multiple tab GUI menu looking for the setting I was trying to find, when I could just configure shit simply by editing a commented text settings file.
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I don't usually reply to these posts without first reading the entire thread, as I am sure this has already been replied to.
You didn't put enough effort in if you couldn't find 3D games to natively run in Linux. There are thousands on Steam alone. As far as WINE is concerned, I have had nothing but success with it. WINE will even tell you if you are missing something to play a specific game and then download it for you.
WINE has come a LOOOOONG way in the last few years. I don't think you tried whatsoever.
Back to the OP: As far as the notebook they chose, it was cherry picked for sure. I won't say it was built with Linux in mind, but it was. So you won't have the hardware vendor issues that I find are one of Linux's main downfalls.
Windows way is much clearer.
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We're exactly the opposite on that. I find Windows much easier, as I can find everything I need immediately instead o having that "wide open" Linux command line and trying to remember the command and switches with no hints about what to use other than a man page that's drier and harder to read than an old encyclopedia. The GUI tabs give me exactly the hits to what I need to configure whatever it is without having to hunt or look things up most of the time. In addition, hunting through config files in Linux is hell on my eyes while I can just go right to the right place in the Windows registry with no problems. What I find even better is that 80% of other Microsoft programs follow the same logic, so, except for a few off base items, I can figure out how to configure or run any Microsoft program in seconds. With Linux, most of the programs are an entirely different set of logic from any others, with different switches and different context, and everything requires tons of extra memorization, which my memory just can't do anymore. With Windows, every new version takes me less than 30 seconds to figure out the new locations of certain things, while when a Linux distro changes something, I have weeks of memorization to figure out what I need to do for the same thing I just did.
I can do 99% of my job in 1% of the time in Windows compared to doing the same with Linux. A DNS entry in Windows takes me 30 seconds while it takes me 20 minutes in Linux, mostly just trying to remember where to find the darn zone files. Windows is second nature to me after 25 years with it.
lol - yeah, he may have lost some time from an update reboot (which, let's be frank, are pretty easy to deal with these days - it's not like Window 10 and updates are a new subject) but I hope he's tracking the time from each little "exception" he will run into in getting Linux to be productive day to day.
I'm not saying Windows is perfect. No operating system is. I think it's silly to trade one set of compromises for a whole different set while not addressing all of them in totality.
I wish him luck. All the desktop Linux people luck, actually. It would be nice to have some choice in OS's to game on. But call me crazy - when I do get some free time I'd rather game on actual games then playing the "get my machine to run the game" game. I waste enough time troubleshooting the occasional Windows or Steam weirdness as it is, without trying to shohorn Windows software into Linux or a Windows VM (what the actual fuck? Seriously?)
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Sounds like most of your problem is you just don't use Linux enough to be familiar with it.
Same thing with the GUI in windows. It can take a while to click through all the gui menus.
Meanwhile I can change the DNS in my Ubuntu servers in seconds. I just use my favorite text editor to edit /etc/network/interfaces, in which the re is a plain text line for DNS, and I can edit the IP.
If I want to change it in a running instance I can just use the Ifconfig command. If I forget the syntax, --help gives me a summary 99% of the time.
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With that much horsepower, use Gentoo!
You'll have all the control you need to get what you want working but there's a bit more CUI going on than the average gaming distro.
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Oh, well, I was talking about managing a DNS server, not the DNS setting on a network config. (The DNS setitng onthe network config isn't any big deal on either.)
BIND9 keeps the zone files in the most esoteric and illogical directory structure I have ever encountered, and it takes forever just to find the right directory to edit the right zone. Then hunt through the file to get the change put in the right line, in the right format, and making sure to end the line with a '.'. Then the zone file has to be changed in other ways in case there are other servers caching it and need to know it is a new update or the same old version. Then, on top of that, the bind service has to be restarted.
With Windows, it's just starting the DNS panel, right click, new host, enter the name and IP, and then done. Literally, less than 30 seconds, and frequently less than 15.
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Glad to see so much Linux discussion here. Gaming on Linux has been accelerating in the past several years for a number of reasons, pushing closer to a parity "Reasonable chance you'll get the same experience on Linux as on Windows, no matter the game" experience. For instance, DXVK has made it so that newer titles can be played immediately via WINE rather than having to wait nearly as long as it would take for those that rely on newer proprietary DX extensions, such as GTA V shown above. Other factors include the dedicated Linux community who help in development across the board from major companies like Valve and Canonical down to individual devs and their FLOSS projects, while others advocate for and request native Linux versions of many upcoming titles and ports of released ones.
I certainly attempt to do my part across the board, from personally running Linux and donating to projects of note (my own development skills I consider them amateurish at best), to always including it in my reviews and advise, be it for selecting hardware well supported under Linux, picking software that is ethical as well as functional for your needs, or discussing it in the context of gaming. In a nation where there is insufficient protection for privacy and anonymity under the law and continual assault from the private sector to vacuum up and monetize any data they can attain , Linux (and free/libre open source software in general, used properly) provides both a technical and symbolic benefit. If you have any questions or have any requests, just let me know!
I certainly attempt to do my part across the board, from personally running Linux and donating to projects of note (my own development skills I consider them amateurish at best), to always including it in my reviews and advise, be it for selecting hardware well supported under Linux, picking software that is ethical as well as functional for your needs, or discussing it in the context of gaming. In a nation where there is insufficient protection for privacy and anonymity under the law and continual assault from the private sector to vacuum up and monetize any data they can attain , Linux (and free/libre open source software in general, used properly) provides both a technical and symbolic benefit. If you have any questions or have any requests, just let me know!
I have had next to no issues running steam native games or most titles under WINE that I like. Go download Lutris, it's a helper for installing games under WINE.
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One takeaway from this, for me, is I didn't even know DXVK was a thing. Really changes how I do things, I think.
For arch use either ArcoLinux, Antergos or Anarchy, those are all arch based. Oh and Manjaro but it's a bit on the heavy side.
I have never lost data from this. But I did almost fail a test because of it. Rebooted right in the middle of compiling a matlab project on a timed test, no warning or explanation given. It's an incredibly common problem in the schools now. 2 hours to write and compile a piece of working code, or project and boom, you be fuxed. Hope you were spamming that save button!
I am not even a hardcore linux shrill, and even I feel obligated to post this...
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Just to throw it out there alongside the OP barbeque, I initially couldn't get Steam to work with a Ubuntu Budgie build- also not entirely sure what I did to get it working after the fact either, but it does work now, with an Nvidia GPU.
Worst part is that it wouldn't fail with a decent error message.
And the hardcore shills wonder why the rest of the computer world finds them obnoxious...
I personally have no issue with Linux-you use it, more power to you.
Any particular reason that you can't extent the same courtesy, but instead have to come off as an ass?
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Yikes. 14 years ago.
And it still pretty much holds true.
What's with these updates people keep getting interrupted by that never happen to me, it's it because I use pro instead of home?
And bluescreens, all bluescreens I have gotten on windows 10 were my fault.